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  1. Mr Ares: If I understand you well, you contend that Rake's plan was to: Kill Dassem, so that he could be used in delaying chaos, while he waited for Brood to arrive and destroy the sword. Once Brood arrived, Rake would go inside the sword as well. So he challenged Dassem, with that goal in mind. Now, into the fight, Rake realized he was outclassed. Dassem was too good, Rake would not be able to kill him. And so he decided to salvage something, by entering Dragnipur (but, according to you, sooner than he had planned to). You see nothing wrong with that? Here: Just after Rake killed Hood: Consider the state in which sending Hood into the sword left Rake in. You would have me believe that he would be stupid enough to try and put another god inside there? What would that do to him? He has limits, you know. It would either kill him, or leave him so weakened he wouldn't be able to lift a hand to defend himself. Which would foil his goal (entering the sword). Seeing as Brood was not yet there, Dragnipur would be taken by something else. Furthermore, of all gods in the world, Rake had to go and pick the very one who would do anything to kill Hood? The latter who, yes, you saw it coming, had JUST been sent into the sword? What do you think Dassem would do the instant he saw Hood? Go for his throat, that's what. Rake needed an intact Hood inside there, and he knew Dassem wanted to kill Hood. Why would he risk compromising his plan by sending Dassem into the very same place Hood was? That would be insane. Plus, Dassem would most likely be so preoccupied with Hood he wouldn't spare chaos' army a moment. Additionally, unless Dassem is more powerful than Hood and his army, he would not have accomplished much. They were getting choped into pieces. No single force can repulse chaos. Hood and his army were there just to delay it until Rake arrived, and they both knew this. And it's clear from the conversation between Draconus and Hood that the latter was not expecting Dassem there. No, he was waiting for Rake to arrive. That was the plan. And from what is in the book, it worked; Rake arrived when expected to. But nowhere in the book do we even get a hint that that plan included Dassem being inside the sword. But you're saying Rake had to have intended to kill Dassem because otherwise he wouldn't have even challenged him. Because (according to you) killing himself or handing the sword to Dassem to do the job are preferable options to a random fight he didn't even intend to win. Now this might be me, but Rake doesn't strike me as the suicidal type. Still, if indeed suicide/killing himself is a better/easier option, why didn't he do it? I don't know, and I can only surmise that there is a reason for it. After all, why would he take the complicated way out when there is an easier one? The same goes for asking Dassem to do it. Why would Dassem accept to kill Rake, even if the latter asked him to? He would need some sort of explanation, an explanation Rake was not willing to give. What's more, Dassem could feel Hood close-by, and he also knew Rake would stand in his way. How do you think he would have reacted had he found out that Rake had just killed the object of his vengeance? Me thinks it wouldn't have helped Rake in anyway. And however you choose to see it, Dassem was OBSESSED with killing Hood. He might not be mad, but his obsession was a fell thing. Surely there are better reasons to keep going? And I don't buy for an instant that he would have settled for just wounding Rake so long as it got him out of the way. Rake is not the type of person just that would stop. Plus, Dassem should know (even if just by reputation) that Rake is not the type of swordman you hold back with, irrespective of whether you have another engagement afterwards. He couldn't afford to hold back, seeing as that might just get him killed. Yes Rake was always burdened by the sword, but at that time there was more than just the usual. You can't ignore that. I might have been wrong in assuming that because he didn't want to kill Dassem he held a tiny bit back. As it is, he probably gave all he had. WHILE under more strain than usual, and he matched Dassem's skill and speed. That leads me to think that without the toll Hood and his army placed on him, Rake would have more than matched Dassem. All I can do about why the fight took place at all is speculate. I don't know the real reason. But it could be as simple as this: Dassem was driven to find Hood. He would clear any obstacle from his path. Hood was needed elsewhere. It was necessary that Dassem did not find that out. The planners directed Dassem's attention to Rake, counting on his obsession to try to get Rake out of the way. Which he did, and Rake used it to his advantage. In fact I might go as far as saying that Rake had counted on that. Before they fought Dassem was already resigned to the fact that he would have to fight Rake. Hell, it could be that SE wanted it to happen. But I don't buy that Rake needed Dassem inside Dragnipur to delay chaos. That doesn't make sense, what with Hood and his army already doing that, and the enmity between Dassem and Hood.
  2. Yes, about the book, that's why I wondered before whether it should be moved somewhere else. Maj? No, about him taking them, as much as I like Rand, they would...pwn him.
  3. Anyone who hasn't read the Malazan Book of the Fallen should not read this. Was it? Yes. That final blow, that assured Rake to enter Dragnipur. How is that not clear? Nor did Rake gain any ground on Dassem. It wasn't a long fight. My point being, if Dassem was superior, he should have been driving [a burdened] Rake back. Only because he was in the way. He wanted Hood. Rake was between them, so if Rake wouldn't move, Dassem would go through him It doesn't matter why. That he wanted to kill him is enough. A fighter's intentions should come into play during a fight. If I fight with the intention of just incapacitating you, I will hold something back, while I will go all out if I need to kill you. But in no way am I saying there is a league between Dassem and Rake. I believe they are almost evenly matched, with Rake holding the edge. Wasn't it? I'm gonna go ahead and ask you whether you read the books. What would have Rake accomplished by killing Dassem? Nothing. They are not enemies. He provoked him, Dassem responded, which is what Rake needed. They fought. That final blow was the important thing there, what Rake was aiming at, but I can't fault him if he wanted to have fun along the way. Thus reducing his chances of winning. Thus increasing his chances of needing to be sure he lost in the correct way. Hence throwing the fight so early. You are skirting the issue. Burdened as he was, Rake held Dassem (in prime condition) back to a stalemate. Now imagine Rake without Dragnipur's pressure weighing him down, using a sword like Vengeance, without any added burden, and fighting with the intention to kill Dassem to boot. He would win. And the fight wasn't as short as you seem to believe. Rake couldn't win. If he realized he was incapable of winning, he would make sure he salvaged something from the loss. You've got it backwards. He didn't need to salvage anything, entering Dragnipur was not a secondary goal he could settle for if he couldn't win. It was his MAIN objective. Dassem was the one driven to kill (therefore win), not Rake. He wanted him to attack, so he forced his hand. Dassem attacked. Rake couldn't win, so he made sure he lost in the right way. If he never intended to win, why did he start the fight in the first place? There were other ways out. What was so important about destroying Dassem? He was left a broken man, robbed of what had kept him going, left with nothing. Is Rake just a complete arsehole, or was there another reason? Such as engage, if you can win, do, if you can't, lose in the right way. Dassem won. He beat Rake. Dessembrae defeated the Black-Winged Lord. Of course, that could just be me wanting to make an Erikson book make sense, but it's the best theory I'm aware of. Rake wanted to either kill Dassem, or lose in the way he did. After the initial engagement, he didn't fancy his chances at victory, so made sure he lost in the way he wanted to. Not to be condescending, but read Toll the Hounds again. You are treating this as a duel, which it was NOT. Where on earth (or should I say Wu) do you get the idea that Rake wanted to win? To kill Dassem? If he is not planning to win then he shouldn't fight all? This is not a black and white thing. Plans were made long before the fight, plans that involved Rake sending Hood into Dragnipur, and then Rake himself ending there. That was the PLAN, the important bit being Rake inside Dragnipur. What other means are there to accomplish that? Rake impaling himself on Dragnipur in his basement? Handing it to someone else and asking him to cut his head off? For whatever reason, he didn't choose any of those options (assuming they were available). But we know Hood wanted to be relieved of his functions, and the situation inside Dragnipur was dangerous (which Rake needed to address), so a plan was fashioned that combined all of that. What kept Dassem going was an obsession, and that's not healthy. He will probably play an important role in events to come, and I've seen it theorized that Hood and the others wanted him with his full mind, clear of the obsession. Killing someone he respected might jolt him back from his insanity, as he realized to what lengths he was willing to go just to satisfy his obsessive need. Perhaps that's why he needed to be broken, why him fighting Rake was needed. And maybe Rake wanted to, for his last fight, face one of the best there is. Who knows? Or have him guard Dragnipur against nasty creatures that would come looking for it?
  4. *Cough*Dassem Ultor*cough* Also, I think Mok or the Soldier/Knight of Death could take him.Rake allowed Dassem to... do what he did. It's not because he's better.Well, Dassem still beat Rake, didn't he? And the mere fact that he threw the fight doesn't prove that he would have won regardless. In fact, that he might otherwise have lost would give him the incentive to lose on his terms. You do remember that the whole point of the fight was to get Dassem to beat Rake in that manner, right? That not once did Dassem manage to drive him even a step back? That Dassem intended to kill him? That killing Dassem was not Rake's intention? That Dragnipur was something of, er, shall we say, a burden? Rake couldn't even stand a minute before the fight (you know why), wielding that sword is not the easiest thing. Rake's aim was not to win, so I fail to see how the possibility of him losing might prompt him to 'lose on his terms'. He wanted to manipulate Dassem into doing what he did. And he did it. If you want to claim that Dassem won, go ahead. It doesn't change the fact that all went according to Rake's plan. Edit: it was not my intention to derail this thread, maybe this should be moved somewhere else, I don't know.
  5. Slightly unrelated but itchy nonetheless: *Cough*Dassem Ultor*cough* Also, I think Mok or the Soldier/Knight of Death could take him. Rake allowed Dassem to... do what he did. It's not because he's better. Feels better now.
  6. It's a possibility there was a bit more than Mat's experience with a staff. Wasn't he using a staff when he, later on, fought a High Lord in the Stone? IIRC, the guy stumped Mat. I get the feeling that Galad and Gawyn were not too serious about the whole thing. In any case though, my money would be on a guy using a staff if he faced a swordsman. Unless that swordsman is fighting with two swords.
  7. While the description is indeed similar to balefire's, I never thought it was it, mainly because of the fact that in every instance we've seen balefire used it always originate from the channeler. I think LTT wanted to kill himself. He could have simply drawn too much of the Power and burst from it (like in Aginor's case), or thrown himself off a cliff, but I believe he felt so guilty for what he had done he wanted a fitting punishment (in some twisted way). Thus he called that whatever-it-was from the sky, as powerful as he could form it, and literally, utterly obliterated himself from the face of the earth. IMHO anyway ;D
  8. Faile is a hypocrite. She had lived in the Two Rivers for some time, and knew something of their culture (men don't yell at women, unless they want to spend the night outside), and she knew that usually Perrin is a gentle man, not given to shouting at people, most especially those he cares about. Considering Perrin knew nothing (at that time) about Saldean (sp) women wanting, no, needing to be shouted at, I'm forced to conclude that she Failed ;) to convey that specific element of her culture, and instead expected him somehow to figure it out. Typical. How hard would it have been to put her jealousy aside, and put herself in his shoes for an instant, and see his actions for what they were? She had some perspective to go by. I wonder why she's so insecure. Hmm... her big nose?
  9. Mild in the Power compared to the other Chosen? Where did you get such an idea? Graendal states that men stronger than her are rare, women even more so. This just after realizing that Cyndane is stronger than her. I believe Cyndane still is the most powerful female Forsaken, and one of the strongest women in the world (that we see). I would say that Lanfear, Cyndane (if one considers them as two separate strengths), Alivia, and Sharina are in a league of their own, with Lanfear (former strength) being the strongest, and Cyndane (today's strength) the weakest. But all this is pure conjecture, of course ;)
  10. Bright blue eyes, inky black hair, very tall, the descriptions from Rand and Moghedien match. Moghedien had first hand evidence that Moridin used the True Power, Rand didn't feel anything when the 'wanderer' channelled. If it's not the True Power, it would have to be most likely saidin, but then someone would have to explain why the 'wanderer' needed to hide that he can channel (Rand didn't feel him holding saidin), but then go on right there and channel (thus revealing that he can channel). As to why Moridin would aid Rand to kill Sammael, I get the feeling that Moridin plays a game that is beyond even those of his fellow Chosen. I believe he alone really has the Dark One's ideals at heart, the others are merely after power. The Dark One's plans involve letting Rand live, Sammael was eagerly trying to do the opposite, therefore Moridin felt he needed to be removed from the game.
  11. The thing is, from Moridin's very brief description, he steps outside the Pattern (to where, by the way?). Just speculating, but it would follow then that he would step back into the Pattern. Unless it's not literal, there is the motion of actual, physical stepping wherever it is he did strongly implied. Now, I don't know what a person coming back into the Pattern looks like; but the coalescing or solidifying bit sounds quite different.
  12. When Rand faced Bel'al he went on (kinda boasting) about how he was not afraid of a Forsaken, seeing he had faced Ba'alzamon, the Dark One himself (that's what Rand believed). Bel'al reacts kind of like 'Really, you truly know nothing'. IIRC, after killing what he believed to be the Dark One, Rand thinks [wrongly] that he has won the Last Battle, but Moiraine bursts his bubble, pointing out that the Dark One would not leave merely a human body.
  13. What I get is, Cadsuane's toys have become part of who she is (whether she realises it or not), and she relies on them perhpas too much. Consider a hypothetical situation like this: Cadsuane pushes Taim's buttons (the way she does with Rand). Unlike Rand, he has no qualms about killing women (especially Aes Sedai, I would say), and he strikes me as someone who angers quickly. He would be in for a surprise if he channeled at Cadsuane, of course. The point being, she would not push his buttons without her set, because she knows she would not be able to stand up to Taim if she angered him to the point of lashing out with the Power (something Rand almost did, and he is more reasonable than Taim). I did mention Lan and Rand somewhere as a crude analogy. They are deadly warriors, with and without a sword (channeling aside). Galad is deadly with a sword as well, but how would he fare without one? The point is, Cadsuane relies on her strength of will and her channeling abilities (ergo her toys) all meshed up together, at least IMO. Remove the toys, and the channeling and you have Cadsuane 1.0, not so impressive as Cadsuane 2.0 With Sorilea, it's sheer strength of character, no channeling involved, and she is easily Cadsuane 2.0's equal and more IMHO.
  14. I remember counting chapters, waiting for the moment I would get to read about Rand, and it's not funny when, after reading two chapters on Elayne, you turn the page and behold, you are treated with another chapter of hers, followed by three more on Egg-head, with Faile after that. I mean, Rand is the freakin' Dragon Reborn, the books are supposed to be about him, and even if he is recuperating, we could get to see something about him or his plans, I don't know. And when you get to read about him (halfway through the book or after), you get one or two chapters, and then it's back to Egg-head. By now it should be obvious Rand is my favourite character. His absence is actually what made me turn to Mat as the next favourite character. I read somewhere that Randland is supposed to be gender-balanced, but how could that be true? And it so happens that Mat is often on the receiving end of some annoying behaviour (I agree with the ones mentioned here). Particularly when those Sisters were channeling on him, 'studying' his medallion. My frustration and anger at them exceeded his. Or, and this depends on one's interpretation, when Tylin forces him to have sex with her (with a knife to his throat, if you please). Rape or not, (this is not the issue I'm raising, please), it's unacceptable. At the beginning I thought Rand was god-like (and I didn't mind, to be honest, I was still caught up with superheroes), then I quickly realised that R.J.'s characters are nothing like that, they are humans, which renders the whole thing more realistic IMHO. But then he introduced Cadsuane.
  15. I never understood Cadsuane's extreme firmness about balefire. Oh, I know it's dangerous, and Rand certainly knows it, but some situations seem to call for it. For instance, if Rand had not balefired those hounds, Mat would most likely have died. I can't think of any other weave that could have saved them. What if such situation arises again? Has Rand ever used it again since Cadsuane slapped him?
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