Camp Dreadfall Mafia Game -- GAME OVER -- MAFIA WIN!

[DPR]

1 minute ago, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

LD means lie detector, a power role so if there is one, or even the chance there is one, it can make people wary of outright telling obvious lies. 

 

We don't know if there is one, but is it AI if someone refuses to state they are town openly? 

If by AI you mean “Annoyed Individual”, then yes lol

[SinisterDeath]

3 minutes ago, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

We don't know if there is one, but is it AI if someone refuses to state they are town openly?

I think of it like World of Warcraft. 

I just assume everyone's a Dude until proven otherwise.

[Turin Turambar]

1 hour ago, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

LD means lie detector, a power role so if there is one, or even the chance there is one, it can make people wary of outright telling obvious lies. 

 

We don't know if there is one, but is it AI if someone refuses to state they are town openly? 

My question has always been, why would you refuse? There is no negative if you are town. Town needs all the advantages it can get in order to find the mafia. Also look for places wherea person could say they are town in conversations but choose a different phrase. There were 2 such incidents in the Hamilton game. Both perps were mafia.

 

With that I've made my stance known and will be shutting up about it. 

[Turin Turambar]

2 hours ago, DPR said:

It’s the opposite - a reads list should include reasons for why you see things the way you do, thus giving the game insight into your thought process. A WTL (E) is a lighter version of reads that skips the reasons but also gives insight into your thought process

 

2 hours ago, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

I see what you mean but it presupposes that the reads list contains enough mafia leans to run up or start a train on. That is what I meant. 

DPR'S post above is what Hea y was responding to. I have some thoughts on both so they both here.

 

In regards to DPR'S  post, having the list on thread gives others a chance to check consistency in what you do. Mafia will frequently change a read because they need to due to game circumstances or because they just forget what they said. As he said it also shows if their reasoning is sound.

 

Heavy, I'm not sure if you are saying that you need all the mafia to try to push one. Or are you trying to say you need sufficient consensus? Neither are exactly true because you have to start somewhere. 

[SinisterDeath]

12 minutes ago, Turin Turambar said:

My question has always been, why would you refuse? There is no negative if you are town. Town needs all the advantages it can get in order to find the mafia. Also look for places wherea person could say they are town in conversations but choose a different phrase. There were 2 such incidents in the Hamilton game. Both perps were mafia.

 

With that I've made my stance known and will be shutting up about it. 

I went to the book of many more things, and rolled a 1d100.

I got a 7.

This results in the Cavern Card.

Quote

Cavern. You gain a climbing speed equal to your walking speed. You also gain the ability to move up, down, across vertical surfaces, and along ceilings, while leaving your hands free.

Obviously you don't gain a climbing speed in Mafia.

But the Cavern Card could be interpreted as having a secret lair.

It could also be interpreted as having insight into secret locations or concealed truths.

 

Now, if you knew anything about me, you'd know that I don't believe in Tarot or this Horoscope junk at all.

 

But I do believe in the dice.

[HeavyHalfMoonBlade]

21 minutes ago, Turin Turambar said:

Heavy, I'm not sure if you are saying that you need all the mafia to try to push one. Or are you trying to say you need sufficient consensus? Neither are exactly true because you have to start somewhere

No what I was saying is I can give a reads list like I did above, but I don't have a wte list as I don't feel that strongly about anyone. Asking for a wte this early in the game I find troubling, but not enough to break out the torches and pitchforks. 

 

And to clarify, I find it troubling not because I don't agree with this playstyle but because it opens the door to starting a train without anyone being responsible. The person saying wte player x is set up by someone just asking a question. So you can have a serious amount of shade thrown, maybe even a train started but no one has full responsibility. It is stretching yes, no where near a smoking gun but it troubles me still. 

[Turin Turambar]

Thanks Heavy.  I see what your saying. 

 

I really have to go to work now  though.

 

SD, I have no idea what you are on about with all that. 

[peacesells]

I've read to page 13 and had an urgent call come up.

 

My suspicions right not are on SD and Teph and I'm feeling they are tied together.

UNVOTE DPR

 

VOTE SINISTER.

[SinisterDeath]

1 minute ago, peacesells said:

I've read to page 13 and had an urgent call come up.

 

My suspicions right not are on SD and Teph and I'm feeling they are tied together.

UNVOTE DPR

 

VOTE SINISTER.

lol, It's too bad I'm just a Jester, else I'd be speed running this.

[SinisterDeath]

dammit, typo. Not a jester*

[SinisterDeath]

11 minutes ago, Turin Turambar said:

SD, I have no idea what you are on about with all that. 

Well, since we're still Day 1, and it's still that stage where everyone's busy either slankin' or  playing coy by phishing for information but not reciprocating, I'm just doing what I did the last game I played.

Instead of assigning each person a number and rolling a random dice. I'm instead rolling a dice on your post, and seeing what the Deck of Many things has to say about you. 😄

It actually fits pretty nicely with the Judgement card... and the way Tarot works, I bet it's got some of the Mafia here sweating bullets. 🤣

[keyholder21]

Official Vote Count

 

SD (3) - Eddie. Darthe, Peace

Teph (1) - Turin

Eddie (1) - Dice

Heavy (1) - Teph

Darthe (1) - GK

 

With 11 alive it's 6 to Hammer

 

Not voting (4): Heavy, DPR, Tig, SD

 

End of Day 1

[SinisterDeath]

20 hours ago, ed2funy said:

vote Sinister

 

AI is bad. Also I don’t really watch horror movies. 

 So 20 hours ago, ed voted me because I jokingly said that what movie you picked was AI.

I'm not going to counter vote Ed over this. I'm mainly taking this as a joke vote, at the moment... Unless he'd like to explain it?

 

4 hours ago, Darthe said:

I slept on it and still think this is conceptually wrong enough to be wolf motivation.  Words have definitions.  A 3 player WTL is a different thing than a reads list.  EP getting instantly salty about the distinction is a wolf trying to sell a line.  These two questions above are somehow worse.  vote: SD

I feel this justification was splitting hairs over WTL's a Read Lists, etc. As was discussed slightly after this with DPR and Heavy and I. I don't know jack about Mafia acronyms, and I'm likely to forget them between games. lmao.
 

My main take away was that I did show that DPR was asking for a list. Okay it was a 3 player WTL not a reads list, I'm not pedantic about this kind of stuff. 
 

I was giving you the benefit of the doubt for not seeing DPR's post because DM can be really stupid. 

What I hadn't considered was that you were going to be pedantic about the definition of WTL and Read lists, and that's what you were arguing over.

As for why you're voting me? I can only guess because Ed already did, and you saw this as an angle of contradiction or something like I was angling you as a wolf over it. But It's more speculative. Are you or aren't you? As far as I'm concerned, everyone here's a wolf until they're flipped.
 

29 minutes ago, peacesells said:

I've read to page 13 and had an urgent call come up.

 

My suspicions right not are on SD and Teph and I'm feeling they are tied together.

UNVOTE DPR

 

VOTE SINISTER.

Then we come to Peace.

I'd like to read why they think they had to go and pile a 3rd vote? All we've got out of you all game is slank.

 

  

22 hours ago, Turin Turambar said:

VOTE MR. GUD

 

Welcome to the game.

This is still a joke vote as far as I'm concerned. But just like Eds, this can be a place holder to quickly drop and vote on a train.

 

  

19 hours ago, Tephulis said:

Papa Roach is Not Pop music

UNVOTE DICE

 

VOTE HEAVY

Both a Joke Vote, but also totally valid. lmao.

(same boat as Turin and Eds)

 

  

20 hours ago, dicetosser1 said:

vote Ed for voting sinister before I could

The Final Joke Vote, and also Valid reason for voting someone. There's a reason I was joking last game that I'm surprised I didn't get lynched in the game I wasn't even playing in!


Here's the not votings.

34 minutes ago, keyholder21 said:

Not voting (4): Heavy, DPR, Tig, SD

These joke votes mean just about as much as the not voting (IMO) as they can go just about anywhere on a train. In day 2+, these "joke votes" basically mean nothing.

 

Which is why I'm looking at Darthe's, Peace's, and Eds?, because there's are the only ones that may have a reason other than "lols".

[Gabriel Kross]

5 hours ago, Turin Turambar said:

Sorry I don't know how to put quotes in spoiler tags.

The first bit here where SD speculates to defend DPR is sketching me out. It makes no sense to me why he would say this if he doesn't know. 

He does it again with Heavy. I don't know. Maybe the discussion boards have broke him.

He did kinda catch GK misrepping Darthe about Darthes Tephulis take, so that's  a bit better.

The DPR comment is good observation also, sadly he got DPR'S drink wrong. DPR said he was having a martini, which is either gin or vodka.

 

The other thing that sort of has me questioning is that there was a lot of extraneous conversation but tis early so I will see how that plays out going forward. 

Except you read that completely wrong they were calling Darthe out in that comment, so siding with me.

 

 

4 hours ago, SinisterDeath said:

Lol

 

More like, explain the joke tags.

That went over my head.

I think I'm still lost.

 

Tbf, I still don't know half these damn acronyms.

 

You have a list of how games people have played in right? What's my count at these days? 4, 5? (In 20 years on DM)

 

I'll have to look up that term, because my anime brain is reading that as Waifu, and I don't like that. Lol

 

 

I don't like this post

3 hours ago, SinisterDeath said:

As I mentioned prior, I have only a handful of games under my belt here... I literally do not know all the acronyms, and if ya'll are using custom ones that aren't in the dictionaries I have no idea what you're saying.

 

With that in mind it seems to me, that proclaiming you're town early is a double edged sword.

 

A Wolf can go and quote someone that proclaimed they were a Townie on Day 1, in conjunction with  evidence contradictory statements to proclaim that said townie is in fact, a wolf.

A Wolf can also quote someone that proclaimed they were a Townie on Day 1, in conjunction with town leaning evidence as to why that person is definitely a town.

Obviously a Townie can do the same thing and claim that the person is a Wolf.

But you also fall into the trap that the Wolf or the Townie can also say [____] never claimed town, thus they must be a [___]!

So, are you trying to get everyone here to proclaim themselves a Townie so you can later use that against them or to support their town claim as it behooves you? 😉

I don't like this post even more... IT'S LITTERALY WIFOM... "I'm still new I don't know what these acronyms mean, I need to look up WIFOM" immediately gives a textbook case of WIFOM...

 

4 minutes ago, SinisterDeath said:

 So 20 hours ago, ed voted me because I jokingly said that what movie you picked was AI.

I'm not going to counter vote Ed over this. I'm mainly taking this as a joke vote, at the moment... Unless he'd like to explain it?

 

I feel this justification was splitting hairs over WTL's a Read Lists, etc. As was discussed slightly after this with DPR and Heavy and I. I don't know jack about Mafia acronyms, and I'm likely to forget them between games. lmao.
 

My main take away was that I did show that DPR was asking for a list. Okay it was a 3 player WTL not a reads list, I'm not pedantic about this kind of stuff. 
 

I was giving you the benefit of the doubt for not seeing DPR's post because DM can be really stupid. 

What I hadn't considered was that you were going to be pedantic about the definition of WTL and Read lists, and that's what you were arguing over.

As for why you're voting me? I can only guess because Ed already did, and you saw this as an angle of contradiction or something like I was angling you as a wolf over it. But It's more speculative. Are you or aren't you? As far as I'm concerned, everyone here's a wolf until they're flipped.
 

Then we come to Peace.

I'd like to read why they think they had to go and pile a 3rd vote? All we've got out of you all game is slank.

 

  

This is still a joke vote as far as I'm concerned. But just like Eds, this can be a place holder to quickly drop and vote on a train.

 

  

Both a Joke Vote, but also totally valid. lmao.

(same boat as Turin and Eds)

 

  

The Final Joke Vote, and also Valid reason for voting someone. There's a reason I was joking last game that I'm surprised I didn't get lynched in the game I wasn't even playing in!


Here's the not votings.

These joke votes mean just about as much as the not voting (IMO) as they can go just about anywhere on a train. In day 2+, these "joke votes" basically mean nothing.

 

Which is why I'm looking at Darthe's, Peace's, and Eds?, because there's are the only ones that may have a reason other than "lols".

um, hello? my vote isn't a joke vote... I could get on a Sinister train tbh, the more sinister types the more panicky they come off.

[Gabriel Kross]

I will leave my vote in place for now and see how the next few hours roll out.

[SinisterDeath]

4 minutes ago, Gabriel Kross said:

um, hello? my vote isn't a joke vote... I could get on a Sinister train tbh, the more sinister types the more panicky they come off.

Huh, looks like I missed your vote in my post. Notice how it's absent? Mistakes happen.

14 hours ago, Gabriel Kross said:

it wasn't an unprompted reads list DPR literally asked for the list from them and you know this because you commented on me susing DPR for not in turn giving a list. VOTE DARTHE that was a weird move.

Okay, you have reasons. But to be fair, how many people have you indiscriminately voted for already in day 1? Proclaiming that they did something weird? Isn't that a little... weird?

 

6 minutes ago, Gabriel Kross said:

I don't like this post even more... IT'S LITTERALY WIFOM... "I'm still new I don't know what these acronyms mean, I need to look up WIFOM" immediately gives a textbook case of WIFOM...

 

So... it hasn't once cross your mind that I'm capable of independently concluding the tactics behind the situation that was brought up, almost like I understand the concepts of Game Theory? Even though I don't know the acronyms to Mafia and the hyper specific game theories behind it?

[Gabriel Kross]

1 minute ago, SinisterDeath said:

Huh, looks like I missed your vote in my post. Notice how it's absent? Mistakes happen.

Okay, you have reasons. But to be fair, how many people have you indiscriminately voted for already in day 1? Proclaiming that they did something weird? Isn't that a little... weird?

 

 

So... it hasn't once cross your mind that I'm capable of independently concluding the tactics behind the situation that was brought up, almost like I understand the concepts of Game Theory? Even though I don't know the acronyms to Mafia and the hyper specific game theories behind it?

soooo did you actually look up WIFOM? If you did you would understand WIFOM is not good, it's a tactic used by mafia and not the town. 

[SinisterDeath]

5 minutes ago, Gabriel Kross said:

soooo did you actually look up WIFOM? If you did you would understand WIFOM is not good, it's a tactic used by mafia and not the town. 

This was the only thing I was able to find on it when I googled it just now. https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=WIFOM

I'm not seeing anything in there that says it's only used by just Mafia.

 

Everything we're saying right now in Day 1, is going to come back and haunt us in day 2, and so forth. Both sides are going to use whatever we say and twist those words to run a train on us, even if we are a townie.

 

Mafia can slank in the shadows while Town run a train on Town, as Townies twist each others words on each other because someone claimed town on Day 1, and low and behold they said something snarky to someone during the day and that person ended up dead during the night!

 

This is just stating the facts of the game that I'm sure ya'll already know very well.

Anyways, I'm getting bored of this conversation already. I'm looking forward to hear from someone new. From one of the slankers who haven't said or done much of anything all game.

[Gabriel Kross]

WIFOM muddies the water, have you ever seen Princess Bride? There's a whole scene about it, now there may be a time when a town can use WIFOM to their advantage but it's mostly just a mafia tactic and your post does that I'm reffering to does not read pro-town

[SinisterDeath]

7 hours ago, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

For Turin, I am town. Yet a-sodding-gain. 

Suuuure. 

 

6 hours ago, Tigraine said:

Ernest Goes to Camp

Always a fantastic movie... But Ernest Scared Stupid is the superior movie.

For that... you get a 

 

5 hours ago, DPR said:

 

 

 

Anyways.... 

[DPR]

Let’s see if we can find a few points of agreement: 

 

1. WIFOM can be used effectively by mafia, sure, but that usually comes into play a bit later when a lynch or something important is on the line. 
 

@Gabriel Kross what would be the point of SD laying down the WIFOM at this point in the game? 
 

2. @SinisterDeath If I read you correctly, you’re claiming the Jester role? Will you share your win condition with us? 
 

Also, my previous question still stands - why reveal your role and plan now? You’re not in any real danger of a lynch and it seems like you might have held out a little longer to achieve the goal you explained? 
 

I gotta grab a quote for the next…

[SinisterDeath]

Just now, DPR said:

2. @SinisterDeath If I read you correctly, you’re claiming the Jester role? Will you share your win condition with us? 

No. Read the following post, that was a typo, I messed up and put "just" instead of "not". The sentence doesn't even make sense with "just". That was just my lame attempt at a joke that if I was that role, I'd be speed running this game to a victory. lmao (Because I'm always getting lynched in either D1 or D2 as a townie!)

There is no 3p in the game. @keyholder21

  

On 5/13/2025 at 10:00 AM, keyholder21 said:

Town will consist of 8 players and will have 2-5 power roles.  Those without power roles will be vanilla campers.

Mafia will consist of 3 players  and will have 1-2 power roles. Those without power roles will be mafia goons.

 

[DPR]

2 hours ago, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

No what I was saying is I can give a reads list like I did above, but I don't have a wte list as I don't feel that strongly about anyone. Asking for a wte this early in the game I find troubling, but not enough to break out the torches and pitchforks. 

 

And to clarify, I find it troubling not because I don't agree with this playstyle but because it opens the door to starting a train without anyone being responsible. The person saying wte player x is set up by someone just asking a question. So you can have a serious amount of shade thrown, maybe even a train started but no one has full responsibility. It is stretching yes, no where near a smoking gun but it troubles me still. 

I feel like we need to be in alignment about this and the previously made points of replacing the word “lynch” and 

acronyms. 
 

If everyone uses different terms and different acronyms, that will seriously hinder the town’s ability to read people. We need to agree on terms to prevent confusion. 
 

The same goes for Heavy’s statement above - statistically, we are likely going to lynch a townie. We’ll do our best to avoid that, but numbers are numbers. What we don’t want to miss is the info to be gained. 
 

So maybe everyone take a deep breath and keep giving reads or WTL’s as those are things we can use later on

[DPR]

9 minutes ago, SinisterDeath said:

No. Read the following post, that was a typo, I messed up and put "just" instead of "not". The sentence doesn't even make sense with "just". That was just my lame attempt at a joke that if I was that role, I'd be speed running this game to a victory. lmao (Because I'm always getting lynched in either D1 or D2 as a townie!)

There is no 3p in the game. @keyholder21

  

 

There’s no 3p - but Jester can be town aligned. 
 

So, to be clear, you are or are not claiming Jester? 

[SinisterDeath]

@DPR 

What's your thoughts on Turin posting this? 

I'm going to assume this isn't WIFOM in the manner ya'll are talking about, but isn't this also baiting for WIFOM?

Like I mentioned, I could see a world where any claim can be used against you by either party whether it's in Day 1, or in Day 5.

 

After I read this again later, and realized LD = Lie Detector (I can't believe I missed that the first time).
I can definitely see why we should claim Town.

7 hours ago, Turin Turambar said:

This might be longish and will have some game spec aligned talk so spoilering.

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This game is closed as far as what roles are in the game. We don't know if there is a cop, or doc, or possibly a lie detector. The last game which was closed setup was Ithi's Hamilton game. I advocated that all townies in that situation should be willing (enthusiastic even) to proclaim themselves town just to make it easier to allow a potential LD to scan whoever they wanted to without drawing attention to themselves. It had the added psychological advantage that mafia would be resistant to do so, and that it might plant the seed in their heads that they had to avoid using directly checkable statements in conversation. There were 2 issues with this plans effectiveness:

1. The confirmed townie couldn't get past that it wasn't a role claim and discarded the idea.  

2. The mafia nearly outnumbered the town so there wasn't sufficient peer pressure.

 

Despite the difficulty the 3 players  I noted as giving the most push back about the plan were ALL MAFIA. Furthermore,  2 of them used the same awkward language I predicted later in the game.

 

In conclusion, the fact that the primary reason is only helpful to town, makes this a viable thing imo whether you believe the second part or not.