Camp Dreadfall Mafia Game -- GAME OVER -- MAFIA WIN!

[DPR]

@Darthe We’re at MyLo and that’s only if the Vig was 1x. 
 

I was waiting to see who was gonna bring that up 
 

Last night’s Doc skip and Vig yolo did as much damage as Gabe’s emo explosion
 

Town now has to lynch Mafia 3 days in a row to win

 

Game has 3 Mafia as per the setup

 

DL is tomorrow afternoon

[Darthe]

Okay, in consideration of that I’m taking this game semi hostage.

 

no offense, just don’t trust any of you to be both 1) town and 2) make good decisions.

 

I will not be voting Wes, Turin, or Heavy today.  Probably not tomorrow either.  I am 90% sure ima be voting SD.  Feel free to make cases as you will between the rest, though Ed is the second most likely to persuade me.  
 

also I guess heavy less deserves to be in that top 3 than the other two.  Uhhhhhh ima stick to it for now

[DPR]

13 minutes ago, Darthe said:

Okay, in consideration of that I’m taking this game semi hostage.

 

no offense, just don’t trust any of you to be both 1) town and 2) make good decisions.

 

I will not be voting Wes, Turin, or Heavy today.  Probably not tomorrow either.  I am 90% sure ima be voting SD.  Feel free to make cases as you will between the rest, though Ed is the second most likely to persuade me.  
 

also I guess heavy less deserves to be in that top 3 than the other two.  Uhhhhhh ima stick to it for now

Can you give me the quick and dirty on your case against SD? 

[Turin Turambar]

47 minutes ago, Darthe said:

Okay, in consideration of that I’m taking this game semi hostage.

 

no offense, just don’t trust any of you to be both 1) town and 2) make good decisions.

 

I will not be voting Wes, Turin, or Heavy today.  Probably not tomorrow either.  I am 90% sure ima be voting SD.  Feel free to make cases as you will between the rest, though Ed is the second most likely to persuade me.  
 

also I guess heavy less deserves to be in that top 3 than the other two.  Uhhhhhh ima stick to it for now

Why Ed? 

 

 

[Ithillian Turambar]

It is now Day 2.

 

Official Vote Count

 

SD - 1 (Dice)

DPR - 1 (Turin)

 

Not Voting (6): Heavy, DPR, Darthe, Tig, Eddie, SD

 

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch

 

Day 2 Deadline

[Ithillian Turambar]

27 hours and 45 minutes till end of Day 2

 

Which is weird cos that makes it 10 past the hour...

[Turin Turambar]

This imo is SD's first serious game post where he replies to Tephulis giving reads.

Spoiler

On 5/14/2025 at 5:14 AM, SinisterDeath said:

It's Day 1, my guess after a multi-year hiatus, he's pivoting his play style a little from the last game that only happened a few weeks ago to not get burned out. I wouldn't stress too much on this read. 

 

🤣

 

I'm looking at it as more like, Heavy just doesn't like getting rolled up on. It's also D1.

 

Here's the quote.

Being wary of someone new isn't a bad thing, specially if they have a pro over their shoulder.

 

Darthe clearly flubbed on the unprompted reads.

Was Darthe lying? Or did he just not see DPRs request? I dunno.

Or is this indicative of a DPR x Typh wolf team with coaching as we can clearly see those two going back and forth and asking for a read specifically from Typh?

 

Speaking of.

 

 

I always find it interesting that DPR isn't actually giveing an opinion, but is prompting others for their opinion. 😁

 

Anyways, back to GK...

 

Not rum, but an Extra large Margarita.

Margaritas have Tequila.

I suspect that even though Tequila isn't rum, it'll likely get him even drunker... I just hope he keeps his pants on, we don't need to see Papa Roach.

 

For sure.

The only thing I have from him is, he loved without a Paddle, and he voted Ed because Ed voted for me first. Lol

 

My thoughts?

 

Dice loved Without a Paddle, and Tigraine enjoyed the bear scene.

 

Turin choose Addams Family Values, where Wednesday sets the Camp Staff on Fire, because they tried to get her group of campers to play the Native Americans in the Thanksgiving Play with the Pilgrims. (Clearly she had valid reasons for doing so)

 

Heavy Choose Hateful Eight / The Abominable Dr. Phibes, two movies I'm not familiar with.

 

DPR choose Friday the 13th (on today, the 13th). The movie about the mother who takes revenge on the Campers who stay at the Camp, because she feels they are all responsible for killing her son.

 

Darthe choose Cabin in the woods, and if you go with GK's interpretation of the events that have unfolded, then Darthe has infact, Chris Hemsworthed it into that wall. Lmao

 

Everyone else either hasn't choose a movie, or refused to choose one because they don't watch "horror movies", even though I gave everyone an out by picking any movie of any genre that takes place at a camp, or the woods.

 

IMO not answering participating says more then participating.

 

Participating, may or may not give me some indication about what your surface thoughts are regarding the game.. It may mean nothing at all.

 

It is day 1 after all. Aside from Claims, and some other random stuff, who people vote for, is probably going to get us more information for D2 then anything else.

 

Also, I haven't read any other post since my last one, so I'm sure I have some more I need to read.

The first bit is about DPR. When I first read it it sounded defending DPR and I wondered why? Reading it again it sounds like he KNOWS DPR alignment, or he's vouching for him. Whether they are teammates it doesn't say (my opinion is yes) but I think it looks really bad on SD.

 

He talks about Heavy and Tephulis briefly. I don't really see much there. Then he talks about Darthe, he insinuates Darthe misled about Tephulis being prompted. Meh,

 

Most of the rest is just fluff except where he says "who people vote for, is probably going to get us more information..." and then didn't vote until nearly the end of the day. He was right about the first part but left out it's maybe even more important how and why they vote. So he knew it was important to vote and then just decided not to.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[DPR]

5 minutes ago, Turin Turambar said:

This imo is SD's first serious game post where he replies to Tephulis giving reads.

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The first bit is about DPR. When I first read it it sounded defending DPR and I wondered why? Reading it again it sounds like he KNOWS DPR alignment, or he's vouching for him. Whether they are teammates it doesn't say (my opinion is yes) but I think it looks really bad on SD.

 

He talks about Heavy and Tephulis briefly. I don't really see much there. Then he talks about Darthe, he insinuates Darthe misled about Tephulis being prompted. Meh,

 

Most of the rest is just fluff except where he says "who people vote for, is probably going to get us more information..." and then didn't vote until nearly the end of the day. He was right about the first part but left out it's maybe even more important how and why they vote. So he knew it was important to vote and then just decided not to.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Just for the sake of accuracy, I make a point of changing my style often. I also make a point to mention this just as often. 
 

Anyone spectating the last few games, including SD, will have seen this. 

[Turin Turambar]

This is SD replying to me advocating about "I'm town". Can someone make it make sense?

Spoiler

On 5/14/2025 at 2:23 PM, SinisterDeath said:

As I mentioned prior, I have only a handful of games under my belt here... I literally do not know all the acronyms, and if ya'll are using custom ones that aren't in the dictionaries I have no idea what you're saying.

 

With that in mind it seems to me, that proclaiming you're town early is a double edged sword.

 

A Wolf can go and quote someone that proclaimed they were a Townie on Day 1, in conjunction with  evidence contradictory statements to proclaim that said townie is in fact, a wolf.

A Wolf can also quote someone that proclaimed they were a Townie on Day 1, in conjunction with town leaning evidence as to why that person is definitely a town.

Obviously a Townie can do the same thing and claim that the person is a Wolf.

But you also fall into the trap that the Wolf or the Townie can also say [____] never claimed town, thus they must be a [___]!

So, are you trying to get everyone here to proclaim themselves a Townie so you can later use that against them or to support their town claim as it behooves you? 😉

If the answer is he just doesn't get it then fair enough I guess. But it hurts my head.

 

I think I read it as attempt at WIFOM to discredit the idea. BTW,  part of the game is everyone is claiming to be town. This strategy just tests if everyone has the courage to do it directly. 

Spoiler

Hint: they should even if they are mafia, but psychology is a weird thing.

 

 

 

 

[HeavyHalfMoonBlade]

10 minutes ago, Turin Turambar said:

This imo is SD's first serious game post where he replies to Tephulis giving reads.

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The first bit is about DPR. When I first read it it sounded defending DPR and I wondered why? Reading it again it sounds like he KNOWS DPR alignment, or he's vouching for him. Whether they are teammates it doesn't say (my opinion is yes) but I think it looks really bad on SD.

 

He talks about Heavy and Tephulis briefly. I don't really see much there. Then he talks about Darthe, he insinuates Darthe misled about Tephulis being prompted. Meh,

 

Most of the rest is just fluff except where he says "who people vote for, is probably going to get us more information..." and then didn't vote until nearly the end of the day. He was right about the first part but left out it's maybe even more important how and why they vote. So he knew it was important to vote and then just decided not to.

 

 

 

 

 

 

In that quote SD also defends me and also brings up DPR asking for info but not giving any. Hard to see this as any more than WIFOM instead of a connection. 

[Turin Turambar]

4 minutes ago, DPR said:

Just for the sake of accuracy, I make a point of changing my style often. I also make a point to mention this just as often. 
 

Anyone spectating the last few games, including SD, will have seen this. 

So you think the "shouldn't worry about this read" bit isn't suspicious??

 

I didn't  care about the thought he gave it was about defending and basically clearing at that point despite him in fact having you down his list when it came out I believe. 

 

I'll have to keep slogging through the spam to check.

[HeavyHalfMoonBlade]

2 minutes ago, Turin Turambar said:

This is SD replying to me advocating about "I'm town". Can someone make it make sense?

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If the answer is he just doesn't get it then fair enough I guess. But it hurts my head.

 

I think I read it as attempt at WIFOM to discredit the idea. BTW,  part of the game is everyone is claiming to be town. This strategy just tests if everyone has the courage to do it directly. 

  Reveal hidden contents

Hint: they should even if they are mafia, but psychology is a weird thing.

 

 

 

 

On this point, I agree. It is very strange. Claiming to be town is entirely NAI and how that could ever be used in an argument someone is either town or mafia left me totally baffled. 

 

But I don't really see the point of trying to discredit it, either you say you are clearly town or not, I don't see how this would muddy the water for anyone. 

 

But it is definitely noteworthy. 

[Turin Turambar]

4 minutes ago, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

In that quote SD also defends me and also brings up DPR asking for info but not giving any. Hard to see this as any more than WIFOM instead of a connection. 

But he didn't tell people to not worry about you. That is the concerning line to me. 

 

[HeavyHalfMoonBlade]

1 minute ago, Turin Turambar said:

But he didn't tell people to not worry about you. That is the concerning line to me. 

 

I'd say that is still implied, and would wolves so obviously defend each other? SD starts a long post with that, why not stick it somewhere in the middle? Why not deliberately make it the same wording as regards me? I mean I'm not saying it is impossible but it seems tenuous. Though there doesn't seem to be a lot to go on at the moment

[Turin Turambar]

1 minute ago, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

On this point, I agree. It is very strange. Claiming to be town is entirely NAI and how that could ever be used in an argument someone is either town or mafia left me totally baffled. 

 

But I don't really see the point of trying to discredit it, either you say you are clearly town or not, I don't see how this would muddy the water for anyone. 

 

But it is definitely noteworthy. 

Discrediting the idea itself gives cover to not have to say it and to get people to not respect if they get called out for "awkward phrasing " later.

 

DPR used disdain to do it earlier with his posts talking about my "fascination" with the LD role. In truth my advocacy is more about psychology and less about mechanics. 

[Turin Turambar]

3 minutes ago, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

I'd say that is still implied, and would wolves so obviously defend each other? SD starts a long post with that, why not stick it somewhere in the middle? Why not deliberately make it the same wording as regards me? I mean I'm not saying it is impossible but it seems tenuous. Though there doesn't seem to be a lot to go on at the moment

Disagree but I can see what you are saying. My mafia hero Shad says wolf in plain sight, so yes I think it is conceivable that they would. Possibly even subconsciously. 

 

Maybe you are their third? Lololololol

I dunno, but his defense of you did not seem at the same level as that for DPR. 

[Turin Turambar]

SD last (maybe only based on his wording) town to mafia list of D1.

Spoiler

On 5/16/2025 at 2:57 AM, SinisterDeath said:

Sorry this took awhile. I've been going back and forth between reading some older posts, and being indecisive.

 

Then the kids went and decided right before bedtime that now was the best time to work on their homework... 

 

Most town to least town

HeavyHalfMoonBlade*

dicetosser1

Tephulis

Tigraine

ed2funny

peacesells*

Darthe

DPR*

Turin Turambar

Gabriel Kross

This is in response to GK asking about the asterisks.

On 5/16/2025 at 3:06 AM, SinisterDeath said:

Their positions could radically change depending on their actions.

 

I have Heavy are Core Town, but one bad interaction with DPR could have them switch places.

How in the world does 1 interaction swap two people from top town to in bottom 3?? I would think only a flip could do that. I mean a slip could move one down but not the other up. At least that's my view.

 

Also that it's DPR and Heavy is somewhat concerning. Yes I see Peace there too, which doesn't make it any better for me.

 

 

[Turin Turambar]

These are SD reads from start of D2. I think this is all anti spew.

Spoiler

19 hours ago, SinisterDeath said:

I told you these dice results can be spooky as all hell! lol

 

And Teph's original card pull, ironically hit with the night kill.  

 

Remember how I've repeatedly said I believe Tarot is 10,000% bullshit? But the the dice (Actual dice, not dice the user, don't go running off and making a bloody connection where there isn't one Turin, I know you like to do that. lol)
 

So what truth's might we gleam from Tephs death?

  
While I appreciate Turin' arguing back and forth with GK over my vote for Peace and how that may or may not have been something a town or scum would do in that situation. 

I'll just say every Player has 2 goals. 

• Stay in the game as long as possible.
• Find the Scum (Or if your mafia, try to make it look like your looking for scum)

I find it funny that I was getting so much scrutiny for voting peace "last minute", after being goaded for how many pages to put a vote on anyone by Peace, (I finally did put one on GK when I was just getting annoyed with him. And he'd been pretty high on my scum list for awhile.)

Yet, it seemed only a few of us gave any scrutiny to Peace's placing their weird ass voteo n me in the first place, when Peace was all like "SD and Teph are wolves, but I'm voting SD".
 

  

  

  

So Peace kept their vote on me, even though they felt in their gut that Teph was more of a wolf then I was, trying to play that game of where will the votes go, and unfortunately they lost that game of Russian roulette. 
I drew this card for Peace.  

I didn't make roll to see if it was upside right or down. Upside down would probably mean, don't listen to your gut. lol

 

 

The exact verbiage used in Turin's post didn't say they were role claiming, just positing the "what should someone with that role" if they were that role.
And I'm looking at Turin as shooting Teph cause it just makes sense. (Though I'm surprised he didn't shoot my ass! lmao)

Going through the laundry list.

Ed - looking mighty stinky after still not really posting anything really serious, and I don't know how much more benefit of the doubt we can give him. I have him as scum lean just below Neutral.

Tig - You came in hot against Peace and then you brought my name up a lot. Careful, or you're going to get Turin all up in your grill. I have you as my neutral position right now... Mainly because you've been really busy, and you're homicidal without your meds. 

DPR - I look at his posts and I'm seeing what appears to be low effort scum hunting that's more aimed at pulling content from others, then  Ya'll want me to be more "assertive" in my "language", and the best I got for you here is that DPR is not acting like was last game. I can't know if that's just because he's drowning his liver in Martini's to make the pain of this thread go away, or if he's scumming it up. That's why I've pushed him down the list towards scum lean.

Darthe - He attended Zoolanders school for children that no read good, and requests no reads lists. So here you go bud.

I answered your questions, but everything I write is to "wishy washy" for ya'll. So how this. I think you're a "town lean", and your "gut" as town really sucks. lolol

Let me just let this sit here for a moment, while I move on to Dicetosser.

 

Dicetosser - Dice was like a lot of us getting irritated with GK.   
Earlier in the day, Dice and Turing interacted.

 

Then later in the evening, we get what looks to be distancing from Turin?

Other then that, most of what I'm getting on Dice has been arguing with GK on his cop claim, and then after Peace flips town, he starts defending my vote on Peace. He also does the same thing with Heavy.

 

  

This is why I only have you as a scum lean. You getting into it with GK like this, and then GK getting shot looks scummy, but maybe because someone's trying to set you up. or it's a double fake out. (stupid wifom!)

Heavy - I can only keep you up on my town list for so long buddy. I should rightly push you down to neutral, but I'll keep you here for right now just to annoy Turin.

 

Turin - Between you, GK, and Peace, you all have been all up on my ass all game. It's (looks at clock) 6:11pm and I gotta start making dinner, so I won't be able to start looking for some handy quotes for you... on my read for you, but you have a penchant for making all kinds of connections that aren't there. You'll latch onto a few details that seem like they're important, much like Tarot, and then you fill in the blanks with these connections.

Speaking of Tarot, remember the ones I pulled on you? "Judgement" and "Cavern". Did they make you sweat a little? lololol
 

 

HeavyHalfMoonBlade - Town
Darthe - Town Lean
Tigraine - Neutral
ed2funny - Scum Lean
dicetosser1 - Scum Lean
DPR - Scum Lean

Turin Turambar - Scum 

I copied his quote with the tldr version to the end so I could see it. I compared this to the previous one I posted earlier. The only people that actually moved were Dice going from 2nd townie behind Heavy to 3rd from the bottom. Darthe swapped with him. Did SD just confuse what he wrote before?? He stated that he moved DPR down, but he is in EXACTLY the same spot at next to the bottom just above me. Did he think we wouldn't look?

 

Yeah, I'm pretty convinced SD and DPR are 2 of our 3 mafias. I'm gonna take a break.

[DPR]

4 hours ago, Darthe said:

Okay, in consideration of that I’m taking this game semi hostage.

 

no offense, just don’t trust any of you to be both 1) town and 2) make good decisions.

 

I will not be voting Wes, Turin, or Heavy today.  Probably not tomorrow either.  I am 90% sure ima be voting SD.  Feel free to make cases as you will between the rest, though Ed is the second most likely to persuade me.  
 

also I guess heavy less deserves to be in that top 3 than the other two.  Uhhhhhh ima stick to it for now

Vote Darthe

 

Maybe I’m wrong but I don’t see where Turin and I are seen as town on town violence. You either buy into his terrible case building on me or you agree with my points and questions to him, but not both. 

 

I’ve also asked twice about your reasons for having SD as scum. Maybe you’re busy. Maybe you’re slanking. Either way, the clock is ticking

 

Front and center young man

 

 

[HeavyHalfMoonBlade]

6 minutes ago, DPR said:

Vote Darthe

 

Maybe I’m wrong but I don’t see where Turin and I are seen as town on town violence. You either buy into his terrible case building on me or you agree with my points and questions to him, but not both. 

 

I’ve also asked twice about your reasons for having SD as scum. Maybe you’re busy. Maybe you’re slanking. Either way, the clock is ticking

 

Front and center young man

 

 

Gah. Why are you agreeing with my gut reads, pirate? 

 

But could you clarify, T/T violence is where you are both wrong. Why would Darthe need to agree with you both? He is saying your arguments against each other are wrong, not right. 

 

Though I don't trust him, and I don't think it is due to anything I can explain. FML. 

[Darthe]

4 hours ago, DPR said:

Can you give me the quick and dirty on your case against SD? 

It’s not a formalized case, I’ve not had the time to make something like that.  There are a few things that all point me in the same direction, and I’m inclined to believe that if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck… ya know.

 

first, and probably the weakest point, is the nonsense about dice rolling and tarots cards and etc.  he’ll be quick to refute this as something he doesn’t believe, but he keeps using it in lieu of something he actually does believe.  The lack of belief and gimmick crutch aren’t some magic wolfy tell but they are -ev.

 

second, and this one stood out to me so much I’m still sitting on it multiple RL days later, is that post he made where he bounced off of EPs read to justify throwing trash at me.  He shouldn’t know EP is town, and it read so clearly as him opportunistically inflaming any divisions.  Particularly I thought this was coordination of they were both wolves.  Not true in hindsight, but I still think it’s wolfy independently of their connection.

 

third, and most important to sustaining my read, is wagonomics.  The d1 lynch got swung away from him despite him being the early train, it came back to him near EoD, and the peace wagon went all his way once he had 4 votes.  Peace went from either 3 to 6 or 4 to 6 votes at that point.  I commented on this last night, but with the hindsight of today’s flips it’s real interesting where the confirmed town were, adding myself in from my perspective.

 

beyond these ^ I’d rather take a strong gut d1 read over playing follow the leader.  All in all it’s enough for me to take my celebrity shot.

[DPR]

28 minutes ago, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

Gah. Why are you agreeing with my gut reads, pirate? 

 

But could you clarify, T/T violence is where you are both wrong. Why would Darthe need to agree with you both? He is saying your arguments against each other are wrong, not right. 

 

Though I don't trust him, and I don't think it is due to anything I can explain. FML. 

Im saying that the nature of my disagreement with Turin is not likely to be viewed as T/T. Do you think we are both likely town? 

[Darthe]

4 hours ago, Turin Turambar said:

Why Ed? 

 

 

Blegh, I don’t like this read much but… He isn’t doing anything.  I am inactive compared to what I’d like to be but when I post it has substance.  When Ed posts it is nonsense.  He just did that in a game I modded where he was a wolf, and was allowed to slank through it on charisma.  When I poked him about this was the only thing I really have seen from him that had any heat to it, and that’s telling to me.  

[Darthe]

3 hours ago, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

In that quote SD also defends me and also brings up DPR asking for info but not giving any. Hard to see this as any more than WIFOM instead of a connection. 

This is the sort of “yes and” post that I’m nervous about from you heavy.  It’s not damned if you do, damned if you don’t, but you went from one game ago needing to be told that mafia isn’t a role playing game to making precise and confident inferences about posts you’re interpreting.  That smacks of high level coaching. Again, not a target for me today, but this is my “paranoia” pick for a deep wolf right now.  

[Turin Turambar]

4 minutes ago, Darthe said:

Blegh, I don’t like this read much but… He isn’t doing anything.  I am inactive compared to what I’d like to be but when I post it has substance.  When Ed posts it is nonsense.  He just did that in a game I modded where he was a wolf, and was allowed to slank through it on charisma.  When I poked him about this was the only thing I really have seen from him that had any heat to it, and that’s telling to me.  

OK. I read your other post wrong. I read that you could be persuaded by Ed. That made no sense. What you meant was you could be persuaded to vote Ed. That makes more sense.

 

I did find his EoD troubling.