RAGNAROK AVERTED - TOWN WINS (Including EP)

[ed2funy]

1 hour ago, Duk3star said:

 

I do not have a limitation on abilities I can absord so theoretically everybody could target me with their actions and I could confirm everybody. The only problem is I don't know if there is a strongarm mechanic. Oh man, a mass claim would have broke this game lol. Dice doesn't res Ed but me after we force everybody to target me with their night actions. I become the ultimate mech cop. 

 

But Dice is dead.

[Gabriel Kross]

2 minutes ago, ed2funy said:

@Shad_ I don’t think you’re understanding. Ed 1.0 (Agnarr

Cop) is dead. 

I am reborn and brought back from Valhalla. Ed 2.0. 

so you're a baby monkey now? Also, thoughts on all the pertinent conversation?

[Shad_]

1 minute ago, Eternal Phoenix said:

not that I've ever seen. just changes win condition. Only 2 options, he chose a bad target, or someone nullified his recruitment ability meaning he can never get the majority.

 

A player who can no longer complete their wincon and has no means to receive a new one would simply be removed from the game

 

 

[Shad_]

that doesn't mean there isn't a non-aligned player floating out there who can be recruited by a cult or something though

[ed2funy]

2 minutes ago, Shad_ said:

 

ok I thought you were openly claiming that your character changed, as in whole new role card vs simply being vanillaized

 

Oh. Yes. My character changed. Agnarr (Ed 1) is dead. I’m (Ed 2) not Agnarr. 

[Lenlo]

1 minute ago, Shad_ said:

 

A player who can no longer complete their wincon and has no means to receive a new one would simply be removed from the game

 

 

Not necessarily true. This is Darthe, and we have no proof of their wincon.

 

Also, why assume they turn town?

[ed2funy]

I don’t like gaming the mod like this. Not too much. Speculating on game mechanics gets you to hyper focus on those more narrow possibilities. 

[Gabriel Kross]

1 minute ago, Shad_ said:

 

A player who can no longer complete their wincon and has no means to receive a new one would simply be removed from the game

 

 

I disagree. At that point it is best for said person to choose a side to help. and then just wifom the crap out of the rest of the game. Them staying in balances out how much frontloaded power town has.

[Shad_]

4 minutes ago, Lenlo said:

Dont think for a second just because someone is "Defeated" they are now town.

 

I reference you to WW2 mafia by Basel in the Black Tower. Never trust an alignment swap to town. More often than not they are lying.

 

Really, how often do you see a non-town turn town? Its 99% of the time the other way around.

 

Psychiatrist/SK is a thing

 

but I kind of talked myself out of it anyway

 

at least as a pure town vs SKs with a psychiatrist causing the D1 announcement thing

 

"Lying" we're talking about the mod announcement, not someone's claim though

[Andrej]

1 minute ago, ed2funy said:

I don’t like gaming the mod like this. Not too much. Speculating on game mechanics gets you to hyper focus on those more narrow possibilities. 

 

This is about as good a lead as we’ve gotten this game.

[Shad_]

Just now, Eternal Phoenix said:

I disagree. At that point it is best for said person to choose a side to help. and then just wifom the crap out of the rest of the game. Them staying in balances out how much frontloaded power town has.

 

Choose a side as in choose a new wincon is fine; a player who has permanently lost the game has no place in the game

 

Like it's literally no different than inviting someone in from the spec thread to post random crap in the thread for yucks

[Lenlo]

Im just saying Shad, you will never be able to convince me that an SK/3rd Party turned town. I have made that exact claim myself and had it succeed to many times to ever accept it as a reality.

 

I will lynch that slot 100% of the time.

[Gabriel Kross]

1 minute ago, Shad_ said:

 

Psychiatrist/SK is a thing

 

but I kind of talked myself out of it anyway

 

at least as a pure town vs SKs with a psychiatrist causing the D1 announcement thing

 

"Lying" we're talking about the mod announcement, not someone's claim though

again the wincon was speculation on my part we don't know for sure the wincon was voided all we know is what Darthe announced.

[ed2funy]

We have one tidbit to go off of and don’t know exactly how Darthe has interpreted the pacifist SK being defeated affects that player or the game. 

 

It could be they revert to town. It could be they flip to mafia. It could be they keep their wincon as 3rd party but lose abilities. *shrugs*

[Shad_]

3 minutes ago, Lenlo said:

Not necessarily true. This is Darthe, and we have no proof of their wincon.

 

Also, why assume they turn town?

 

I guess it could be a sort of quasi-Lost Wolf SK who loses their individual wincon and joins the pack if targetted

 

I've mostly been speculating under the theory that a traditional scum team might not exist

[Shad_]

4 minutes ago, Lenlo said:

Im just saying Shad, you will never be able to convince me that an SK/3rd Party turned town. I have made that exact claim myself and had it succeed to many times to ever accept it as a reality.

 

I will lynch that slot 100% of the time.

 

I mean the kicker here is that it was a mod announcement.

[Shad_]

3 minutes ago, ed2funy said:

It could be they keep their wincon as 3rd party but lose abilities. *shrugs*

 

I doubt that ever merits an announcement.

[Shad_]

Like

 

They were defeated! when they actually weren't and we can still lose to them solo, they just no longer have KP

 

would be pretty broken

[Gabriel Kross]

aren't there abilities that do mod announcements though?

[Andrej]

We’re gonna clutter the thread with all the spec.

 

from my POV there was an announcement of a Pacifist SK and we have a dude who No Lynch voted on D1. Big coincidence. I have no clue what it means they were defeated because no one left the game.

 

Thats about as good a guilty as I can find right now.

[Gabriel Kross]

1 minute ago, Andrej said:

We’re gonna clutter the thread with all the spec.

 

from my POV there was an announcement of a Pacifist SK and we have a dude who No Lynch voted on D1. Big coincidence. I have no clue what it means they were defeated because no one left the game.

 

Thats about as good a guilty as I can find right now.

and it's why I'm voting BG.

[keyholder21]

Vote Count 2.6

 

BG: AJ, EP

Kat: Lenlo, Ley, Sooh

 

Not voting (9/14): BG, Kat, Shad, Duke, Hally, DPR, Nyn, Eddie, Krak

 

 

 

Vote Count 2.1 | Vote Count 2.2 | Vote Count 2.3 | Vote Count 2.4 | Vote Count 2.5

[keyholder21]

@Shad_ - I can't edit the OP, but I will ask darthe to add End of Phase links. 

[Shad_]

10 minutes ago, Eternal Phoenix said:

aren't there abilities that do mod announcements though?

 

Not like that.

 

It was stated directly by the moderator with no strings attached.

 

A public messenger type has some level of distinction so the players know it's not mod gospel.  It can be vague enough for wolves to exploit if town's not attentive but it's never indistinguishable.

 

At least in regular games.  I think some bastard icing on this cake was implicit but I would still go with I really really doubt it.

[Krakalakachkn]

If this isn't a hammer game then is there a way to end the day early or do we have to wait for almost 21 hours to pass?