MAFIA - The Suras Hunt [Game Thread]

[loki redfern]

4 on cleo i think

 

*edit* 8 to lynch and um bout 13? players

[Cleopatra Narisse]

SD ... *pets* I know you want some cookies and I would give them to you in an instant if they were just not... icky bribery cookies.

 

I am not real good at this game, this is my second such game. So... take that into consideration.

 

Secondly... I had seemed to have lost the entire list of what stone does what. I really am confused because I thought turning everyone innocent would have been rather helpful? But, I never thought about it if a bad guy had it.  :o

 

Would I get it, I would have given it to the Witch. But now I am seeing evidence that some of you think that is a misdirection??

 

*gaaahhhhhh!*

 

I am an innocent... last time I'll say it.

[loki redfern]

 

The Players:

 

1. Rufae

2. Far Dareis Mai

3. Good Grief

4. Barmacral

5. Sinister Death

6. Talya - Roleless Innocent. Dead Night 1

7. Dbob - Assassin. Dead Day 1

8. Jaydena - Roleless Innocent. Dead Day 1

9. Cleopatra

10. Toy & Minion - Roleless Innocent. Lynched Day 1

11. Jackdaw

12. Haxorsist

13. Vemynal

14. Ms. Danya

15. Delenn - Roleless Innocent. Dead Day 1

16. Ilgross - Assassin (Godfather) Dead Day 1

17. Kivam

18. Loki

19. Cloudcrono

 

Current Bonestone Status:

 

FOUND AND USED                    The Blue piece will give you the power to change one player's alignment to your choice. Kivam used this piece to turn Talya innocent. She was previously innocent.

 

IN PLAY                                    The Clear piece will allow you to block any night action one time.

 

IN PLAY                                    The Orange piece will give you two votes on one day.

 

FOUND AND USED                    The Yellow piece will let you force a player to reveal their alignment/role. Rufae has used this piece to reveal Kivam as a roleless innocent.

 

IN PLAY                                    The Black piece will change every player but one into an innocent. The new assassin will not be known to the old assassins. The stone holds a curse, and even if you find and lynch the new assassin, the curse will select another random player and change them into an assassin. The curse will last through three assassins.

 

* The Thief Play action is in effect*

 

IT IS NOW DAY 2.  WITH 13 PLAYERS, IT TAKES 8 VOTES TO LYNCH

 

Current Game Vote Count:

 

[glow=red,2,300]Cleo ( 4 ) [/glow]- Kivam, Loki, Vemy, Griefy

[glow=red,2,300]Danya ( 1 )[/glow] - drink

 

Day/Night/Action Summary:

 

Day 1

 

 

black bonestone changes everyone but one to innocent and if that one is lynched another takes their place as evil..which is bad for the good team as the one evil has a very good chance of surviving in some incarnation or other

[Cleopatra Narisse]

Well then, it's USELESS, really... isn't it? I really thought that once you killed the last assasin you would win.

 

Just like a fricken Fade or cockroach... they just come back.

 

 

*edits after reading the pub thread* Thanks Alys!!!

[Vemynal]

but what Kivam said is its useful to the previous murderers if they are about to lose because then there is a murderer who lives on in some form or another.

[DPR]

I'm at work, but as Loki has posted, I keep the stats page up to date with the vote count. Rules are posted on the first post of the puublic thread.

[Cleopatra Narisse]

Sorry folks, forced LOA from Tue. July 17 to Saturday. I'll be back then to see if I survived.  :)

[GoodGrief]

Hmm, inexperience doesn't excuse inconsistency. But I consider it rude to lynch someone in their absence so I'll [glow=red,2,300]Unvote Cleo[/glow]. Everyone deserves the chance to defend themselves to the last vote.

[Vemynal]

Goodgrief, in the newbie mafia game we just played it was because they waited for my excuse that the innocents lost. If you think someone a murderer then go for the lynch. Dilly dallying and letting them live is nothing more then letting a possible murderer slip free of your grasp.

 

+ there are no better candidates atm anyways so my vote stays where it is and implore others to do the same.

[GoodGrief]

It's not like there's a rush to lynch ... yet. And if I was really that sure of Cleo then my vote would still be there. As it is, the whole move to vote for her seemed a bit sudden. I guess we haven't really got much better to go on, but what's the rush? Rushing the lynch only gets us to night phase quicker.

[Kivam]

Griefy, in a game with russian roulette actions and random kills during the day, isn't getting to night quickly a good thing?

[DPR]

 

 

    The party is in full swing. Half of the group is dancing arm in arm, the other half yelling requests at Sam and the mermaid. But you have decided to sit in a back booth and watch, a grim feeling having stolen over you as the hours pass and Barm does not return. You spot three pirates as they walk in the swinging doors.  One sees you and walks over to your booth.

    “You know Barm?” He can tell by your expression that you do, and moves on without waiting for your answer. “I need the guy with three fingers on his left hand. I have a message for him from Barm.”  You know that he is talking about Kivam.  You pause, deciding whether or not to trust this guy when the decision is made for you. The other two pirates walk over with Kivam. The first pirate turns to him, looking at his left hand.

    “We have very little time. We are to escort your group to the Hall where Barm is waiting for you with news.”

      Kivam folds his arms across his chest like he is not going anywhere. “Why is Barm not here himself?”

    The pirate smiles.  “That’s why he picked you. He said you would figure it all out. I am supposed to tell you that he has met with the Minister and the Admiral, and that the Admiral is to him as Si’imre is to you. You are to keep your wits about you at all times. Gather the group and we’ll take you to the Hall.”

    Kivam turns to you, “Help me get everyone together. We’ll talk along the way.”

    In a matter of moments, you have the group is assembled. Well, everyone in the group but one; Cleo motions to Sam to come join the group. He shakes his head and hugs the mermaid, although with the amount of beer she has put back, squeezing her is probably not the best idea. Cleo points to the pirates, then the door.  Sam resigns himself to the situation, stands up, and with a dramatic flourish turns his back on her and stomps off of the stage. The crowd pushes towards the stage, calling for him to come back. The mermaid pretends to be grief stricken, and maybe she really is. Sam joins the group and you get the feeling that he is hesitant to leave this bar and the red-headed mermaid. Oh well, nothing for it now.

    The group sets off towards the staircase.

 

[Kivam]

For anyone who doesn't get the Si'imre reference . . . this is not good.  Not good at all.

[Kivam]

And greify, am I wrong, or should we be getting to night ASAP??

[Rufae]

I dunt trusht zeez piewarts. Dat's why dey be piewarts, wight?

[Kivam]

Let me rephrase it - GG, what's the value in staying in day for staying in day's sake?

[loki redfern]

we lost 4 people last time we stayed overlong in the day, granted 2 were evil, but this time we might not be so lucky if something happens again

[Kivam]

we lost 4 people last time we stayed overlong in the day, granted 2 were evil, but this time we might not be so lucky if something happens again

 

Exactly.  And Griefy, I'm finding it a tad suspicious that you seem to disagree (to the point of pushing for day to last until saturday, when Cleo returns).  Care to explain yourself?

[loki redfern]

awww alys is all alone, didumms *pokes*

 

and i seem to remember her pushing for toys lynch even when it became quite obvious to all he was innocent. as were many others, so this only really becomes significant if cleo were to turn out evil

[Guest Far Dareis Mai]

Info on Cleo: 

 

Cleo has been consistently joking around the entire game. The trick is to figure out which posts are jokes, and which are not. Since I am not a funny person, I am not a good judge of this.

 

Here is her first ‘real’ post directed at the game:

am not using any references to pick a name. I know that one person must be chosen to so, I closed my eyes and spun my finger around and it landed. *shrugs* Right now I am looking over the crew to see how has shifty eyes.

 

But now we run into some contradictions: Cleo doesn’t like bandwagoning, but she is all for the random vote. Is there really much of a difference?

it was both Loki. You finally did show up but I still did pick totally at random. I know it could have been me just as well.

 

All kills right now are about 99% random. To try to figure our why someone is voting for so and so right now.. is going to be a tuff thing to do *LOL*

 

But that does NOT mean to ignore the comments. I have a file on all of you's.

 

*squinty eyes the crowd of somewhat evil peoples*

walking around

 

 

 

Here we see Cleo urging others to change their vote to one of the two main: Loki or Sin. She doesn’t care which, but people need to change their votes.

Dead even tie *no pun intended* between Loki and Sin.

 

Okay... anyone who voted for the other's who are clearing behind in lynch points need to shift their vote to either one with lead points.

 

I don't care which. Gawd that sounded aweful. Sorry *hugs nearly dead peeps*

 

Between Loki or Sin... who is it that gives you the beebie jeebies?

 

Though in her next post she says that she doesn’t even get a bad vibe off of them—

I can't even say that in honesty. Loki is my totally random pick. So as harsh as it seems, I have no real "creepy" feelings for either.

 

I have to depend on you all 

 

Well, Hax we can only decided by points. If you dont really want SD unvote him but... lets get serious... time is wasting!!!

 

If you really think it someone else Hax.... who?

 

DSage: if you think that we need a compelling offer for someone.

 

What ever your votes are... we are winding down. I think less than 8 hours?? Haven't looks back since the 12 hour warning... but it's getting down there.

 

I know that this vote will only give us information. Not so much that we will pick the right one.

 

I am going to wait and see where the crowd heads. That's the only way left for me, right now.

 

Again with her loving the random vote:

As I stated in the beginning for alllll eyes to see, my votes are totally random. There cannot possibly be enough evidence against any player right now to give a "logical" opnion.

 

I am waiting to vote witht the crowd. Simple as that. I will vot whoever they vote, so that we can get one damn day outta the way!!!

 

Changes her vote from the previous lead Loki, to DSage.

If you really are wanting to go, then I  unvote Loki and vote Dsage I'm sorry man.

 

Here is Cleo feeling guilty for bandwagoning:

You aren't dead yet. :p

 

I appreciate your willingness to do this... well. not "willingness" but you know what I mean?

 

I would love to see you on the public game thread, if indeed you are gone.

 

 

 

Feels sad to do this.

 

And now we come to Cleo casting suspicion on GG. She finds her logic suspicious.

GG, it appears to me that your logic is undeniably, suspicious. If you were a bad guy you wouldn't want us to use it now would you.

As soon as Cleo says that however, Kivam slaps her with a quick vote. Right on his heels (and I mean almost literally), Loki, and Vemy.

 

However, now Cleo is going to stop her random vote apparently. She says she is going to conduct a few more investigations before she puts in her final vote.

I am want to investigate a few more before I vote. A few are on Vacations.

 

And we have the confused Cleo wondering where Kivam is pulling all of this from. (I’m thinking two people, on very different pages at this point).

 

This is exactly why I said what I said, because I am an innocent. :p  Best way put!

 

If you vote me out, I will want a major long sting of begging for my forgiveness for being so blantantly wrong. I think I am more excited about that than anything.

 

Cleo basically finishes by saying that she is new to the game, and she is innocent…for the last time.

I am not real good at this game, this is my second such game. So... take that into consideration.

 

Secondly... I had seemed to have lost the entire list of what stone does what. I really am confused because I thought turning everyone innocent would have been rather helpful? But, I never thought about it if a bad guy had it. 

 

Would I get it, I would have given it to the Witch. But now I am seeing evidence that some of you think that is a misdirection??

 

*gaaahhhhhh!*

 

I am an innocent... last time I'll say it.

 

I think the lightbulb finally comes on when it is explained what the black bonestone does. Again, I’m getting that Cleo and other were on two different pages…

Well then, it's USELESS, really... isn't it? I really thought that once you killed the last assasin you would win.

 

Just like a fricken Fade or cockroach... they just come back.

 

Conclusion: Cleo says her votes are completely random, but she also says that she goes with the leading vote, but she says she hates bandwagoning—which is exactly what she is doing…then she turns around and starts saying that she is going to investigate people before she puts in a vote. In a word: inconsistent.

She tries to cast suspicion on GG, gets a wrist slap of votes, and is completely confused why people are voting for her. Either she is playing a merry game of cat and mouse, or the lines of communication are getting crossed. Either way, it’s all very confusing. My suspicious light is now turned on.

 

Thus far I've done Jackdaw, Danya, and half done on Vemy. I'll start GoodGrief now. Even if it doesn't help others, it certainly helps me when I see their information clumped together as one. *shrugs*

 

[Kivam]

Very helpful . . .

 

I'm still waiting on an answer from Griefy (who I assume has just not checked in yet?)

[SinisterDeath]

awww alys is all alone, didumms *pokes*

 

and i seem to remember her pushing for toys lynch even when it became quite obvious to all he was innocent. as were many others, so this only really becomes significant if cleo were to turn out evil

 

Are you volunteering to give alys some company? :P

[Guest Far Dareis Mai]

Information regarding GoodGrief:

 

Before Griefy heads out of town, she puts her vote of Rufae. In her defense, she writes:

I could debate further but there is one thing that is very attractive about Rufae as a random lynchee, and that is that he's not me. Put simply, I'm going away for a week and I'd hate to be looking forward to coming back to this game (looking forward, that is, from the comfort of my freezing cold tent every night) for all that time and then finding out I'd been randomkilled on the first day because you guys flopped around for three days after I was gone.

That and even a random lynch gives us something to work with, while a randomkill gives nothing.

 

In conclusion: Rufae. Sorry. I'm sure that at some point Kivam will pounce on someone with a stunning but abstract reason why they are the best lynch to give us information and you'll spend the rest of the day debating whether or not he's evil, but I have to work with the info I have in the time I have.

 

Comes back from vacation, and unvotes Rufae.

 

Clearly she makes sense in pushing for a vote count under the circumstances—too bad it was the wrong guy.

You know what, no time. Why you guys have been running around like headless chooks I have no idea but the plain fact is that we need to lynch nownownownownow. And it doesn't matter who so much as it matters that it is done.

 

Why?

 

We have three confirmed innocents, one who is totally non-lynchable and two who might as well be because ... well because they're confirmed innocents. If we lynch someone, that's one less randomkill to take out one of them. Are you hearing this? Discussion and analysis is an excellent thing, but the pure fact is that according to the latest estimate we are clean out of time.

 

DSage until I get an official votecount.

 

And to clarify, just in case people didn’t catch the “you gotta vote now” stance (GG was on the ball, when wrangling up players for this vote:

To clarify, I'm not suggesting we discard the discussion that has gone on before, but it needs to give way to actually doing things now. We have to work with the debate that we've already seen and not keep dragging issues out. So no more bumbling and umming and being deer caught in headlights, the lorry is approaching and you need to make a decision. A not-lynch now would be the best for the assassins because that's one more randomkill to potentially take out Barm or one of the confirmed innocents. You don't want to sit on your hands and say 'well it's all random anyway ...'

 

It aint. The first day is always heavily analysed, either on the day or later. Lynching gives us something, randomkill gives us nothing (except for the ilgross kill, which was a fantastic stroke of luck. But I don't think we'll get another today, somehow) and may potentially erase one of our most valuable players.

 

GG on the black bonestone:

I seriously, honestly hope that no one uses the black bonestone. Thinking about it from all possible angles, I just don't see how that would benefit either side, even and especially in desperate circumstances. For an innocent side that sees itself beseiged it would probably be too late to catch three assassins all of whom were completely innocent before. For a lone evil player who sees the noose looming? Maybe. But they'd more than likely become innocent and I feel that in a black bonestone situation the advantage would lie with the cursed assassin role.

 

Suggestion: if found, turn it in to the witch. Then we'll see, I guess.

 

Because it would do them no good (unless it has different powers for them than for us), that's why.

Why on earth would they want to lose all certainty about who is on whose side and be in the same boat as us (metaphorically rather than narratively speaking, of course)? When the black bonestone is used there is only one assassin, and they don't get to pick who that is. Sheer probability dictates that they will all likely get tossed out into the innocent team, meaning their survival is now tied to finding the new assassin, and the two that come after. And how the hell does anyone go about doing that? Anyone of any alignment faces the same probable outcome when considering using the black bonestone: that of having no clue as to who their enemy is and nothing to work with. Nobody wants to be facing that situation, so I doubt anyone of any alignment will use it. Which leads me to what I'm driving at:

 

This all leads me to believe that its real use lies in being given over to the witch, as was mentioned somewhere in the dim, dark recesses of page two.

 

Places her vote on Cleo:

I don't really get how my logic is anything but the truth - all I've said is that I've looked at it from every possible angle and barring important info that we don't have then that piece of bonestone is of exactly no use to any player. So why does it exist? And what I'm driving at is that if its real use lies not in being used by the players, then it must have some special effect when turned over to the mod.

 

And I hope you wouldn't really use it, Cleo. Any side that gets desperate enough to use the black bonestone, it's probably too late for anyway. That's the long and the short of it. In conclusion: Cleo seems to be the flavour of the day, and I'm more than inclined to agree.

 

Inconsistency? GG knows that in this sort of game, the longer day is out, the likelier that Wes is going to start a bunch of random lynching. Why decide to put on the brakes now?

Hmm, inexperience doesn't excuse inconsistency. But I consider it rude to lynch someone in their absence so I'll Unvote Cleo. Everyone deserves the chance to defend themselves to the last vote.

It's not like there's a rush to lynch ... yet. And if I was really that sure of Cleo then my vote would still be there. As it is, the whole move to vote for her seemed a bit sudden. I guess we haven't really got much better to go on, but what's the rush? Rushing the lynch only gets us to night phase quicker.

 

Conclusion: Very insightful comments regarding gameplay. Inconsistent when it comes to voting. The reason why the first sentence is significant, is because I feel that GG is quite easily understandable when communicating her thoughts. I don’t see how Cleo could have been sooo off base in misinterpreting what GG was saying. Perhaps the whole interlude was on purpose? Though that is not what makes me the most suspicious about this. What I see as odd is her rushing the Toy lynch, and squealing the brakes for this next one. Granted, we KNEW at that point we needed to lynch someone, but the fact that a lynch is needed has not changed, only the rush of it. But with as long as this has been dragging out thus far, why not stay consistent and hurry the rest of us along? It merits suspicion, until she can give an explanation.

 

[Guest Far Dareis Mai]

Information on Jackdaw:

 

Jackdaw’s first relevant post is a vote for Loki. His reasoning is:

sorry, forgot to put my reason. Voting Jaydenna because she is number 8 is hardly reason enough to vote.

(He clearly isn’t aware of Loki’s number 8 tendancies).

 

Votes for Loki again…

I'm going to go with loki

 

sorry if you're innocent, but we really don't have a lot of time!

 

He tries to clarify with Cleo:

Does that mean the innocents would want to use it, Cleo?  I for one, don't.  It won't help anyone, only hurt us all.  But I think who ever has the bonestone understands this by now.  I hope so, anyways.

 

And then…

Whoa, everyone, just chill out.  I make a small coment and three people jump on cleo.  Did I miss something?

 

Conclusion: Jack posts quite a bit—but they are either unrelated to the game, or they are questions about what is happening in the game. I get the distinct impression from his posts that he doesn’t go back and read through all the posts before he says something. His vote has remained consistent on Loki throughout the entire game, and that’s about it.

 

[Guest Far Dareis Mai]

Information on MsDanya:

 

First game related post by Ms.Danya:

Voting randomly in earlier games have never worked for me., if anything, they have made sure I die early, or that we lose some innocent player, so this time I will hold my vote until we actually see some evidence.

just posting to let people know i'm around *nods*

 

Here she contemplates a random vote:

Ilgross, you cant really base your vote on what happened in a previous game. this is a new game, and the roles have been changed. just saying 

 

hmm maybe I should do a Goldy, and vote for whoever is number 8 ol the list..  or was that Loki? *ponders*

 

Misses her first Call and Action response.

 

She hates the glow button, so much that she is willing to take a vote over it.

I jsut have to say that I really dont use the glowbutton out of principle cause I hate it so much. so in he future I might just take the one vote. I dont care.

 

yes I hate the glow and moving THAT much.

 

its so difficult to decide who to vote for  I think i'll just hold my vote for now and wait at least one night before voting.

 

And here is another person confused---

this game confuses me 

 

what are we supposed to do now? and if it takes more than a day after we go to night, doesnt that mean that there wont be random deaths before next night? so we can lynch now and get off the island before we get cought by evil bushmen?

 

Though there are points in this game where I feel the exact same way. 

 

Danya asks for deadlines:

and pages since I checked here last night? thats alot people!

 

Wes, are you concidering maybe put in a deadline for Day 1 soon?

 

Danya responds to Loki’s wacky list of suspects:

i'm a suspect without reasons? that means you could have switched my name with any of the other innocents here? just wondering

 

We finally get some input about what Danya is thinking:

hmmm, i'm not sure with Cleo either, but i dont think thats enough to vote on her.

 

i'm with Hax, I cant seem to find much thats suspicious by anyone really

 

Conclusion: too little information to really make any kind of assessment. She hates the glow… she has yet to vote, that’s about it.