Camp Dreadfall Mafia Game -- GAME OVER -- MAFIA WIN!

[Tigraine]

40 minutes ago, DPR said:

Does Mafia!Darthe accuse Heavy of being coached if they are Mafia together? 
 

I gotta go back and look, but when Darthe started pushing that, I don’t think I’d voted him yet. Were we looking at over-confident Darthe doing a little triage on Heavy shifting gears from emo to calculating? 

 

I've leaned town on Heavy all game until his 'well, shoot' reaction which i dont understand.

 

I've had a question or 2 for Heavy that I never saw the answer on.  It was irt a couple of posts where he quoted me but I'd have to search to find them.  

[Tigraine]

9 minutes ago, DPR said:

Does Mafia!SD start the game with a TWTBAW strategy and keep it going to the point of moving his vote to ensure his own lynch?

 

Only to have dice pull a last minute save?

 

 

 

 

Was SD active during EoD?  I haven't made it back that far yet cause I wanted to catch up on the most recent posts. 

[Ithillian Turambar]

5 hours and 17 minutes till end of Night 2

[HeavyHalfMoonBlade]

2 minutes ago, Tigraine said:

18 hours ago, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

Well, shoot. 

 

I saw you had "explained" this reaction but can you re-explain cause my simple brain doesn't get this reaction to lynching mafia...did you maybe mean to post that in your scum chat?  Honestly, this just really stuck out to me.  I haven't thought you scum the whole game but not wanting to over celebrate does not explain being disappointed.

First, I'm not an American, I have never once said the above exclamation and maybe my use of it was slightly off key. To take you through my thought process, I wasn't confident of being right, I just didn't see many better options and Darthe's reaction didn't make sense. Then there was a deliberate last second switch and so I pessimistically was building myself up for the disappointment of being wrong, again, of Town losing but at least the game would be over and... [name in RED] well, shoot. It was a kind of mixture of surprise, anticlimax, relief and disappointment the game was going to torture me more. And yes there was a bit of me that wanted to shout YES! But I wanted to keep it classy. There was a lot of emotions chasing themselves about in my head at that point. 

[DPR]

20 hours ago, keyholder21 said:

Official Vote Count

 

SD (3) - Dice, Darthe, Turin

Darthe (2) - DPR, Heavy

 

Not Voting (3): Tig, Eddie, SD, 

 

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch

 

Day 2 Deadline

 

19 hours ago, keyholder21 said:

Deadline is in 30 minutes.

 

18 hours ago, SinisterDeath said:

Is the wolf feeling the pressure?

 

Vote Turin

 

18 hours ago, Ithillian Turambar said:

Official Vote Count

 

SD (3) - Dice, Darthe, Turin

Darthe (2) - DPR, Heavy

Turin (1) - SD

 

Not Voting 32): Tig, Eddie

 

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch

 

Day 2 Deadline

@Tigraine This is SD’s vote 30 mins before deadline

[Tigraine]

Just now, DPR said:

 

 

 

@Tigraine This is SD’s vote 30 mins before deadline

 

So he was active at least until that point.  Even if he thought Darthe town, it seems highly unlikely that he'd try to get another train started that last minute instead of giving himself a 50/50 chance of surviving by tying the votes for no reason.  Is that a fair assumption? 

[DPR]

3 minutes ago, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

First, I'm not an American, I have never once said the above exclamation and maybe my use of it was slightly off key. To take you through my thought process, I wasn't confident of being right, I just didn't see many better options and Darthe's reaction didn't make sense. Then there was a deliberate last second switch and so I pessimistically was building myself up for the disappointment of being wrong, again, of Town losing but at least the game would be over and... [name in RED] well, shoot. It was a kind of mixture of surprise, anticlimax, relief and disappointment the game was going to torture me more. And yes there was a bit of me that wanted to shout YES! But I wanted to keep it classy. There was a lot of emotions chasing themselves about in my head at that point. 

I can believe this

[HeavyHalfMoonBlade]

Gah. I want to say all the wolves are simply on SD, but then why change? Why bus a teammate? It is seems so pointless. 

[Tigraine]

1 minute ago, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

Gah. I want to say all the wolves are simply on SD, but then why change? Why bus a teammate? It is seems so pointless. 

 

I feel like SD has made some waves all game...maybe they thought it was a done deal? But idk if that tracks with Darthe being on him for 2 days.  I just cannot understand SD not giving himself a chance to survive

[DPR]

4 minutes ago, Tigraine said:

 

So he was active at least until that point.  Even if he thought Darthe town, it seems highly unlikely that he'd try to get another train started that last minute instead of giving himself a 50/50 chance of surviving by tying the votes for no reason.  Is that a fair assumption? 

He said he did it because he thought it was a hammer game and he wanted to avoid a mislynch on a town player. 

[DPR]

But does that even make sense?

 

[HeavyHalfMoonBlade]

@Tigraine you were taking about your "proud" comment, but I don't remember any questions. 

 

It is just in the last game Ithi sort of outed herself by saying she was proud or something of me not lying down and dying - which kind of meant she had to know I was town or think it, though in fact she was pushing for my elimination at the time. Your comment was similar, except you could have just read me as town and nor would your compliment be completely out of place even if I was mafia. 

[Tigraine]

1 minute ago, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

@Tigraine you were taking about your "proud" comment, but I don't remember any questions. 

 

It is just in the last game Ithi sort of outed herself by saying she was proud or something of me not lying down and dying - which kind of meant she had to know I was town or think it, though in fact she was pushing for my elimination at the time. Your comment was similar, except you could have just read me as town and nor would your compliment be completely out of place even if I was mafia. 

 

Okay yeah, i remember.  I responded about you keeping emotions in check.  So there was no question there but I swear I had one on something else.   Hang on, I'll see. 

[HeavyHalfMoonBlade]

The trouble is SD had more wrong than it was a hammer game. He also thought it was 4 votes to hammer instead of 5. So even though Darthe was on his wtl list, he felt Turin was pushing him to vote and then Turin would hammer (though that actually needed another vote). That was why he voted for Turin so no majority could be met. It is so not a convincing excuse it is kind of convincing. 

[Tigraine]

2 minutes ago, DPR said:

But does that even make sense?

 

 

Not to me lol but maybe it does to others.  Not much makes sense in my head anymore 

[SinisterDeath]

3 hours ago, DPR said:

Why was SD not protecting himself? If SD is to be believed, because he really thought it was a hammer game and he wanted to move to night without a mislynch. Or, if SD is mafia, because he thought Darthe’s role was more valuable than SD’s? 
 

The crux for those question lay in whether or not SD is acting, or playing a genuine game. 

 

Mafia is a game of deception, So there is no expectation to believe others even when they are telling the truth. I was a legitimate dumb ass and thought that we needed a hammer vote to get a day lynch, and that Turin was goading me into hammering Darthe and that felt sus as hell. I instead, choose to vote Turin out of spite. Believe me, don't believe me. But that's the truth. lol 

[SinisterDeath]

10 minutes ago, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

The trouble is SD had more wrong than it was a hammer game. He also thought it was 4 votes to hammer instead of 5. So even though Darthe was on his wtl list, he felt Turin was pushing him to vote and then Turin would hammer (though that actually needed another vote). That was why he voted for Turin so no majority could be met. It is so not a convincing excuse it is kind of convincing. 

I was too busy joking about Darthe attending Zoolander's center for kids who can't read good, that I must have forgotten that I went there to...

[HeavyHalfMoonBlade]

3 minutes ago, SinisterDeath said:

I was too busy joking about Darthe attending Zoolander's center for kids who can't read good, that I must have forgotten that I went there to...

Still got my eye on you though, lol. Everyone but Tigs is so suspicious, and how suspicious is that? FML, lol. 

[SinisterDeath]

6 minutes ago, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

Still got my eye on you though, lol. Everyone but Tigs is so suspicious, and how suspicious is that? FML, lol. 

Welcome to Mafia.

[DPR]

21 hours ago, keyholder21 said:

Official Vote Count

 

SD (3) - Dice, Darthe, Turin

Darthe (2) - DPR, Heavy

 

Not Voting (3): Tig, Eddie, SD, 

 

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch

 

Day 2 Deadline

@SinisterDeath This was the vote count before you voted. 
 

1. You misunderstood the rules and thought it was a hammer game - okay - and you thought it only 4 votes to lynch - okay - but you were at L1.

 

So to prevent a mislynch of Darthe, and because of spite toward Turin, you started a pointless counter train, and left yourself open to a mislynch of yourself? 
 

Or focusing on spite, you were so overcome by Turin pushing you (and everyone) to vote that you decided it was more important to vote him and leave yourself open to a mislynch? 
 

A town player knows that they are town - it’s the only thing they know for sure. Leaving yourself open to a hammer vote because of fear of a smaller strain leading to a mislynch or because of spite doesn’t sound very plausible 

[Tigraine]

I'm trying to get everything read but I can't just skim...did Turin ever actually say what his role was?

[SinisterDeath]

9 minutes ago, DPR said:

So to prevent a mislynch of Darthe, and because of spite toward Turin, you started a pointless counter train, and left yourself open to a mislynch of yourself? 
 

Or focusing on spite, you were so overcome by Turin pushing you (and everyone) to vote that you decided it was more important to vote him and leave yourself open to a mislynch?

If you were paying attention, I also thought that without a hammer, there'd be no day lynch. I still have no idea where the hell I got that idea from. At that point, I didn't even realized we had a random.org rule on a tie, and for some reason I thought we needed 4 to lynch, not 5.

 

So here I am, thinking a Wolf!Turin wants to pounce on Town!Darthe for an easy mafia victory.

Clearly I was wrong. About a lot of things.

 

 

[DPR]

On 5/18/2025 at 4:53 PM, DPR said:

Vote Darthe

 

Maybe I’m wrong but I don’t see where Turin and I are seen as town on town violence. You either buy into his terrible case building on me or you agree with my points and questions to him, but not both. 

 

I’ve also asked twice about your reasons for having SD as scum. Maybe you’re busy. Maybe you’re slanking. Either way, the clock is ticking

 

Front and center young man

 

 

 

On 5/18/2025 at 5:02 PM, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

Gah. Why are you agreeing with my gut reads, pirate? 

 

But could you clarify, T/T violence is where you are both wrong. Why would Darthe need to agree with you both? He is saying your arguments against each other are wrong, not right. 

 

Though I don't trust him, and I don't think it is due to anything I can explain. FML. 

 

On 5/18/2025 at 5:31 PM, Darthe said:

It’s not a formalized case, I’ve not had the time to make something like that.  There are a few things that all point me in the same direction, and I’m inclined to believe that if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck… ya know.

 

first, and probably the weakest point, is the nonsense about dice rolling and tarots cards and etc.  he’ll be quick to refute this as something he doesn’t believe, but he keeps using it in lieu of something he actually does believe.  The lack of belief and gimmick crutch aren’t some magic wolfy tell but they are -ev.

 

second, and this one stood out to me so much I’m still sitting on it multiple RL days later, is that post he made where he bounced off of EPs read to justify throwing trash at me.  He shouldn’t know EP is town, and it read so clearly as him opportunistically inflaming any divisions.  Particularly I thought this was coordination of they were both wolves.  Not true in hindsight, but I still think it’s wolfy independently of their connection.

 

third, and most important to sustaining my read, is wagonomics.  The d1 lynch got swung away from him despite him being the early train, it came back to him near EoD, and the peace wagon went all his way once he had 4 votes.  Peace went from either 3 to 6 or 4 to 6 votes at that point.  I commented on this last night, but with the hindsight of today’s flips it’s real interesting where the confirmed town were, adding myself in from my perspective.

 

beyond these ^ I’d rather take a strong gut d1 read over playing follow the leader.  All in all it’s enough for me to take my celebrity shot.

 

On 5/18/2025 at 5:43 PM, Darthe said:

This is the sort of “yes and” post that I’m nervous about from you heavy.  It’s not damned if you do, damned if you don’t, but you went from one game ago needing to be told that mafia isn’t a role playing game to making precise and confident inferences about posts you’re interpreting.  That smacks of high level coaching. Again, not a target for me today, but this is my “paranoia” pick for a deep wolf right now.  

 

On 5/18/2025 at 5:50 PM, Darthe said:

Dangerous to vote like this to make a point today, you’re gonna get what I get when I get it regardless but I don’t like that in MYLO.  I think Turin is wrong town, but town.  I think your response to him is overly defensive and that’s affecting your case.  If he’s a deep wolf then it’s a topic for when the other two are dead.  He thinks you’re a wolf, so I’d make that same point to him.  Ideally, I’d like to bridge the gap between you two and get a core going.  Surely we can agree that there’s a clearer path forward than trying to resolve the two players who’ve put the most into hunting.  That’d be a dumb way to lose if wrong.

 

On 5/18/2025 at 5:55 PM, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

See? Again this interplay between Darthe and Turin. It feels slimey.

 

And yet would it be any different if they were town and both were correctly sussing SD of being a wolf? 

 

But I really don't like this. Darthe is shooting down my criticism of Turin's fairly tenuous case against SD by making indirect criticism of me. If my inferences are precise and confident, shouldnt you be listening to them, even if you don't agree with them? You have me at a town read, but that will erode if I say anything with precision and confidence?

 

Well, points win prizes, votes win games, time to toss the dice and see the results. 

 

On 5/18/2025 at 5:56 PM, Darthe said:

There’s again an element of wagonomics to it.  He was on SD all day as a joke vote and switched to peace at the end.  I’m super confident in him being a wolf *if* SD is a wolf.  This is why not having a cop sucks.

 

On 5/18/2025 at 5:57 PM, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

VOTE DARTHE

 

On 5/18/2025 at 5:59 PM, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

Also the role playing comment. That is Turin's language, a comment he has made a few times. Why is it coming out of Darthe's mouth? 

 

On 5/18/2025 at 6:13 PM, Darthe said:

Aaand Heavy is back in the WTL pool.

 

Point by point here, so no one can miss this.

 

The first paragraph is pure crap flinging.  
 

The second paragraph is an “oh no im new and dont know any better” type lawyer-asking-the-bench question thrown to the open air. In a world of red flags that one is crimson.

The meat paragraph has a couple of points. The chainsaw defense argument is fantastically hypocritical since this post itself is a chainsaw defense of the cases we are both making against SD.  
 

To the second half (which I think is fairly NAI fwiw as no one new likes to have their alignment questioned) yes a new player who is being town read on being incompetent in a way that seems sincere pings when they suddenly appear competent.  Congrats on making the step from “this person has no idea what they’re talking about” to “they’re bad at this but I get why they think what they do”.  Skipping five steps to “they’re good at this” in the middle of a game does ping, yeah?

 

If the team is SD, Ed, Heavy I am happy with my play here.  Still wanna lynch in that order atm.

 

On 5/18/2025 at 6:22 PM, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

Love the OMGUS energy, really should get the thread bouncing. 

 

So you are doubling down on the point my "case" against you is too refined for a poor player like me to have come up with? That almost sounds like deflection. 

 

Also I will happily admit I have no idea what a chainsaw defense is. Does anyone else? Would it be reasonable to think anyone should understand it? For all I know it is a common mafia term, googling it just comes up with fairly worrying hits about chainsaws being used for home protection and self defense, which I'm pretty sure they are not meant for. 

 

Your response seems totally out of proportion. 

 

On 5/18/2025 at 6:25 PM, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

I wish I had the confidence that Darthe accuses me of. About the only other thing that has really pinged me is Tigs being proud of me. Which surely means she must be pretty confident that I'm town? A good read or TMI? Nah, sorry just more WIFOM. 

 

On 5/18/2025 at 6:45 PM, Darthe said:

Accusing me of deflecting immediately after that first line is classic projection.  
 

Regarding your case against me, I’ve yet to see one.  More importantly, I’ve yet to see a legitimate response to any points made against you.  Deflect if you want, but I’m gonna try to get you lynched if you throw out points at a skill level that you can’t match when asked for accountability on those same points.

 

On 5/18/2025 at 6:45 PM, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

So rude, lol. 

 

*fake gasp and clutches pearls*

 

On 5/18/2025 at 6:46 PM, Darthe said:

I think you’re town but this reads like you know their alignment.  Not even a thought to whether the points against them have validity. -1 town point

 

On 5/18/2025 at 6:47 PM, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

Not gonna lie this sounds desperate. Really tone-wise nothing like your normal posts, and the threatening at the end? Sure, you do you, boo. 

 

On 5/18/2025 at 6:51 PM, Darthe said:

^ there’s the coaching at play, gg Heavy.  Happy to hydra with you and get you there as town in a future game dude.

 

vote: heavy

Off topic regarding SD, but here’s the progression of Darthe accusing Heavy of being coached and what followed

 

Is it distracting or just good old fashioned omgus? 

[Ithillian Turambar]

4 hours and 18 minutes till end of Night 2

 

Please remember to submit Night actions if necessary. 

[DPR]

10 minutes ago, Tigraine said:

I'm trying to get everything read but I can't just skim...did Turin ever actually say what his role was?

No. He even walked the claim back and said he may or may not even have a role. 
 

And it’s Turin, so it went on for, like, forever. 
 

Was it AI? That is the question