90's Action Hero Mafia - Game Over - Mafia Wins

[Zander?]

  On 4/24/2025 at 3:25 PM, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

How? 

 

Me? I admit during the night when it seemed to be a Verb and Rand showdown with Dice and DPR about how the two players that saved Dice were somehow scummy for it, it seemed very likely that Dice and DPR were wolves and it was a false claim. But since Dice has been much more Townie and DPR came out with Dice is obviously mafia while still arguing with Rand while actually agreeing with him on Dice. Which has left me scratching my head with all the WIFOM. So much I don't like about Dice's claim but I suppose that is always going to go with this territory - a claim that cannot be sensibly CCd immediately. Complete mindf**k, and a completely new situation for me.

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@HeavyHalfMoonBlade

 

Mafia would know if there's a GF if Dice is the Cop and picked the GF it would likely HELP to clear that person...add that on top of knowing the Doc is likely protecting the Cop (if true), maybe not wanting to waste it N1 because with all that stuff just listed ....if Dice IS The Cop him being alive Day2 would be very WINFOMing for us and a likely at least lunch candidate

[Zander?]

  On 4/24/2025 at 11:12 AM, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

Ithi and DPR were one and two on Marsh. I'm no Wagonomics expert but when Shad solved the Citrus Bandits game from reading the D1 VC, two wolves were one and two on the train of the miselimination.

 

Ithi is giving DPR town cred here with as far as I can see zero reasoning. A softly softly approach to maybe the whole cop claim thing is tricky but I'm not WIFOMing. So essentially, a carefully crafted post that says nothing but gives DPR (and Nyn) town cred, I guess to not go over the top. 

 

Could someone, I mean anyone, please act like they were town? Even if you were only pretending it would make such a change. I h8 this game. 

 

Ithi, can I ask you why you think DPR is town positive despite misrepping Marsh and jumping on his "slip" that was not a slip, it was just a bit clumsy? Should players be allowed to get away with misrepping what a town player says and then eliminating them on the basis of that misrep? Curious to hear your thoughts. 

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Hmmmmm these last couple posts feel different from the ones I recall in Ithi's game ....I think iirc lol

[Ithillian Turambar]

This is what I meant @Nynaeve ^^^

 

Post by post updates lol

[HeavyHalfMoonBlade]

  On 4/24/2025 at 3:29 PM, Zander? said:

Mafia would know if there's a GF if Dice is the Cop and picked the GF it would likely HELP to clear that person...add that on top of knowing the Doc is likely protecting the Cop (if true), maybe not wanting to waste it N1 because with all that stuff just listed ....if Dice IS The Cop him being alive Day2 would be very WINFOMing for us and a likely at least lunch candidate

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Why in the name of the wee man did I even ask?

 

Thanks but that didn't help my headache or resolve anything either lol. Can we not just boil it all down to he might be, he might not be?

[HeavyHalfMoonBlade]

  On 4/24/2025 at 3:31 PM, Ithillian Turambar said:

This is what I meant @Nynaeve ^^^

 

Post by post updates lol

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Don't worry, there are only 61 pages...

[Verbal32]

  On 4/24/2025 at 3:18 PM, Ithillian Turambar said:

Well you were having a right barney with him during the night and then come morning it all calmed down again.

 

 

 

 

Doesn't look like you found El Dorado on page 32

 

 

 

so you seem to be getting on ok again

 

and then you say you think hes got a plan.

 

 

 

not really  grumpy yet. Just asking.

 

 

and then you fire back up at DPR but say that bit about the table and plans.

Which is in a post where you seem not happy with DPR it's true. 

 

 

But you like cranky DPR

 

 

So I guess what I'm saying is I thought you'd spotted whatever the mystery thing was on page 32 and you were being cranky at him on purpose, to see if you could bait people into voting him?

 

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I'm not sure what your point is in all that.

[Zander?]

  On 4/24/2025 at 11:39 AM, Ithillian Turambar said:

What is the definition of a wolf?

What actions are clear as definite?

 

Those are very general statements. What has he actually done?

 

See this is why you are on my list of overly neutral players. You say wolfy wolf and when asked why you say cos wolfy wolf.

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Ithi did you find Heavy was much more sure of himself or like would just state exactly what he thought in your Games?  TBF I remember the whole everyone is Wolfy stuff mostly because that's also what I think and last game....it was true LOLOLOLOL ❤️ 

 

But ya do you find Heavy's posting a bit different than in your 2 games where he was Town?  And if so maybe explain the difference in a better way than me so people can understand it better as most struggle with Zanderese lolololol

[Zander?]

  On 4/24/2025 at 11:43 AM, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

Marsh said, in an effort to be nice [to me as a new player], I made Ithi and Turin think I was defending Heavy. He did not say he was pretending. He did not say he set a trap. That was everyone else. He said he was being nice which was misunderstood. But by taking the second clause out of context, people thought he had set a trap. Me too. But when you actually read it closely, that isn't what he said, there wasn't a slip, it was just clumsy. Yet DPR quoted what he said, brushed off his explanation, brushed off my interjection (which contained my vote so I doubt he did not see it), and claimed it said something it clearly did not, no matter how easy it was to misread. 

 

From his reasoning, Marsh pretty much had to be Town, in my eyes, but DPR eliminated him anyway, with some help. 

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I'm not a fan of people staying HE OR SHE or THEY nowadays (I just meant someONE, a singular person) lunched someone it takes multiple people to achieve a lunch and each person has to bare their share of responsibility.

[Zander?]

  On 4/24/2025 at 11:51 AM, DPR said:

 

 

 

 

Onto new business. The above posts are in order of occurrence. I pinged when Heavy described how the condemner role worked - I said so - and then Darthe made his official post. 
 

Now, I don’t want be framey lol, so I’ll just ask: Does anyone else see that Heavy described the role with details that nobody else knew, and then Darthe confirmed it? 
 

 

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Imma let him answer or see if he did as I catch up but I've a thought on this 

[Zander?]

  On 4/24/2025 at 11:57 AM, Ithillian Turambar said:

Yay I got a mis rep.

 

If you think he is just being mean then just call him out. Don't go asking other people what they think of him. 

 

I don't like the name calling so I tell him.

 

Len was a bit hard in that game but he apologised and said he'd come in with a different site attitude and once he'd set the tone he couldn't really change it cos he was mafia.

 

Wow. Reminds me of other chats we've had.

 

So, just because you don't like how someone plays, that doesn't mean they are a bad guy. You've got to learn and look at what they actually do, and how that affects the game.

 

And apparently all this is quite tame compared to other sites anyways.

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Ya you should see JN lol Pac lololololol 

[Zander?]

  On 4/24/2025 at 12:02 PM, Turin Turambar said:

This is garbage. I knew that during the night and posted it. How did I know? I asked Darthe and he told me. .maybe ask the mod if you don't know or are confused. 

 

I'm pretty convinced your mafia right now. I still want competing  trains. I think Rand is also. I'm gonna vote him in my next post. I got more thoughts after.

 

 

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Imho and not having read Day 1 I'd feel pretty safe in saying at least a Wolf in Ed Heavy DPR and Rand

[Zander?]

  On 4/24/2025 at 12:10 PM, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

Personally I would say at this point Ithi should be the second train. Rand comes over as an overstimulated townie to me. An easy target for a miselimination. 

 

But as I'm just getting more and more convinced 

 

VOTE DPR 

My phone always eager to offer suggestions, lol. It must have been reading along, hehe. 

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Even your Phone ishalf Wolfy AF....my phone auto populates Turin whenever I type Vote or Wolfy LOLOLOLOLOL 

[Zander?]

  On 4/24/2025 at 12:14 PM, Ithillian Turambar said:

Wtf is that. Is it really making suggestions or am I a dumb?

 

Don't use chatGPT in your Mafia game or you'll end up playing Battleships lol

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NEVER TRUST THE AI THEYRE GOING TO TAKE OVER THE WORLD AND EITHER KILL IS ALL OR ENSLAVE US ALL.....OR A COMBO OF BOTH!!!!!!!!!!

[Ithillian Turambar]

  On 4/24/2025 at 3:36 PM, Verbal32 said:

 

I'm not sure what your point is in all that.

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You asked why I thought you thought his plan would be a town plan. So I was explaining 

[Zander?]

  On 4/24/2025 at 12:22 PM, Tigraine said:

 

What? How are those two things exclusive to each other? Like I can't think Rand acted scummy at EoD AND believe there was a fishy reason for N1 activities?

 

DPR is singing Bridge Over Troubled Waters and I'm singing Highway to Hall...literally everything I have said since Day 2 began is of content.  Just because you don't agree with them doesn't mean they aren't valid.  

 

Omfg...you're crapping on me for talking about how scummy he looks then go on to talk about the bad vibes you get.  Wtf?

 

Yes because you are focusing on one part of DPR’S post.  Merely that roleblocking the cop would lead us to lynch him.  There were other things including no NK.

 

But on a side note, thank you for quoting that post by DPR where he goes on to ask why they would waste a shot on Dice when they have him roleblocked.  It's actually something that he argues is muddying the waters for suggesting it.  

 

I'll go quote it as soon as I'm done catching up and getting what Zander asked for.  

 

And also, ftr, DPR now saying Dice is mafia cause they would've strongarmed him is EXACTLY what I have been saying. ALL things considered, people are side eyeing Dice.  

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With a Pirate leading the fleet lololololol 

[Zander?]

  On 4/24/2025 at 12:32 PM, Tigraine said:

Because by saying he was reading someone as Mafia, when they flip town, he dies.  This way he stays alive longer. (If he is mafia fake claiming cop)  or at least that's how I see it.  

 

 

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I get all the dice sus and maybe it's a Wolfy fake claim.  Thing is there's been no CC and I'm not suggesting if dice is lying Cop to CC here... I say keep Dice in our PoE and find better targets for today.  Dice's alot sorts itself out ATP with the claim whether fake or real in the next couple phases IMHO 

[Zander?]

  On 4/24/2025 at 12:35 PM, Turin Turambar said:

Where I'm at currently off the cuff. Hopefully I don't miss anyone. 

 

Dice( town): claimed cop. No cc. Easiest solution is he's the cop.

 

Turin (town): no discussion allowed

 

Nyn(likely town): this is a slight downgrade from yesterday.  There were a few things that seemed off. Mostly agree that she has been active and present. 

 

Key (town lean): Most of my tinfoil on Key is the way other people I'm suspicious of (Rand and Verb mostly) have treated her and her them to an extent. If she's mafia she's the deep wolf. I have bigger fish to fry at the moment. 

 

Ithi (dunno): I had her town yesterday and on my reread of today I saw a couple of very TOWN!!ithi posts. Recent ones are giving some doubt. Although maybe I'm not seeing something in game she is???

 

Heavy (dunno): He has made some very insightful posts lately. His start was awful. I definitely see a world in which he is town.

 

Ed (dunno): He has posted more thoughts today and seemed more involved. I have trouble with his style but I need to work through that. He still has some 3p equity so his improvement could be self preservation. 

 

Zanlo/Lender???(3p lean): exclusively due to Lenlo activity yesterday. He chose imo an easy target and parked there all day. He also was around until he wasn't at EoD and didn't see him check out, he just kinda ghosted. 

 

Tigraine (3p lean): posting today has been better. I completely disagree about the take that Rand's EoD makes him mafia(his trying to take extra credit for it does look bad imo). Willing  to see what happens from here.

 

Verb (mafia lean): He moves up simply because I'm not sure I see him as DPR'S teammate. I still think he has enough mafia equity to be down here. The misrep on me shows a willingness to just say anything and his laugh off of valid points screams mafia trying to use clout to brush things off.

 

DPR (mafia): This entire day has been nothing but attempts to direct about what happened last night. Also, attempts push against the claimed cop. I thought he was setting up to come out with a cc and a red.peek on Rand. Didn't happen but still kinda softing it in what I have to guess is an attempt to rile us up into lynching the cop and then he will say "I didn't  do nuffin'". If the above was true, get on with it. 2 out of 3 mafias caught and you are a hero. 

 

Rand (mafia): His battle with DPR feels fake and superficial. He voted DPR,  but when traction started coming he cautioned going too fast. He has also since made a post or two where I felt he was trying to "evolve" his read there so he could conveniently move to someone else. 

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IM TOWN ...maybe use you LD from last game....lolololol

 

Also FML I've got Wolf leans on 2 the same as Turin FML either my reads are hella bad or Turin could.....Turin could be T.....Turin could be To......Turin could be Tow......I can't bring myself to say it but you guys get what I think I might be saying lololololol 

[Zander?]

  On 4/24/2025 at 12:58 PM, DPR said:

My d2 Town: 

 

Nyn - #1 in attempting to solve

Zander - I didn’t ping in Lenlo. 

Key - Just a hunch

Ithi - also a hunch

 

My Nulls

 

Turin - I can’t read you at all lol

Verb - I lean town, but mostly because I skibidilove him. 
Heavy - he’s got condemner equity but his play seems genuine enough

Tigs - sometimes confusing posts but active

 

The Wolves: 

 

dice - I’ve said what I’ve said

Rand - superweird. Overzealous GF imo
ed - On a different planet. I don’t get his play at all.

 

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QFR if DPR flips lol

[Zander?]

  On 4/24/2025 at 1:51 PM, Verbal32 said:

 

If DPR is scum, this is the scummiest post in the game thus far.  The bold in particular is just "yuck".  Mafia are supposed to look like town - why would they try and nudge people to vote?  That would look scummy.  Do you recall the post I made about how DPR appeared to be setting the table and seeing who would come eat?

 

If one of these is scum, very likely the other is as well.

 

 

 

 

I know others have commented already, but it's true.  This is not a good look - Darthe was clear enough when he admitted skimming the wiki role.  You're trying to not be framey.....while being framey.

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I remember saying in DT Turin was making Framing Posts in Ithi's 2nd iirc game.... and guess what....he was because he was a Wolf....Framing posts are by nature Wolfy imho lololololol 

[Tigraine]

  On 4/24/2025 at 3:54 PM, Zander? said:

 

I get all the dice sus and maybe it's a Wolfy fake claim.  Thing is there's been no CC and I'm not suggesting if dice is lying Cop to CC here... I say keep Dice in our PoE and find better targets for today.  Dice's alot sorts itself out ATP with the claim whether fake or real in the next couple phases IMHO 

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I agree.  I was just responding to someone asking what the purpose would be.  

[Zander?]

  On 4/24/2025 at 3:18 PM, Ithillian Turambar said:

Well you were having a right barney with him during the night and then come morning it all calmed down again.

 

 

 

 

Doesn't look like you found El Dorado on page 32

 

 

 

so you seem to be getting on ok again

 

and then you say you think hes got a plan.

 

 

 

not really  grumpy yet. Just asking.

 

 

and then you fire back up at DPR but say that bit about the table and plans.

Which is in a post where you seem not happy with DPR it's true. 

 

 

But you like cranky DPR

 

 

So I guess what I'm saying is I thought you'd spotted whatever the mystery thing was on page 32 and you were being cranky at him on purpose, to see if you could bait people into voting him?

 

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What's all this page 32 stuff?!???!  Did DPR ever elaborate on it?!?!?!

[Zander?]

  On 4/24/2025 at 3:31 PM, Ithillian Turambar said:

This is what I meant @Nynaeve ^^^

 

Post by post updates lol

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"One cannot hope to control the Zander

You can only hope to contain him"

                         -Cory Curren

                              -Zander

[Tigraine]

  On 4/24/2025 at 4:08 PM, Zander? said:

 

What's all this page 32 stuff?!???!  Did DPR ever elaborate on it?!?!?!

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Not that I'm aware of....

[Zander?]

  On 4/24/2025 at 3:34 PM, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

Why in the name of the wee man did I even ask?

 

Thanks but that didn't help my headache or resolve anything either lol. Can we not just boil it all down to he might be, he might not be?

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No because my point is valid and makes sense. Are you familiar with how the GF role Works?  It's a Wolf who IF VIEWED BY THE COP gives a TOWN result to the cop.  That's something that has to be at least factored into Dice being alive.  Most importantly tho is that fact he's not been Cc'd not saying cop ever CC's ATP but Dice slot self resolves in next few phases IMHO 

[Zander?]

  On 4/24/2025 at 3:35 PM, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

Don't worry, there are only 61 pages...

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Don't worry I'm not reading 90% + of Day 1 LOLOLOLOLOL