[GAME OVER - TOWN WINS] Dragon and Swift

[Ithillian Turambar]

  On 5/30/2025 at 12:59 AM, Shad_ said:

 

Not really.  Wolves are way less inclined to make enemies than villagers are.

 

 

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I had an absolute best friend in my last game.

 

 

 

 

[peacesells]

  On 5/30/2025 at 1:06 AM, Shad_ said:

 

Perhaps I am being obtuse.

 

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Now I'm the idiot.

[Shad_]

  On 5/29/2025 at 6:56 PM, SinisterDeath said:

And those that played with me a decade+ ago, would likely remember that I've played exactly the same whether I was scum or town. I'm not lying when I say I'm a lightning rod. I don't think I've ever made it to D3.

 

As far as the Slankers go? Well, we'll see how much slanking they do when it comes to Hammer time.

That said, I believe Darthe claimed there was a Wolf between you, Leelou and who else? Teph?

Now say Darthe was correct about Heavy.

This could be a Wolf!Peace employing text book Distancing between Leelou, and Heavy? Right?

 

Or this could be Town!Peace. I equally found it strange that Leelou posted this.  

Which is what you referenced without quoting.

 

But I'm sure you'll bring up this, which I posted about 3 minutes after Leelou.  

 

So, I'm sure Town!Peace or Wolf!Peace will surely latch onto that as proof I must be a wolf because surely I must be a wolf, and those two must be wolves with me, because that interaction was weird.

Meanwhile, you get to skate away free and clear with your text book distancing from Leelou and Heavy.

 

  

Kind of like how some of us spend actual time out of our day posting actual words during N0, and whether you like those posts or not, the the only response you get from that posts felt like a bunch of lazy GIF responses. Whether they are a "real" response to the post or not, was irrelevant to me.

Calling those posts "spam" isn't obtuse. It's a matter of... If you don't want your posts to be called spam, maybe post content that has some actual word count to them with some actual words beyond just a gif. 

 

What I can't believe, is that some of you are still holding a grudge over gif posts being called spam for this bloody long. Get over it. Holy crap... 

 

When it comes to usable content right now, most of its bloody spam. How many bloody slankers? 

I tried to move the game forward by getting people to give me some of their early reads, and only one of you (Peace) actually did so. Darthe was killed before he could. Ithi's attacking me every chance she' gets. I'm just digging my own grave with every word, as per normal whenever I play Mafia. (Town, pay attention to all the non-voters and the people who hammer, it's likely all the information you're going to get this game)

 

At this point, I'm just babbling...

That said. Who here do we think is most likely to have caught Darthe's slip?

I only just caught it last night by accident.

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I can't take it we're not lunching this guy I'm putting my foot down we're saving him.

[Shad_]

I'm going to dive blind into the middle of the other game and quote the first three posts I find and if you cannot sense the profound tonal difference I don't even know what to say

 

 

[Gudrean]

I'm feeling pretty good about Shad

 

Ithi seems to be hunting although the back and forths make it quite hard for me to decide if my opinion of SD is my own - still a town to null for now

 

SD does not feel the same as last game so i'm leaning town for now

 

Peace feels the same as last game to me

 

Heavy is a mid-zone for me cause he's been more pushy so my read of him is colored

 

Teph has seemed to be looking for scum imho even if he does it his way and with a bit of jokeyness

 

Ed, Tigs, Turin are all null till I get something concrete from them

 

LeeLou is a town lean 

 

Berf appears to be looking and solving

 

Dice the heartbreaker is town lean even tho he's a big meanie head

 

 

 

[Shad_]

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  On 5/19/2025 at 9:04 PM, SinisterDeath said:

As far as I'm concerned, I think Turin believes he put me in some kind of voting check mate. And while I understand I have Darthe in my WTL list, and he's in the other "bus", I haven't had time to examine how that bus even started in the first place.

 

I'm feeling like Turin really wants me to place my vote there so he can be the hammer... This was just after he just accused the Mafia of a "last minute vote flip". 
Turin's on me right now, right? 

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  On 5/19/2025 at 1:48 AM, SinisterDeath said:

Sorry I've been absent all day. I've been crazy busy, herding cats trying to get a 5 & 7 year old to help clean up their toys most of the morning. Ran an errand. Bought some new plants. Watched Krull with the kids, ate supper, and then had to do the whole "2 hour bed time routine" so the kids are half way presentable for school tomorrow.

 

Anyways, caught up on the thread and man, y'all are obsessed with me.. SD this, SD that. Everyone is talking about SD, in their comments at some point, and that just brings me full circle to what I said about... Suss those that suss me. It really can't be great to have me in your thoughts this much. Light knows I hate being in my own thoughts as long as I am!

 

For whatever reason, I'm a fekking lighting rod in Mafia. Always have been.

 

Anyways, as I was finishing my catch up, this post caught my eye.

 

Didn't I explain it to GK here? Is this a misrep, cause this smells like a misrep?

 

I'll explain it again.

The long short of it is this; I had those 3 players as my focus of attention, and I felt that their actions, could rapidly shift where I place them in the ranking that I had them.

 

I was stating that My town read on heavy was based solely on his posting style, which at the time was what the others would call "emo", and of little substance to the actual game.

My "town read" on heavy could (and has) rapidly change based on his interactions with others, his word choices, and how he's approached the actual game, rather than the non-game elements that were getting in the way of others wanting to lynch him for the same reason they wanted to lynch GK.

 

DPR was on that asterisk list because, I believe at the time I posted that list, he kept prying everyone for their "lists" and "reads", but hadn't actually bothered to give anyone his. So IMO, depending on when he got around to posting his "shit take", that could easily push him further away from town or closer to town. 

 

Peace was my "Neutral" because there were things they said that didn't make sense, but I also don't feel sussing me automatically makes you "scum".

 

I felt that those 3 players town/scum positions could rapidly change based on their actions, so not only could those positions rapidly move in my mind, those were players I was keeping an eye on.

 

Note:

Later that day I didn't really move DPR anywhere, but I pushed Ed, Teph, and Turin further down my list. 

[list got clipped by the quote system but is irrelevant]

Black bold = moved down 

Green bold = moved up

Blue = neutral - counter train.

 

Anyways, I was clearly wrong about GK being at the bottom of my first two lists. Half of that is literally based on his hounding me over what I felt was non-sense. At least DPRs, Dice, and Darthe's hounding questions make sense to me.

Turin's hounding just comes off as Charlie from It's Always Sunny, and at this point I still don't know if that's scum Turin or Town Turin.

 

I'm also at a complete loss over Eds slanky slankiness. 

*Pulls a card*

Damn it to hell.

I pulled the Dragon Card.

It makes sense, Ed2Funny is actually Themberchaud, the Slankiest Dragon ever.

 

Anyways, I'm gonn go back through Night phase, and D2, and see if I can pick up on anything interesting. 

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  On 5/16/2025 at 7:55 PM, SinisterDeath said:

I've been reading and reacting to comments here and there as I wait for AutoCAD to stop locking up, or other various work shit to stop locking up long enough for me to do... you know, actual work.

 

On the GK claim, I'm inclined to agree with DPR and TIG here.

"Gut" wise, I was inclined to back my vote from GK, even though I'm sure Turin's going to make a mountain out of a molehill out of that. (e.g. paranoid planned distancing claims, and all that shit)

 

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[Shad_]

These are just random posts I didn't dig far.

 

He's a man with a plan.

 

He forms his agenda and sticks to it.

 

He expresses minor frustration over the negative attention instead of relishing it.

 

He displays the behavior expected of a villager, takes care to make sure the thread knows where his reads are at and why he thinks what he thinks.

 

Have you seen any of that whatsoever in this game?

[Shad_]

Sinister reads in that game:

Yo I think this guy's wolfy.  Here's a wolfy post he made.  See?  Wolfy.  These other two people are probably town.

 

Sinister reads in this game:

hmm I could interpret the post this way

or maybe that way

or maaaaaaaaybe that way

but what if I interpreted it THIS way?

bwhahahaa maybe even THIS WAY

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[Shad_]

I rest my case.  If we can force wolves to have to use KP on someone who was easy mislynch bait we gain a very nice early advantage and they have to squirm in their undies and refocus a bit.

[peacesells]

  On 5/30/2025 at 1:24 AM, Shad_ said:

These are just random posts I didn't dig far.

 

He's a man with a plan.

 

He forms his agenda and sticks to it.

 

He expresses minor frustration over the negative attention instead of relishing it.

 

He displays the behavior expected of a villager, takes care to make sure the thread knows where his reads are at and why he thinks what he thinks.

 

Have you seen any of that whatsoever in this game?

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My first reaction is I can go to that thread and find 3 posts that say almost the exact same thing as he has said in here.  2 off the top of my head are the lighting rod crap (crutch) and the saying the person attacking him the most is town lean.  In that game it was me and in this game its Ithi.

But you are talking tone.  I'm gonna have to reset my frame of mind and think if I agree with a tone change.

 

[Ithillian Turambar]

The only thing I would say is, he didn't really catch any heat in that game early on.

 

And he did use his lightning rod phrase to negate any attempts on him.

 

I remember think wow this is such flak, but the players seemed to just let it ride.

 

I can't even remember when he did start actually getting votes or how he reacted then.

 

Unless that was when he was getting votes?

 

Anyways. Bedtime.

[SinisterDeath]

  On 5/29/2025 at 9:42 PM, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

What are your reads on those people you asked me and Ithi?

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I'll get to these in a minute.

 

  On 5/29/2025 at 11:55 PM, dicetosser1 said:

 

@SinisterDeath i dont care about lightning rods.  What I want from you?  Straight talk. Stop giving both sides all the time and tell me what YOU think. The both sides thing just makes you impossible to read

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You know, none of you have ever stopped to think... Maybe that's just how my mind works? Some of you think inside the box, others think outside the box, and I'm over here saying, where's a bloody box?

 

But sure... I'll try to give it my "best" with the above people I asked Heavy to give me his thoughts on.

 

Peace - Up to similar high strung antics as last game. Almost too similar. Seems to be holding a grudge from last game. OMGUS energy. 

 

Teph - Feels different, can't place the reason why. 

 

Gud - Gud laying the foundation of getting on my "good side" during N0, felt sus. 

 

Berf - I honestly don't have much to work with to really say. Wondering what Darthe saw that said "Wolf".

 

Leelou - She gave me a few soft "defenses" here and there, with more then enough wiggle room to back track if. I'd say is probably NAI, and is just something an experienced Mafia player would do. So... Null.

 

If you want me to say "this person is definitely wolf, or this person is definitely town".

 

I can't do that, not won't. I can't. I. Do. Not. Have. Enough. Information.

[peacesells]

Ok...what do people mean when they us  AI and NAI.  I know its artificial intelligence but what is the context?

[Shad_]

  On 5/30/2025 at 1:33 AM, peacesells said:

My first reaction is I can go to that thread and find 3 posts that say almost the exact same thing as he has said in here.  2 off the top of my head are the lighting rod crap (crutch) and the saying the person attacking him the most is town lean.  In that game it was me and in this game its Ithi.

But you are talking tone.  I'm gonna have to reset my frame of mind and think if I agree with a tone change.
 

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I think he said both of those in one of the ones I quoted.

 

Yeah "For whatever reason, I'm a fekking lighting rod in Mafia. Always have been."

 

Dismisses it, doesn't like it, never mind this thing about me it doesn't mean I'm a wolf.

 

Compare that to the first time I found him saying that this game

  

  On 5/28/2025 at 2:19 PM, SinisterDeath said:

7 Posts right out the gate and "looks" to be "Scum hunting".
Addresses Teph, Leelou, Tig, Peace, Heavy, Dice, Turin, Ithy, Gud, Ed, Shad, and Berf. Notice anyone missing from that list?

Yep that's right. Yours truly, the lightning rod extraordinaire.. and given that he took the time to Mention every players, and then said this,

I find it interesting that he left me off that list.

 

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He WANTS it!  He's ready for it!  Dude is actually sketched out by Darthe for not thinking he's a wolf!  Like, how villagery is that?  Come on.

 

Don't get hung up on people using the same turns of phrase.  We all have our own little schticks that we use as either alignment.  It's the thought behind it that counts.

 

[SinisterDeath]

  On 5/30/2025 at 1:44 AM, peacesells said:

Ok...what do people mean when they us  AI and NAI.  I know its artificial intelligence but what is the context?

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Non alignment indicating 

Pretty sure this has been covered before.

[peacesells]

  On 5/30/2025 at 1:52 AM, SinisterDeath said:

Non alignment indicating 

Pretty sure this has been covered before.

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It may have but not in the two games I've played.  But thank you.

[SinisterDeath]

  On 5/30/2025 at 1:44 AM, Shad_ said:

He WANTS it!  He's ready for it!  Dude is actually sketched out by Darthe for not thinking he's a wolf!  Like, how villagery is that?  Come on.

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Tbf, I was sketched out, by Darthe not mentioning me at all.

 

Like he went through all that trouble addressing everyone, and then purposely? Left me off that list. Lol

 

Like how much PTSD did I give him last game? Damn.

 

Hey @dicetosser1, what would happen if I say... Trust the dice?

[Shad_]

Ok now that we have all agreed to clear SD through endgame it is time to figure out who Turin's partners are.

[peacesells]

  On 5/30/2025 at 1:59 AM, Shad_ said:

Ok now that we have all agreed to clear SD through endgame it is time to figure out who Turin's partners are.

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There is no more perfect statement that matches your profile pic....but nice one.

[Shad_]

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I'm not voting Turin today by any means as I know he will ramp up his engagement in the game and I'll have better content to work with from him down the road, he is just beginning to fall behind relative to the other active members and I haven't seen anything to make me think he's town yet.

 

That being said I think Gud's a villager so I'm running low on options.

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  On 5/29/2025 at 12:24 PM, Gudrean said:

saving my thoughts for later

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  On 5/29/2025 at 9:53 PM, Gudrean said:

You got my post count? I guarantee it's bigger than 1/3 of the game 😘

There's not a dang thing suspicious about my game so far and you know it.

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  On 5/29/2025 at 10:06 PM, Gudrean said:

My point here is stop calling me a slanker when many other people are actually slanking or at the least having very low post counts.

 

You've played with me before so you know I have my own way of solving and no amount of poking is going to change that. When I know, you will all know. And again I have given reads on people when I had something to say. Not gonna say crap just to fill some quota!

 

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I like these posts from Gud, feels authentic

 

Nothing on the level of last time I played with her but that was her first game ever and those are always easy reads

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Heavy is like... every single post over and over again my head goes back to the exact same thought.  If he's a wolf he is a real natural at it and given another rand or two with a bit of coaching I'd take him on my mash wolf team any day.  It's the sort of situation where if I lost to him here I wouldn't even feel bad I'd be excited about it.  And that's like... especially given we're not going to have much in the way of wagonomics in this set-up, I can't lynch that right?  It's far more practical to assume he's town because the vast majority of first time wolves don't hit the ground running like this.

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I stand by my reasons for calling Ithi town.

 

Have I given peace too much of a pass on early good feels?  Maybe but this is the early game.  That carries up to a point.

 

Dice continues to trend in the right direction.

 

Who we got left?

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Berf types a lot of words but what does he really say with them? 

 

Early posts are just set-up spec I think, possibly a post or two I missed because searching on this site is hard.

 

Page 16 he just talks about Darthe, a confirmed villager.  Not hunting wolves.

 

Pages 17 and 18 he coughs up his case on SD.  Page 18 gets pretty conspiratorial and dependent on future events that haven't happened yet.  We've got some if SD is a wolf he might do x later in the game as justification for calling SD a wolf right now.  We've got a deep plot in which SD makes himself look as wolfy as possible intentionally for the purpose of being able to claim that he must be a villager because a wolf would not make himself look wolfy.  In the original page 17 take he includes such gotchas as SD said wolves know he is a villager but how does SD know there are no 3p?   Ho ho!  His other reasons on page 17 are fine and he did do that refers to his notes thing that I illogically like.

 

Page 20 he pops in to defend himself, fine but nothing to contribute on the rest of the field.  Page 22 wall is mostly about peace's wanting to be the third vote schtick which is.... not really hunting wolves?  Page 25 is mostly commentary on what's happening, again without much alignment-relevant thought.

 

  

  On 5/29/2025 at 2:50 AM, berf said:

Given I do find SD's interactions (mentions and non-mentions, really) with Darthe to be sus before this convo regardless, I guess I'm just feeding my own beliefs with this proxy observation. But the pieces fit together for me, so onward I press. I've no better candidate.

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  On 5/29/2025 at 2:17 PM, berf said:

 

I still would have voted SD tbh. I don't see a reason not to once I'd gathered what I deemed enough info to cast it. 

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  On 5/30/2025 at 12:08 AM, berf said:

 

Same as SD though really - nothing I've seen post voting has changed my opinion that he's likely mafia.

 

 

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He's extremely content to ride the SD thing.

Just can't find any other wolves.

But he never tries to find other wolves.  

Villagers can have strong convictions and villagers can be a bit conspiratorial so I don't want to say his push and focus on SD alone is damning but

He seems so very content to ride it out and not worry about the other 12 players, despite being pretty consistently engaged in the game.

 

Vote: berf

 

Let's kill this guy and see what happens.

 

I could be wrong but I don't have any noteworthy second thoughts about it.  I'm going to mostly peace out for the rest of this phase and I'm not around much on weekends.    Kindly leave my villagers alone for now and for goodness sake don't lynch SinisterDeath.

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  On 5/29/2025 at 1:55 AM, berf said:

So 

 

Townish on Ithi, Turin, ... Maybe shad? I liked the few contributions that were made there.

 

Mafia-ish on Heavy, Peace. Just based on me not liking interactions that were had in these corners. I don't think it's likely for Peace, Heavy, and SD to all be mafia, but I suspect at least one there is. I know huge call, 3/14 odds. SD flipping mafia (oh nooooo) doesn't preclude me thinking more about these players it should be said.

 

Neutral on Leelou and Teph, they've been in the thread but I've not absorbed anything notable from these corners.

 

Null on Gud, dice, Tigraine, and Ed. More from these 4 would be most enlightening. 

 

But until then,

 

Vote SinisterDeath

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Quoting this as a counterpoint because he did yield one batch of reads.  I didn't think much of it but it's worth noting that it exists.

 

I don't see him actually engaging on this stuff though.  Very armchair about everything but SD.  Even SD he never addressed directly despite SD actively posting throughout our back and forth.  Play style?  Eh maybe but it doesn't sit right with me.