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The potato must be passed on each night. 

 

The Apportioner was a 1* ability, using it once to keep a wolf alive for one night on the off chance the target is the Siren seems a bit of waste. 

 

I cannot shake the feeling that you are not trying to be helpful with these kind of sprawling posts about possibilities a lot of which seem pretty irrelevant. 

 

Like the Bus driver seems likely to be mafia. Not necesarily but  not sure asking anyone to claim would help resolve anything unless the people they targeted is significant, but would we trust them anyway? 

 

There is something weird about Turin/Sinister. The way the keep talking about the bus driver driving them places. The way they are voting for each other when if we believe Darthe and choose to eliminate we need to do them both, we won't get flips so why are they bickering with each other rather than looking for the other wolves. And there is something muted about their interactions. Meh. I'm getting paranoid. 

 

But any chance you can keep things more focused, Sinister, rather than discussing every role at once and seeming to get a lot of your details wrong? 

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  On 6/1/2025 at 8:31 PM, SinisterDeath said:

Let's poke the bus driver, if one doesn't come out, then we work outwards.

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Why, what does this achieve? Why dont we concentrate on who is acting suspicious, and who appears to have an agenda and who is derailing the thread with nonsense. 

 

Bus driver is probably mafia. If town good chance no one would believe them. Could you succinctly say what you are trying to get at? 

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I wasn't disagreeing with Sinister, just saying this game has a lot of things that normal games don't so we must consider everything is possible. 

He could be absolutely right, but we wouldn't know, hence the maybes and kindas

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  On 6/1/2025 at 8:34 PM, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

The Apportioner was a 1* ability, using it once to keep a wolf alive for one night on the off chance the target is the Siren seems a bit of waste. 

 

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If the target is killed. 

I suspect that it if the target isn't killed, the ability doesn't go to waste.

 

  On 6/1/2025 at 8:34 PM, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

Like the Bus driver seems likely to be mafia. Not necesarily but  not sure asking anyone to claim would help resolve anything unless the people they targeted is significant, but would we trust them anyway? 

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Sure it would.

 

Darthe says he viewed Turin and I.

We have opposing alignments.

I maintain I'm Town, he Maintains he's town.

 

So, we have three possibilities.

1. He's a wolf.

2. He was bus drived with a wolf, and that corrupted Darthe's view.

3. I was bus drived by a wolf, and that corrupted Darthe's view.

 

Ithi claims (9), night actions were used.

Theoretically, bus driver fits within the 9 possible night actions that could have happened.

 

(If) Town started the game with the bus, we might be able to figure out what wolf has it.

 

(If) Town still has it, we might be able to figure out who was bussed, and that'll help me solve my vote... Maybe.

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  On 6/1/2025 at 8:12 PM, SinisterDeath said:

 

 

Hot Potato = Role Blocker, but could have just as easily been passed to Teph on N0.

 

 

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  On 6/1/2025 at 8:34 PM, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

The potato must be passed on each night. 

 

 

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So does this mean Teph isn't necessarily mafia? If he was passed it and didn't start with it then it doesn't confirm mafia.

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DM isnt helping me with my limited time today in between family needs.  I've lost posts a couple times already so hoping this short one gets through.

VOTE SD

I haven't seen anything changing from my opinion yesterday and with Shad's hyper defense of him I want to see how this resolves.

Going to a baseball game after making tortillas for the week.  I might be able to sneak back on but most likely I'll grab a look on my phone from the Isotopes game.

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Posted
  On 6/1/2025 at 9:25 PM, Gudrean said:

 

 

So does this mean Teph isn't necessarily mafia? If he was passed it and didn't start with it then it doesn't confirm mafia.

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The OP says the Potato is moved every night. So as far as I can see that means Teph didn't start with it. It's existence is probably pro-mafia, but it doesn't necessarily start there. 

 

Not sure why anyone would think it would confirm Teph as mafia. The setup doesn't seem to imply that to me. 

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  On 6/1/2025 at 9:25 PM, peacesells said:

DM isnt helping me with my limited time today in between family needs.  I've lost posts a couple times already so hoping this short one gets through.

VOTE SD

I haven't seen anything changing from my opinion yesterday and with Shad's hyper defense of him I want to see how this resolves.

Going to a baseball game after making tortillas for the week.  I might be able to sneak back on but most likely I'll grab a look on my phone from the Isotopes game.

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where is this team from?

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  On 6/1/2025 at 9:25 PM, Gudrean said:

So does this mean Teph isn't necessarily mafia? If he was passed it and didn't start with it then it doesn't confirm mafia.

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The only one who confirmed was RIP!Darthe...

 

I want to say RB roles are typically Mafia aligned, so it's likely Mafia could have started with Hot Potato.

 

Or maybe town did, and got lucky and tossed it to Mafia.

 

We won't know until we lynch all the Mafia...

 

  On 6/1/2025 at 9:25 PM, peacesells said:

DM isnt helping me with my limited time today in between family needs.  I've lost posts a couple times already so hoping this short one gets through.

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Yeah, DM sucks today.

Blame Barm.

 

  On 6/1/2025 at 9:25 PM, peacesells said:

I haven't seen anything changing from my opinion yesterday and with Shad's hyper defense of him I want to see how this resolves.

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Speaking of that...

While I was mowing the lawn, I was thinking about that.

 

I don't think I've ever played this game with Shad before. Though I feel like we've crossed paths on DM somewhere. (Seanchan maybe? )

 

So I'm kind of surprised he went to bat for a random townie. Why would another townie put his neck out, and put in so much... literal work like that, for another townie who's that close to the chopping block as it were?

 

In the last game, when I was wolf, I know I went to bat for heavy on a couple of occasions on things that I felt other townies were... Misrepping him on, both because I have that need to try to correct the record when I see an error. But when I was playing a wolf last game, I also did it to make him look like he was a wolf with me. (Lol, sorry not sorry).

 

However, As I evaluated this with what Shad did, and his possible motivations. I saw a possible... "What if he went to bat for me, so he could establish some serious town cred when I flip town?" 

But then I was like... But then he successfully? Diverterted my train?

 

And if he was a wolf, and Teph was. Why would he get his teammate killed?

 

It's a bit early to try to establish that level of town cred (IMO). 

 

Course. Then I went all 

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And thought... What if he's the gunsmith, and gave Ed the Gun, hoping Ed would shoot me, and that would gain him town cred?

 

Oh well. I'll probably have to sleep on this some to try and figure this crap out. 

Bus Drivers giving me a Headache.

And I had a late game of D&D last night. Dumb asses were casting Speak with Dead on every damn thing...

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  On 6/1/2025 at 9:37 PM, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

Not sure why anyone would think it would confirm Teph as mafia. The setup doesn't seem to imply that to me. 

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when he was lynched and the results of hot potato were posted at least 1 or 2 people said it meant he was mafia. Don't feel like trudging through the posts with this lag to find the quotes atm lol

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Posted
  On 6/1/2025 at 9:21 PM, SinisterDeath said:

If the target is killed. 

I suspect that it if the target isn't killed, the ability doesn't go to waste.

 

Sure it would.

 

Darthe says he viewed Turin and I.

We have opposing alignments.

I maintain I'm Town, he Maintains he's town.

 

So, we have three possibilities.

1. He's a wolf.

2. He was bus drived with a wolf, and that corrupted Darthe's view.

3. I was bus drived by a wolf, and that corrupted Darthe's view.

 

Ithi claims (9), night actions were used.

Theoretically, bus driver fits within the 9 possible night actions that could have happened.

 

(If) Town started the game with the bus, we might be able to figure out what wolf has it.

 

(If) Town still has it, we might be able to figure out who was bussed, and that'll help me solve my vote... Maybe.

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That is a lot of ifs. And we can leave it up to individual players to reveal what is helpful to Town if they are Town. Hunting a Bus Driver because they might have info which might change which ifs we are looking at doesn't help. 

 

And if the Apportioner was something other than a 1* ability would it not be mentioned in the PM given to the Apportioner? 

 

What are you going here except trying to amplify the confusion? Why are voting Turin if you think Darthe's reading for whatever reason cannot be trusted? We need to concentrate on what we can do, rather than seek to paralyse the discussion if all these "ifs" and "maybes". What are your reads is important, not discussing specs constantly and coming to no conclusion except for we don't know. 

 

You're being really sus. You don't seem to be helping solve at all while filling the thread with nonsense. If you are town, you need to be more focused. If a spec discussion can help, great. Just throwing everything out as we don't know this does not help and does not get us closer to catching wolves or building cases. 

 

Everyone is starting to sketch me out. Why is no one talking about who they find suspicious? 

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  On 6/1/2025 at 9:46 PM, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

What are you going here except trying to amplify the confusion? Why are voting Turin if you think Darthe's reading for whatever reason cannot be trusted? We need to concentrate on what we can do, rather than seek to paralyse the discussion if all these "ifs" and "maybes". What are your reads is important, not discussing specs constantly and coming to no conclusion except for we don't know. 

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If there was no bus driver involved, then Turin is 100% Mafia. End of discussion.

 

If no one fesses up to being a bus driver, then either

1) there never was a bus driver

2) it's in the Mafia's hands.

 

In which case, we can't know if Darthe's read is accurate.

 

So for now, I'm parked on Turin. (Oh no.... One vote! Wooooo)

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Posted
  On 6/1/2025 at 9:45 PM, SinisterDeath said:

The only one who confirmed was RIP!Darthe...

 

I want to say RB roles are typically Mafia aligned, so it's likely Mafia could have started with Hot Potato.

 

Or maybe town did, and got lucky and tossed it to Mafia.

 

We won't know until we lynch all the Mafia...

 

Yeah, DM sucks today.

Blame Barm.

 

 

Speaking of that...

While I was mowing the lawn, I was thinking about that.

 

I don't think I've ever played this game with Shad before. Though I feel like we've crossed paths on DM somewhere. (Seanchan maybe? )

 

So I'm kind of surprised he went to bat for a random townie. Why would another townie put his neck out, and put in so much... literal work like that, for another townie who's that close to the chopping block as it were?

 

In the last game, when I was wolf, I know I went to bat for heavy on a couple of occasions on things that I felt other townies were... Misrepping him on, both because I have that need to try to correct the record when I see an error. But when I was playing a wolf last game, I also did it to make him look like he was a wolf with me. (Lol, sorry not sorry).

 

However, As I evaluated this with what Shad did, and his possible motivations. I saw a possible... "What if he went to bat for me, so he could establish some serious town cred when I flip town?" 

But then I was like... But then he successfully? Diverterted my train?

 

And if he was a wolf, and Teph was. Why would he get his teammate killed?

 

It's a bit early to try to establish that level of town cred (IMO). 

 

Course. Then I went all 

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And thought... What if he's the gunsmith, and gave Ed the Gun, hoping Ed would shoot me, and that would gain him town cred?

 

Oh well. I'll probably have to sleep on this some to try and figure this crap out. 

Bus Drivers giving me a Headache.

And I had a late game of D&D last night. Dumb asses were casting Speak with Dead on every damn thing...

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Saying you think Shad might be defending you for town cred would have been more succint. I think we the concept without you talking for five minutes about how you played last game. And then adding in a bunch of weird other possibilities does not seem to really show where your head is at. 

 

This is getting really annoying, Sinister. (see how I could say that without spending four paragraphs explaining about something that was annoying in the previous game?) 

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  On 6/1/2025 at 9:51 PM, Gudrean said:

I'm not a sports girl, or a geography girl for that matter lolololololol so thx

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That was a joke. Springfield is where the Simpsons live 🙂 my deadpan delivery must have confused you. 

 

I'm going to bed and quite thankful for it. Night guys. 

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  On 5/27/2025 at 8:32 PM, DPR said:

15.  Hot Potato [Removed] – At night, the Hot Potato will pass the potato to any player. That player may not use any role given to them for that night. 

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This says the Hot Potato gives the potato to someone and the person they give it to can't use their role. There's no mention of them actually passing the role along.

 

Have a look at all the parcel roles. They say something slightly different. 

 

  On 5/27/2025 at 8:32 PM, DPR said:

must choose another player and pass the role along

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It's subtle but all the parcels say pass the role along.

 

There's no mention of the Potato passing their role along. I don't think it is a pass along role. I think Teph was the Potato  and he was/is Mafia and that's why Peace didn't want to vote him, or Unvote Heavy, despite him later saying he felt Heavy's Apportioner role claim was a Town lean role. And Peace WAS THERE despite him trying to say I was misrepresenting the timeliness.

 

Also Teph never bothered claiming lol. Probs hard to claim if you the Potato and the Cop parcel and Doc parcel had already been accounted for. And they probably never planned for him having to claim cos the Mafia team were expecting that Sinister would be Lynched.

 

Let's try and not get sidetracked.

 

There are 22 possible roles and only 14 players to start. Maybe not all the roles are in the game? Maybe there's isn't even a Bus Driver? But the possibility of a Bus Driver would give the ability to cause doubt in results.

 

So I think there is a Mafia in

 

1. Peace. He was unhappy that Sinister vote had gone. He hasn't given a reason for not even considering unvoting Heavy. He was being super nice and friendly with me until I stopped going for Sinister and then he turned and snarked and name called. He's said I'm misrepping when I'm just posting actual things he has done and said. His slide to Heavy was garbage yesterday. He didn't think he'd need a secondary name to push. He still can't give a second name now. 

 

2. Sinister/Turin ... with the interactions and the stuff on the Teph Vote. I'm gonna have to say that Turin now seems more likely out of these two. I don't think that Peace would be pushing the Sinister vote so hard, on two consecutive days if he was a known team mate. I think Sinister could still be the Symp, but maybe that's just part of me not wanting to be wrong on my Night 0/Day 1 thoughts. But Turin has given a list of reads and I don't think Sinister has.

 

And Eddie could also be the symp cos his only reason for shooting Heavy was that his train slowed down. And it slowed because he claimed a Town positive role. Eddie didn't mention the claim or whether he believed it or not.

 

And if Eddie thinks Trains slowing down is enough of a reason to shoot, without considering the claim then why didn't he shoot Sinister when that Lynch slowed down and moved.

 

***Please note I don't think Peace has given a breakdown of who his thoughts are on the remaining Mafia team players. Just the vote on the one person... Sinister.

 

I've asked him many times and he says he has answered and I'm misleading but I think he just doesn't want to get burned again... like when he slid onto Heavy yesterday. I told him I'd be checking his posts and I think he just doesn't want to give any other names because of that lol.

 

Turin has given reads on people.

 

Did Sinister? Have I missed it while I was napping lol

 

I know lists suck people... but two or three names are not that bad surely? 

Posted
  On 6/1/2025 at 9:52 PM, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

Saying you think Shad might be defending you for town cred would have been more succint. I think we the concept without you talking for five minutes about how you played last game. And then adding in a bunch of weird other possibilities does not seem to really show where your head is at. 

 

This is getting really annoying, Sinister. (see how I could say that without spending four paragraphs explaining about something that was annoying in the previous game?) 

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Can we just agree to not judge people for playing and talking the way they want? You know I 💗 U Man!  but just let Sinister do his thing. Ya know. It's not hurting anyone.

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  On 6/1/2025 at 7:26 AM, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

So Darthe no explanation for your fly by vote? What a bunch of garbage reads. 

 

Don't trust your claim about Turin and SD. 

 

I thought you were a good player? How come you are so off the pace? Overnight I was actually softening on you, thinking maybe this just all comes down to your towering self belief in that you seriously think you can spot a wolf in one post from a player that has literally never been a wolf. 

 

But this garbage you have spewed into the thread, sounding like you are in charge? Yeah, softening reversed. 

 

But are you mafia or the sump, just out of curiosity? 

 

Darthe, Peace, and given Darthe's ramblings I worry about Turin/Sinister. 

 

What a disappointment to wake and see this polluting the thread. 

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So I’ve been called garbage twice, a disappointment, and told “I thought you were good” here. Obvious bait is obvious.  If you’re content with losing every round you play that’s on you, but it deserves just policy lynching you and taking the handicap.  I see nothing town aligned here, in motivation or process.  Further, I think you’re skirting by on people who accept any slop you pump out, but it’s not in my interest to do so.  
 

tldr, we need to lynch heavy.  Read this post, townies in this thread should’ve had called this one out by now but you’re all too content to let it slide by.

 

  On 6/1/2025 at 11:50 AM, Gudrean said:

I was cop starting the game at N0 and passed it to Dice

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Checks out, I’m cool with that.  Not alignment indicating of itself but picking dice is.  Why him?
 

  On 6/1/2025 at 1:00 PM, Shad_ said:

Unconventional kills.  Didn't put my head into what has been claimed but it tells me a couple things.

 

Wolves could have had mechanical insight.  Do we know role-wise how viable this is?

 

Or Ithi is a wolf, somewhat improbable to me unless Turin and/or Dice teamed with her because I don't see both being dead wrong on her given they seemed to be well informed meta takes

 

Or wolves are very old school.  Long long ago it was Dragonmount tradition to got for the kills that provide the least info.  This has been long shown to be suboptimal on average and I only expect it from people of an older DM generation: berf, ed, was SD playing back then?  Modern Werewolf would trend to kill me Ithi or Darthe based on engagement level and thread pull.  We had the most control over the D1 lynch choices.  You kill the loud people you can't control or easily mislynch and let the future tinfoil targets remain to get lynched another day.

 

Specifically like, if SD is a villager why wouldn't you kill me and if SD is a wolf why wouldn't you kill Ithi?  Neither of us were remotely within range of consideration for getting lynched, we very vocally disagreed over the main lynch choice, and one of us was bound to get our way the moment the other was removed.  So the above three speculations are foremost in my head.

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SD you’re too good at being a wolf to put this many x y z statements in your post.  It’s sketching me out and I don’t wanna think you’re not town.  

  On 6/1/2025 at 3:28 PM, peacesells said:

I already stated that the apportioner role leaned Heavy as town.

I'm pretty sure the DPR didn't give out all the roles traditionally since he's trying to make alignment at death difficult to determine.

You are acting like he is cleared town.

Heavy is hard to read because he OMGUS's every person that leans on him.  Like....everytime.  




 

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Peace still looks town.  It’s a big problem that he is the primary wagon over the gladiator choices.  Speaks a lot to the poor coordination of our town and limited activity.  Need those of you who are engaged to get with the program here, we’re doing the mafias jobs for them if they don’t have a core to pick apart.

  On 6/1/2025 at 4:10 PM, SinisterDeath said:

Also of note.

Even if you did get bussed, or if I did.

Our alignments aren't affected.

(I guess it helps to read bus driver again)

 

So, yeah.

 

Vote Turin.

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Chasing this down is fascinating.  Are we assuming that a wolf! Bus driver would bus drive with themselves and another player?  I think this is more likely just looking for an out.

  On 6/1/2025 at 4:24 PM, peacesells said:

Back from the shower until the wife tells me "enough time with your girlfriend." (computer)

Ithi, you've misrepresented timelines, statements and tried to pigeon hole me so much that if I didn't believe your opening role claim It would ping as a huge scum tell. 

I've answered every one of your hot takes and you have not responded to any of them.

You don't even back off the mod confirmed story is just flavor.  

So, I'm ignoring you for awhile as it is distracting and I'm not scum.  

Onward.

 

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Again, peace making clear signals he is town.

  On 6/1/2025 at 4:39 PM, Ithillian Turambar said:

Did I miss you saying which two names you would give as mafia.

 

If so I'm sorry. Please quote the post I missed.

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Ithi I ❤️ u and think you’re a town goat but your read on peace is completely biased headhunting.  Get the bit out of your mouth and find me an answer more relevant to the solve, I’m not gonna watch you burn a lynch like this.

  On 6/1/2025 at 5:08 PM, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

The bus driver makes Darthe's info even more sus. I mean, they could both be wolves, Lolololol. 

 

Don't like basing eliminations, two days worth, on such flaky info. Not that I don't have my suspicions but it seems a suboptimal way to choose targets. 

 

Can anyone give me an explanation that would square any of Darthe's behaviour with being Town aligned? He is happy with the Teph elimination but also wants to eliminate me, despite my claim despite how adamant some people were to eliminate me over Teph. He makes a flyby vote that starts my train while admitting he hasn't read the thread. He gives Berf and Peace both glowing reads about how natural they are. His case against me is "this is a wolf post. This is a wolf". I cannot see how this is a sincere town player. 

 

Can any of you explain why nearly everyone is accepting him as the towniest townie that has ever towned? I'm happy to be convinced, I just cannot see the slightest possibility that it is true. So what are you guys seeing that I am not? 

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This is just a wolf, we don’t need to go further.  Wolf having a revival is fascinating, but this also is pretty clearing for whoever shot heavy d1.

  On 6/1/2025 at 5:18 PM, ed2funy said:


you can do everything right and still lose. 
Ithi teased siren and is trying to hard to be town. 
someone teased giving me a gun. I’ll have to go find the link, but I think I know who it was and they’re mafia. 

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Cool by me, you’ve got time.  Interested in seeing what you find.

  On 6/1/2025 at 9:21 PM, SinisterDeath said:

 

 

Darthe says he viewed Turin and I.

We have opposing alignments.

I maintain I'm Town, he Maintains he's town.

 

 

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“I maintain I’m town” is different from “I’m town”.  People misuse “slips” all the time, but this is a real one.

 

vote sd

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  On 6/1/2025 at 10:19 PM, Gudrean said:

Can we just agree to not judge people for playing and talking the way they want? You know I 💗 U Man!  but just let Sinister do his thing. Ya know. It's not hurting anyone.

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Gud is right on the money here.

 

We can't tell people how to post and what they can and can't say.

 

There's a DM Mafia Cliche role called 'The Sole Arbiter' and they feel they can police people and decide how they should and shouldn't play. Don't be that person. I told you often enough you can play however you like and you gotta let other people do the same.

 

Plus you know... content is content. It's all useful in one way or another.

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Ithi if peace were town would you think SD was the wolf over Turin?

 

 Conversely if it is peace and Turin, who is their third?

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I'll agree Ed is a bit sus for shooting Heavy, not sure about the not voting thing.

 

Peace has been attempting to show work from what I can tell but could still be wolf if not giving any info on who he would vote other than SD.

Not sure I like the SD train at this point, might switch votes if I see reason enough.

Berf seems to be giving it his best when he posts

Turin is def doing the work

Ithi - has the town thing going with a small caveat that she is good enough to pull off deep wolf

Heavy is def putting in the work

newDarthe claimed and hasn't really said much to make me not believe him

who am I missing?

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