does anyone like Faile?

[ashaman33]

ohhh soooo true.

 

I definitely do not like Faile. She does not treat Perrin the way that he deserves. She would be a major pain to have as a wife because of her jealousy. I also do not like the way that she has affected Perrin.

[goldeneys]

yeah, I liked him better before Faile got to him.

[elmindreda]

look kadere im not saying that women should not think for themselves because i think thats gtreat

 

but i do think that faile doesnt treat perrin very well for a wife and shes always expecting him to do what will satisfy her and does not care if he is unstisfied.

[Alarwyn Liande]

Faile is ok... I guess. Sometimes...

 

But could someone please stab Berelaine? :P

[goldeneys]

yeah, I HATE Berelain.

[Inara]

thank the light for kadere!!!!!

(that is a bit weird...considering...but anyway)

 

almost all of the characters in the books, male and female, are stubborn, opinionated, proud and make their descisions based on what they know or have deduced...

they get it wrong! and that is part of the fun

what about when mat comes to 'save' egwene from the aes sedai, same thing

faile sees herself as an active partner in her marriage,and does what she knows best to help/protect/advance her husband

 

*behind every great man...*

 

and berelain is not so bad, well, i cant wait until she is 'swept off her feet' by that man in white anyway

[Aminalcrakers]

thank the light for kadere!!!!!

(that is a bit weird...considering...but anyway)

 

almost all of the characters in the books' date=' male and female, are stubborn, opinionated, proud and make their descisions based on what they know or have deduced...

they get it wrong! and that is part of the fun

what about when mat comes to 'save' egwene from the aes sedai, same thing

faile sees herself as an active partner in her marriage,and does what she knows best to help/protect/advance her husband

 

*behind every great man...*

 

and berelain is not so bad, well, i cant wait until she is 'swept off her feet' by that man in white anyway[/quote']

 

::does a little dance:: Hey guys guess what? Faile is human! ::Gasp:: Anyhow, she has human faults, hence the genius of RJ! Sure, she can get on our nerves, but I bet every one of you has a good friend who rubs you the wrong way every once in a while, but you forgive them because you know they aren't doing it intentionally. Faile is only doing the best she can in a relationship that she loves, but yet doesn't know how to deal with.

Also second the berelain comment, shes not horrible, but i will be glad once her dashing man in white take s her away from Perrin, or at least make her leave him alone for a bit:)

[Almen Bunt]

i could be wrong because i havent read the last couple of books... but could it be galad who sweeps berelaine off her feet?

 

i dunno it makes sense to me, just listen to my theory...

 

galad barely ever lets a mooning woman affect him, and i dont think he ever goes anywhere with anyof them plus he's *supposbly* the hottest guy in the series... anyway doesnt that sound perfect for berelaine?? he'd play hard to get, hes hot, and he's powerful...

[goldeneys]

I don't think so, I would tell you where Galad is now, but that would be a pretty major spoiler.

[Kadere]

I think it's possible, and I think there have been some theories of that drawn up before. Actually Goldy, where Galad is now and the direction in which he's moving he could run into Perrin and thus meet her. So it's not that non-sensical.

[Jeppit Groccin]

The problem I see most people having with Faile is her jealousy towards Berelain.

 

To me, this wouldn't even be an issue at all if perrin couldn't catch that spiky scent of jealousy all the time. Other than the scent, Perrin would be clueless and be just as happy-go-lucky around Faile as he always has been.

[Almearafan]

All they do is look out for the safety of Rand and Perrin because they're both natorious for not thinking things through

 

Actually that's not the case with Perrin. RJ's always been pretty clear on the fact that Perrin thinks things through as carefully as he can when he is able to.

 

Rand I agree with...he tends to be too rash.

[Almearafan]

I think that's it's important to have compromise in any relationship. I like Faile's strength and think that it has it's place in their relationship, however; I think that if she expects Perrin to learn her way of life, then she should be willing to learn more of his too.

 

With her upbringing (and aversion to her upbringing) she has been trained to be the woman that she is, so as much as she doesn't want to take her dead brother's place, she's unable to get away from what she was trained to do either. It shaped a whole lot of her personality.

 

I don't think that there's any reason at all for Faile to change, I just think that she needs to be willing to meet Perrin halfway in some things.

 

On another note...do you think her kids (if/when she gets pregnant/has them) will be born wolf brothers, or develop it later in life. It seems like it's not genetic because it hasn't been seen in years...maybe that's a discussion for another thread...sorry if it is.

[Child Olaf]

My problem with Faile is that she pushes Perrin to become what she wants him to be with no regard for what he wants. He wants to be a blacksmith and live out his days taking care of her and their future family. He has no desire to a lord, king, or whatever. He just wants to be a regular guy. While she may have fallen for his broad shoulders and curly hair, he has turned into the vehicle for her to carve out her own kingdom. She probably does love him some, but she is using him for her own personal gain.

[Pyro]

I think that they will probably be born with it unlike with Perrin who kind of grew into it randomly...and I agree with all of the stuff about Faile, but one thing with that is she will do what perrin won't is how I see things with that.

[Msnformd]

The problem with Perrin and Faile is a major culture clash. I don't doubt that they love each other very much, but I don't think they really UNDERSTAND each other very much. Faile was raised in a culture that produces strong, dominating women; Perrin was raised in a culture where women are supposed to be protected (or so he thinks - he never really tangled with the Women's Circle in Emmons Field much, never learned who was really in charge). Neither of them has made much effort to truly understand the other's culture. Perrin's had some education in this from whatshisname (can't remember at the moment), but hasn't really truly embraced that. Faile has made less effort understand his background.

 

Can this marriage be saved? If they were writing to the GoodHousekeeping advice column, it would be an interesting discussion.

 

Yeah, Berelain bugs me; Galad would be a good solution to get her out of that triangle. A good way to tie up a loose end, but that probably won't happen in book 12.

[elmindreda]

whatshisname is elyas i think and wow you should be a marrage consultant lol

[goldeneys]

I think it's possible' date=' and I think there have been some theories of that drawn up before. Actually Goldy, where Galad is now and the direction in which he's moving he could run into Perrin and thus meet her. So it's not that non-sensical.[/quote']

 

Well, I suppose, but....well yeah I guess it could happen.

[Guest cwestervelt]

The problem I see most people having with Faile is her jealousy towards Berelain.

 

To me' date=' this wouldn't even be an issue at all if perrin couldn't catch that spiky scent of jealousy all the time. Other than the scent, Perrin would be clueless and be just as happy-go-lucky around Faile as he always has been.[/quote']

 

If it were just the scent, I could agree with you. Faile acts on her jealousy. At a minimum, she takes a visibly hostile stance to almost every woman that is in close proximaty to Perrin.

 

She took it even farther they were in Cairhien pre and post Dumai's Wells. While there, Faile deliberately tried to make Perrin's life miserable because she was jealous over Berelain. She was treating Perrin as if he was unfaithful simply because Berelain was in the same building. Her actions in that situation cannot be justified in any form or manner.

 

So far, most comments, including mine, have only talked about the jealousy issue for while people hate Faile. Just as bad is her treatment of the Two River's people that Perrin grew up with and considered friends. That is just plain rude arrogance, when it isn't rude, jealous, arrogance. She doesn't see the people of the Two Rivers as anything more than subjects. She refuses to let Perrin have friends because that confuses the other's about what there place is supposed to be. I thought the Two Rivers people were supposed to be level headed and independant, but if they were, they wouldn't be falling all over themselves sucking up to her. They'd put her down hard and give her a serious lesson in real life.

[Kadere]

Perrin isn't ever going to be just a blacksmith. That road in his life is closed forever. He's Taveren and it's his duty to become a King and leader of his people to help Rand during the Last Battle. Faile knows this. She pushs Perrin to that potential because she knows that he has to live up to it. He can't do anything else. He HAS to become a leader and take charge. Part of that is the ability to see your friends as subjects. If he views them as friends he will be reluctent to send them into danger, and then he can't be a good leader and Rand will fail. Faile is forcing him, but only because he has to change. If he doesn't, Rand will lose.

[dawntreader3]

I've got to agree 100% with Jedimuppet. Robert Jordan's female characters are rude, selfish and immature. Even many of the Aiel Wise Women in my opinion. (And absolutely ALL of the Aes Sedai go into that category.)

 

Min is the only one that I have really liked. She is a bit tomboyish, generally happy, and she is not condescending to Rand for the most part.

 

I have to disagree that Elayne has grown much since Avi talked to her about Mat. I think maybe she saw she was wrong concerning Mat and Mat alone. She treats whomever she wants with a huge dose of condescension and arrogance. (This is especially true of her relationship with Birgitte.)

 

I NEVER liked Nynaeve. How Lan could ever love her is beyond me. And I hope in the future he breaks free of her B**** A** little clutches and shows the whole of Aes Sedai sisterhood a thing or two and leaves them groveling in the dust.

[SinisterDeath]

Perrin isn't ever going to be just a blacksmith. That road in his life is closed forever. He's Taveren and it's his duty to become a King and leader of his people to help Rand during the Last Battle. Faile knows this. She pushs Perrin to that potential because she knows that he has to live up to it. He can't do anything else. He HAS to become a leader and take charge. Part of that is the ability to see your friends as subjects. If he views them as friends he will be reluctent to send them into danger' date=' and then he can't be a good leader and Rand will fail. Faile is forcing him, but only because he has to change. If he doesn't, Rand will lose.[/quote']

 

I agree whole heartadly with Kadere on this. *and your "first" post about faile*

 

Also, when looking at failes actions, you also have to remember what Perrin is. He is a Ta'Varen. So that could Be a very good reason WHY faile gets so jealous over bearlon. Remember that somewhat prophecy perrin has over a hawk and a, umm whatever those two birds were, which we later find out = faile, and bearlon.. Also, Failes "pushing" of perrin to become a leader, and not just a "blacksmith" can also be explained due to his ta'varenness. The pattern Wants perrin to become a leader, and help Rand & Mat, and it achieves this not by putting perrin in battle alot *like mat* but through his wife. So if anyones a bitch, its the wheel.

[Inara]

well

thakyou kadere, that was almose exactly what i was about to say.

what fail is doing reguarding setting up a household and making perrin step up to the mark is, at least from her point of view, the best thing she can do for him.

if faile was the snooty winger you all seem to see she would have kicked up a major stink over perrin ditching that bed...just one example.

what she is doing is paying off, look how he 'handled' alliendre, without failes help, and her influence, he would not have come far from his hayhaired blacksmith days.

shes great, if a little misguided at times