Death in the Artic - Mafia Game!

[Kryos]

Well, at least one person has faith in me. I suppose that is something at least. And to be honest, to an extent yes one would inherently want to go with someone with skill in the game to be captain, but is that necessarily an important feature to go with? I know a lot of people have never seen me play, but that's part of the problem here. You don't want to judge someone from their past experiences, for this moment could be the best of their life. At this point with what little I've read, I definitely don't trust FDM at this moment, so I'd request people not to vote for FDM. And it is mainly due to the same reasons Vemy said I wouldn't be a good person to vote for as in accepting to be voted as captain and such. I honestly think some people though need to take a step back and look at what is before them. Do not judge someone by games you've played with them. Yes, we all do that with Vemy in not wanting to vote for him as captain, so that statement before does in a way make me a hypocrite, but then again, he doesn't want to be captain so it's more or less a null and void in the end. And because I don't trust FDM, I'm going to go ahead and cast a vote at this time.

 

[glow=red,2,300]Kryos[/glow]

 

Why me? Well, I trust me obviously, and I'd like to be trusted as well, and the only way one shines and gets better is by being put on the spot and take chances of their own, which is what I'm doing at this time. I want to be able to prove to all the nonbelievers out there that I can hold my own, and this is my way of doing it. Never judge a book by its cover, for if that were the case, I'd never have read some extremely good books, one of them being The Eye of the World, and we all know where that stands.

[Alys Kinch]

My position pertains to the past. If I know you are good enough to make me doubt constantly, I said no. If I know that you are wishy-washy, I said no. If I know that I can't trust your logic, I said no. If I thought that you were at least decent at all of those, I said maybe or yes.

[Toy and Minion]

Well, I'm glad no one trusts me as captain!  I be captain of on'y one ship!  Mine!  Argh!

 

Okay, now, this is interesting.  Do we really need a captain?  Think about it.  Who are the baddies gonna go after almost right away?  The Captain.  He basically has a target painted on his back.

 

Then again, it seems to be an important asset to us innocents.  Hmmm...  I'll have to think on it.

[Guest Far Dareis Mai]

Hey Kyros, I'm a bit confused by your post. I'm interpreting some of the things you are saying as glaring contradictions.

 

First:

I'm sure the captain will die the first night if nothing else, which dying isn't anything new to me, so if you wish it, I'll take the captain spot. I highly don't want it,

And then:

Why me? Well, I trust me obviously, and I'd like to be trusted as well, and the only way one shines and gets better is by being put on the spot and take chances of their own, which is what I'm doing at this time. I want to be able to prove to all the nonbelievers out there that I can hold my own, and this is my way of doing it.

 

Just so I'm clear...you REALLY don't want the job....but now you are saying that this is some way to prove yourself?? So I guess in effect you REALLY do want the job? Or do you just want the job because someone else said they were willing to take it...

 

Since no one seems to be jumping at the opportunity, and I'm not either, someone has to do it, and in my opinion, someone has to keep Vemy from that spot at the time being

This kind of goes along with what I mentioned before... it just seems to me you said you would take it if no one else wanted it, because Light knew you certainly don't want it...but then as soon as someone put themselves up for it, you immediately say you are suspect of them, and vote for yourself. All of a sudden you really want it, and this is so important to you, etc.

 

You don't want to judge someone from their past experiences, for this moment could be the best of their life.

I seriously don't mean to be so argumentative, but I really disagree with this. In a position such as this, and what it can mean for the game; you most absolutely don't want to put someone up there you don't trust, or don't respect as a player. You also don't want to put someone up there that flies off the handle, or likes to just place votes for the heck of it. You most absolutely WANT to take their past experiences into account, because if you don't, you are only going to shoot yourself in the foot. And I believe what Vemy said was that he'd take the job, but he doesn't want it if nobody wants him to have it. There is a difference. ;)

 

At this point with what little I've read, I definitely don't trust FDM at this moment

Would you mind justifying this with some hard evidence? I'd like to know what I've done thus far to set off alarm gongs in anyone's head.

 

Again, I want someone who is going to use valid reasoning and viable proof before they start throwing two votes around as captain. I don't know you, I'm not going to vote you.

 

Never judge a book by its cover, for if that were the case, I'd never have read some extremely good books, one of them being The Eye of the World, and we all know where that stands.

Pomp and Circumstance :D

People I'm willing to support:

Danya

Talya

Leelou

 

Reasons: The first two never/rarely throw out the first votes, and these players rarely close votes. These players rarely (if ever) lose their cool, and they always justify their votes and their suspicions, which is something I HIGHLY respect in a player. With Leelou, I think she is willing to take it, and I'm willing to give her the chance. She doesn't strike me as a hothead.

 

Why I'm against Kryos: Initially it was because I didn't even know him at all..like I had never even seen his handle at DM before the signups. But because of his avid stance of casting suspicion on me without any sort of evidence as to why I made him suspicious, and because of what I see as contradictions in his behavior, I don't think he is a good candidate. The other thing that rubs me the wrong way, is this whole, "don't judge a book by it's cover, I need to prove myself, blah blah blah" emo drama perspective that isn't even appropriate in this game setting. It strikes me as desperate, and almost begging to get the job, and that makes me think he wants it so badly because he can actually do something with it. Meh. My opinions, as always.  :D

 

 

ADD: DSage: I don't know that we have a choice. I think this is our day action.

 

Question to Mod: Do we have the option of electing No Captain?

 

***Sorry for the huge wall of text. I know Alys is falling out of her chair right now. Will try harder in the future. ;)***

[Toy and Minion]

I always thought that "no vote" was always an option.  I've never actually seen a game where it helped, but I heard that it can.  But I'm not sure that's a good idea.  Then we go into night with no captain...sounds like bad news.

[Safir]

Wow.  This has kicked off excelently.

 

Sorry I am late, but RL, KoD, ect, ect.  Enough said.

 

Now, I personally don't trust any of you atm.  But the last thing I wanna be is the captain, thanks for not placing me in that position.  I get lightheaded doing oral presentations in school...Suffice to say, I'm not the "leading" type.

 

As I am tired from a long day of running 2 miles in gym, I will leave my voting until tomorrow.  Night, chaps and...chapesses! ;D

[ilgross]

I think that electing a Captain is really in your own interests. It reveals more infomation. You could elect no Capatin I *suppose*, but then I might just be mean and make a random person captain or other nasty outcomes....

 

BTW While the Captain does have double powers, (s)he doesn't have to be a leader of the boat. Double votes is good, but you can always ignore whatever they say. I don't think inexpirence should be a barrier to Captaincy.

[SBoydW]

Holy Canoli.... 5 pages already yikes!

 

To those who care... sure I'd take the captain job, and I'm fairly sur i'd survive the first night.

[Dark Justice]

that just sounds so weird. Why can you be so sertain? If that is an attemt to say you are the healer, just say so. Healer as captain would be wicked. You could protect yourself aswell as the finder. But 1/2 claiming is just crap. I am at the moment going with [glow=red,2,300]kryos[/glow]

[Toy and Minion]

Um...no, Dark.  I don't agree with you there.  I advise against any role claim unless it is absolutely necessary.

[Barmacral]

Just a tip. Don't ever ever ever ever ever speculate on good guy claims. You only help the bad guys by doing that. And cast suspicion on yourself while you are at it.

[Thorum]

Thorum - you can call me Wes, or you can call me DPR. Just don't call me Shirley.

 

Okay, Shirley.

 

@Vemynal: my reason for not voting for you (I had posted it, but it got lost in the rest of that post):

I don't know about later games, but in your first two games (before my holiday/examinations/internet breakdown), you were one of the best players. Captains can't be too good players (in case they are evil); but have to make valuable additions to the game (in case they are good: they're very strong and have to be able to defend their opinion, or we'll have to re-elect a captain every day).

 

@dsage: I was as willing to vote you as fdm. She just put up her candidacy sooner.

 

Soy:

I'm fairly sur i'd survive the first night.

 

Barmy:

Just a tip. Don't ever ever ever ever ever speculate on good guy claims. You only help the bad guys by doing that. And cast suspicion on yourself while you are at it.

 

Well,there ís another possibility... And, since I don't think Soy would make the mistake of already half-role-revealing, ...

[DPR]

 

Mod? Is this a coroner finder game?

[Kryos]

FDM, the reasoning why I don't trust you or want to see you as captain is pretty simple really. You honestly are doing a fairly good job of keeping yourself completely neutral sounding so you could be having ulterior motives as to why you aren't opposed to being captain which in my opinion is like a light switch being flipped on for my suspicion of you. And the quote of mine you took about Vemy, well, if you actually read my post you quoted more than anything, you'd see I did say Vemy doesn't really want to be captain as well there so reiterating it by my quote was rather a moot point if anything. And honestly, I don't agree one bit with your stance on people you haven't seen play before. It is quite ludicrous if you ask me, but then that is just my opinion. Those who have played with me, albeit just in newbie games thus far, know that I have great potential, but then, it doesn't look as though you'll take another's word for it.

 

Dark, I agree with DSage, try not to be making any assumptions or anything about suspected roles just because of a play on words by others. It can easily be an attempt to confuse and subject you to a preset notion of what a person is and could be a hindrance in reality. This game is more about trickery than it is about anything else. You gotta learn to look beyond the words and accept there is more to them than meets the eye.

[ilgross]

No.

 

Vote Count:

 

Kryos 3

FDM  3

[Dark Justice]

Thanx Barm. Good advice. Its just that I kind of hate theese half claims. Well. anyway, probably nothing in it.

[Guest Far Dareis Mai]

Those who have played with me, albeit just in newbie games thus far, know that I have great potential, but then, it doesn't look as though you'll take another's word for it.

Except that we are playing a game where people do this thing called LIE. If you are going to take everything everyone says as proof positive...then you are going to have a tough time, imo.

 

You honestly are doing a fairly good job of keeping yourself completely neutral sounding so you could be having ulterior motives as to why you aren't opposed to being captain which in my opinion is like a light switch being flipped on for my suspicion of you.

So I'm suspicious because I'm not suspicious? And if I'm suspicious because I told people I'm willing to be Captain...doesn't that make you essentially more suspicious because you want it worse than I?

 

Again, you want it too much. That is not good. The only reason a person would want something like that as badly as you do is if they could do something with it. You are coming on too strong.

[Barmacral]

You know, I'm a bit amused here, people like Sira come out and say "Whomever gets Captain will probably die"

 

And then people like Kyros respond "Make me captain!" Based on the former's logic... death wish anyone? :P

 

But on a serious note...

 

I mean, thats what all this argument boils down to. Lets just pick a captain and see how the game goes. Not to rush things, but I don't want this to turn into another day 1 of the Nuthouse or Double Blind, and we are close to 10 pages already. I'd like to suggest to everyone that you vote for Kyros or FDM. Personally, I'm liking FDM a bit better, as I know she's capable of doing it. I really don't know Kyros well enough to give the power to him. I'd rather observe him and see how he plays first.

[Alys Kinch]

I have observed all of the newbie games and because of that I have seen kryos come out pretty well. he doesn't try to subjugate those he wants to convince. he is logical. *shrugs* if not him, then i'd rather dark for his instincts.

[Vemynal]

crude, this isn't a coroner finder game...

 

yeah, I'm on fdm for now but seeing as kryos has gone from "meh" to "gimme" He's on my list as well, but just a tid bit lower then fdm, if he gets to say 2 votes from rank away or 1 vote from rank away I'm willing to switch.

 

@ alys: yeah, dark has awesome instincts, I think he might be Dude 2.0 XD

 

but he doesn't want it =/

[Alys Kinch]

should we conspire to vote him in anyway? <_< >_>

[Leelou]

I would really like Dark as captain, but he doesn't want it. I think for day one I'm willing to pick [glow=red,2,300]FDM [/glow] only because I really don't trust the way that Kryos went from whatever to wanting it because other people have expressed an interest. I also stated before that I know he is logical and atm I would like to get a better feel for him during the game and don't trust putting him in Captain right now.

[Vemynal]

well, I know you leelou and me are willing, but its just gonna take away from fdm and kryos and make the day longer if we unvote and others don't (it would be 2:2:3 rather then our current 3:4).

 

so I'll ask the crowd then, since were seemingly split over fdm and kryos would you all be willing to vote dark? Me and alys and I'm sure talya will support his instincts as well as his playing experience. His first game he was finder and made all the right decisions. Even getting an evil but being night killed that night. His second game he was a healer and sacrificed himself for Dude. this is technically his 4th game since Dsage's game started first but its still going, obviously I can't comment on that here    ;) @ alys XD

 

Otherwise I say people keep going for fdm or kryos and make a decision like barm said, because no good if day 1 goes past page 10 =/

[DPR]

 

I agree with Barm. FDM it is.

[DPR]

 

*Eh hem* I mean, [glow=red,2,300]FDM[/glow] it is