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[DPR]

  On 4/8/2025 at 1:18 PM, keyholder21 said:

 

OMG, Turin, I did get the message.  I was trying to be subtle, because I didn't want to out town powers on Day 2, but you weren't even picking up on the clues you freaking asked for. See bold for clues below.

 

 

 

 

CassTurin sent me a message last night as TOWN INFORMANT that he was peeking Hallia. There, happy @Turin Turambar???

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If I understand this, @Turin Turambar is claiming to be the Town Informant that can send 2 messages in 1 night, and also the Cop? 
 

Am I reading this correctly???

[Turin Turambar]

Oh. Before I do anything  else

 

UNVOTE 

[Turin Turambar]

VOTE  HALLIA 

[keyholder21]

@DPR - I don't really know how informant works, so maybe?  I looked it up when I got the message and mafiawiki says the informant targets a player and, if there is no interference, the mod will send that player a predetermined message with setup information. I did receive a PM from the mod with a note that it was from CassTurin as a town informant and that he was peeking Hallia. 

 

I, maybe incorrectly, assumed that this cleared him as town because Cass was getting sussed most of the day and I doubted mafia would mess with her.  I also found Hally sus so I just rolled with it.

[Turin Turambar]

  On 4/8/2025 at 1:18 PM, keyholder21 said:

 

OMG, Turin, I did get the message.  I was trying to be subtle, because I didn't want to out town powers on Day 2, but you weren't even picking up on the clues you freaking asked for. See bold for clues below.

 

 

 

 

CassTurin sent me a message last night as TOWN INFORMANT that he was peeking Hallia. There, happy @Turin Turambar???

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Oh fluff. I'm so stupid. Jiminy Crikets!!!

 

I was not thinking. I'm the dumbest thinking their clever person ever. 

 

I was really just looking for something  more theme. I apologise profusely for doubting.  I was just really sketched out that I didn't see it right away and then my mind reeled. And everyone saw what happened. 

You are amazing.  I'm an idiot. Which has been made clear.

 

I think I need to go sit in a corner for a minute and think about bad choices. 

[DPR]

  On 4/8/2025 at 1:36 PM, keyholder21 said:

@DPR - I don't really know how informant works, so maybe?  I looked it up when I got the message and mafiawiki says the informant targets a player and, if there is no interference, the mod will send that player a predetermined message with setup information. I did receive a PM from the mod with a note that it was from CassTurin as a town informant and that he was peeking Hallia. 

 

I, maybe incorrectly, assumed that this cleared him as town because Cass was getting sussed most of the day and I doubted mafia would mess with her.  I also found Hally sus so I just rolled with it.

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Hinestly, I ain’t judging your response. 
 

I’m focused on the simple probability that any one player has 3 night actions in one night available to them. And I’m thinking that probability is 0. 
 

But then I ask, why in hell would anyone ever claim that? 
 

I got no answer. 

[Verbal32]

  On 4/8/2025 at 1:01 PM, Verbal32 said:

 

What exactly are you saying here?  I don't understand the bold.

 

 

 

 

How do you know this?

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@Turin Turambar

[Gudrean]

Well there goes my list, gotta rethink it now.

So CassTurin is no longer wolfsus and Key is back at the top of my Town list.

[Turin Turambar]

  On 4/8/2025 at 1:29 PM, DPR said:

If I understand this, @Turin Turambar is claiming to be the Town Informant that can send 2 messages in 1 night, and also the Cop? 
 

Am I reading this correctly???

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Almost.  I can send 1 message per night. I sent Key the message she describes along with a request to confirm in a certain manner.  I missed her response because I'm dumber than 2 boxes of rocks and couldn't see something that wasn't what I envisioned. So I wigged out like a loon.

 

I also did make a cop check on Hallia.  It was RED.

[DPR]

@keyholder21 just to confirm, the message from Turin included the terms “Town Informant” and “peek”, right? 

 

 

[DPR]

Unvote Hallia

[Verbal32]

  On 4/8/2025 at 1:54 PM, DPR said:

Unvote Hallia

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I don't understand, if he has a red peek on Hallia, why are you unvoting?

[Turin Turambar]

  On 4/4/2025 at 4:37 PM, Verbal32 said:

 

On D1, as a townie I would gladly take a 3p lynch.  Mafia is best case scenario, but at the end of the day removing non-town players is the way to go.

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@Verbal32 , this is the post I was talking about. Your post claiming town. 

 

I had a problem with it but it may border on speculation so I'm gonna just steer clear of it for now. I really  don't want to break a promise by accident. 

I'm gonna try to throw all those kind of thoughts away and just go back to playing.

 

And now I need a bit of a break. Sorry again 

[Verbal32]

  On 4/8/2025 at 1:58 PM, Turin Turambar said:

@Verbal32 , this is the post I was talking about. Your post claiming town. 

 

I had a problem with it but it may border on speculation so I'm gonna just steer clear of it for now. I really  don't want to break a promise by accident. 

I'm gonna try to throw all those kind of thoughts away and just go back to playing.

 

And now I need a bit of a break. Sorry again 

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too late, I was wondering if that's what you meant

[seph]

Good morning!
I am swamped at work and will be back ITT in around 6 hours.

 

 

[seph]

Just from this page.... What did I miss, jesus lol.

[DPR]

  On 4/8/2025 at 9:26 AM, Turin Turambar said:

BEWARE, THERE BE SPECULATION HERE

 

 

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There will be gaming the mod, and speculation about possible roles in here so if you think it's worthless just skip it. But I think there might be something worth hearing. 

Ithi likes balance in her games. That generally means that you can expect roles that either match to an extent or counter other roles. We know that Mafia has /had a Messenger. Why? It could be just to sow chaos. It could also be to assist in searching for a traitor (symp?). Such a role imo would also be a form of balance to the IC we already know exists. In the Wiki, there are various adjustments that can be made to help balance the equation. One is the traitor knows some/all the mafia but they don't know the traitor.  Another is the mafia have to "kill" the traitor to bring them on board to wolf chat. N1 no one died. Now simplest solution to that is a doc save. I concede that. Another is that the mafia actually found their traitor. Action on this can wait, to an extent.

Another thing we know is Darthe died. Now simplest answer here is a vig shot. I would assume that a town vig would be one shot. Phillip would be a reasonable character choice for a vig as he did engage in a duel. Zander was the only one that really hinted at it. I would assume a 1x vig would claim the shot and be essentially clear. That didn't happen so there has to be the possibility of an Serial Killer (the Bullet fits for theme). We can wait to see if there are 2 death nights before really worrying about that though. Finally, Verb got a message, I think from Darthe. I would like to hear the complete thing due to my earlier assumptions about traitor and searching. Again, I don't have any way to confirm it, so...

 

My speculation on the game is that town is pretty stacked. We have evidence of a IC, a watcher, a vig, and I know my role is powerful. So far mafia has only had a messenger. I am suggesting that they also had a traitor but had to waste a kill to bring him in. That implies maybe not as many powerful roles but perhaps some powerful shared team abilities. So that even if players get eliminated the mafias overall power level doesn't go down as much. So maybe a 1x strongman, 1x ninja. Stuff like that.

I also believe that they have some sort of a deflector role. I targeted two different people last night with different abilities and one reached it's intended target ( I believe) and one didn't. So I will know something with Hallia's flip. If she's mafia then most likely Key is as well. If she is town then Seph ( I think) is mafia because I got redirected on both actions. In that case, I think DPR goes back into the mix

 

I could see Dice or Verb as potential traitors. If I live I might know more tomorrow. I don't think I can actually check Key.

 

 

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This post was made this morning, well after D2 began, so you would have already received any night actions results. That means you would have already known Hallia was mafia. 
 

There is no Cop that posts a mountain of garbage like this and hides a red peek. 
 

Vote Turin

[Gudrean]

  On 4/8/2025 at 1:54 PM, DPR said:

Unvote Hallia

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I'm not understanding this?

[Verbal32]

  On 4/8/2025 at 2:02 PM, Gudrean said:

I'm not understanding this?

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Glad it wasn't just me, heh.

[DPR]

  On 4/8/2025 at 2:02 PM, Gudrean said:

I'm not understanding this?

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I don’t believe Turin. I do think he’s just another Mafia Messenger. 
 

I don’t see any world where the Cop also has another role. 
 

If Turin was the Cop and got red on Hally, he would never have invited her and voted Key. 
 

He’s obviously flailing - he began his “reveal” post by encouraging people to not read it. 
 

I don’t care that he was a mislynch on d1.  I don’t know that I care if he’s town today - he’s scum MVP for two days in a row. 
 

That’s where I’m at. 

[seph]

 

 

 

 

 

[DPR]

*unvoted - not invited 

[keyholder21]

  On 4/8/2025 at 1:51 PM, DPR said:

@keyholder21 just to confirm, the message from Turin included the terms “Town Informant” and “peek”, right? 
 

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Yes, it said both of those things. 

 

I understand DPR's doubting Turin, actually, but I'm having trouble doubting it though because it came from the mod and it literally said town informant. 

 

[seph]

  On 4/8/2025 at 2:09 PM, DPR said:

I don’t believe Turin. I do think he’s just another Mafia Messenger. 
 

I don’t see any world where the Cop also has another role. 
 

If Turin was the Cop and got red on Hally, he would never have invited her and voted Key. 
 

He’s obviously flailing - he began his “reveal” post by encouraging people to not read it. 
 

I don’t care that he was a mislynch on d1.  I don’t know that I care if he’s town today - he’s scum MVP for two days in a row. 
 

That’s where I’m at. 

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I can't ignore work atm but I need to catch up apparently.

[Verbal32]

  On 4/8/2025 at 2:09 PM, DPR said:

I don’t believe Turin. I do think he’s just another Mafia Messenger. 
 

I don’t see any world where the Cop also has another role. 
 

If Turin was the Cop and got red on Hally, he would never have invited her and voted Key. 
 

He’s obviously flailing - he began his “reveal” post by encouraging people to not read it. 
 

I don’t care that he was a mislynch on d1.  I don’t know that I care if he’s town today - he’s scum MVP for two days in a row. 
 

That’s where I’m at. 

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Ok, now I follow.

 

Well, one thing is super clear:  you guys are not the same alignment, heh.  I'm not sure I can bring myself to not vote with an uncc'd Cop, though.