RAGNAROK AVERTED - TOWN WINS (Including EP)

[Shad_]

I'll try to make some time in the morning to catch up on what I missed today. 

[Andrej]

5 minutes ago, Lenlo said:

To be more precise, the results are got were "Nothing".

 

So possible RB, but I have no proof for that.

 

That would make me think RB too.

[bgrishinko]

In that scenario it'd be more prudent to just Not Vote though. I wouldn't take flak for it and I'd just blend in with the other non voters. Essentially I was really just saying on record I didn't find either a great choice at that point. 

 

I did have some remorse after learning Ed's role since I could have swayed the vote the other way potentially, but it could just have easily been worse the other way too from my perspective. I still stand by my decision. 

[Andrej]

Just now, bgrishinko said:

In that scenario it'd be more prudent to just Not Vote though. I wouldn't take flak for it and I'd just blend in with the other non voters. Essentially I was really just saying on record I didn't find either a great choice at that point. 

 

I did have some remorse after learning Ed's role since I could have swayed the vote the other way potentially, but it could just have easily been worse the other way too from my perspective. I still stand by my decision. 

 

That would’ve left you and Kat as the only active non-voters. So maybe not as public but still noticeable.

 

anyway, let’s talk about other stuff. Who do you think would be a good person to press today?

[bgrishinko]

Honestly... Kat. Lol. 

[Andrej]

49 minutes ago, Lenlo said:

Yay, Eds back. Question: Wasn't Katiora dying? So someone redirected that onto Amega.

 

Question is: Was Kat targeted by a vig, and the shot was transferred by wolves to save her, or was it transferred by a towny to save her?

 

Kat could be vengeful or something like that. Doesn’t explain how Amega got killed but it seems pretty clear it’s involved with her being a target. Dice was the NK I’d assume, which was unexpected imo.

[keyholder21]

I'll be back in the (CST) morning!

 

Vote Count 2.2

 

BG: AJ

Kat: Lenlo

 

Not voting (12/14): EP, BG, Kat, Shad, Sooh, Duke, Hally, DPR, Ley, Nyn, Eddie, Krak

 

 

 

Vote Count 2.1

 

@DPR - sorry I missed one of your votes D1. It is now my mission, my good sir, to find and ferry all your votes to the vote count where they belong! ;)

[bgrishinko]

Redirecting onto an inactive from Kat is only a town thing to do if you are convinced Kat is innocent imo. 

[Andrej]

So

 

Krak

Ed

Len

Nyn, maybe.

 

Krak is IC. Ed got rezzed by Dice most likely and if his power brings back a player to only have them change alignments that’s pretty negative in utility. So maybe he’s nerfed or vanilla or has a different role or something. Either way, gonna roll with him as still town. Len is on record with a character and role claim as well as a result. So unless he’s pulling a long con and plans to lie his way through the game he’s off the table. Nyn is a triple  voter and considering that is Town’s de facto way of killing scum I have a hard time believing that role would be anything but town.

 

Everyone else is up for discussion imo. Some I’d be more interested in than others but Ed/Amega both being town could mean I’m miss clearing in my town leans.

[bgrishinko]

Key confirmed vote ferry. 

[Lenlo]

1 minute ago, Andrej said:

So

 

Krak

Ed

Len

Nyn, maybe.

 

Krak is IC. Ed got rezzed by Dice most likely and if his power brings back a player to only have them change alignments that’s pretty negative in utility. So maybe he’s nerfed or vanilla or has a different role or something. Either way, gonna roll with him as still town. Len is on record with a character and role claim as well as a result. So unless he’s pulling a long con and plans to lie his way through the game he’s off the table. Nyn is a triple  voter and considering that is Town’s de facto way of killing scum I have a hard time believing that role would be anything but town.

 

Everyone else is up for discussion imo. Some I’d be more interested in than others but Ed/Amega both being town could mean I’m miss clearing in my town leans.

That would make for a fun game though.

 

BG, what I dont get is, how do you think Kat is innocent. What is your case/reasoning there?

 

Basically, who do YOU think the wolves are?

[bgrishinko]

Yeah, I agree about Ed. The disheveledness makes me think he might only be partially effective as well. 

 

I've got him in my town boat as well. 

[Andrej]

4 minutes ago, bgrishinko said:

Redirecting onto an inactive from Kat is only a town thing to do if you are convinced Kat is innocent imo. 

 

That’s true but without more info it doesn’t make Kat scum 100% of the time.

[bgrishinko]

Never said I thought Kat was innocent, but nothing really troubled me from her play to make me think she was a good choice for a lynch. 

 

I'm piecing together evidence to think about who's best scum candidates at this point based on results. The fact Kat was protected/redirected/something confuses me a great deal though today. 

 

 

[Andrej]

7 minutes ago, bgrishinko said:

Never said I thought Kat was innocent, but nothing really troubled me from her play to make me think she was a good choice for a lynch. 

 

I'm piecing together evidence to think about who's best scum candidates at this point based on results. The fact Kat was protected/redirected/something confuses me a great deal though today. 

 

 

 

In time maybe it’ll become more clear. There’s more than one fish to fry though and even if Kat is scum she’ll have teammates.

[Andrej]

I also think Kat said she won’t be around on the weekends (she hasn’t posted since before DL yesterday) so we might not hear from her until Monday.

 

we can look in more than one direction at once.

[bgrishinko]

Ah. 

 

Overall I want to analyze the full list of people on the Ed train first. No more time tonight though to go back. Mothers day Eve and the wife is lonely while I'm on my phone. 

[Andrej]

On 5/11/2018 at 5:04 PM, Darthe said:

Vote Count 1.8 (FINAL)

 

 

Ed2funy: Lenlo, Nyn, Nyn, Krak, Hally, EP

Kat: Sooh, Shad, Ley, Ed, AJ, DPR

Hallia: Duke, Nyn

No Lynch: BG

 

 

Not Voting (4/16)

Kat, Amega, Ley, Dice

 

 

Vote Count 1.1 | Vote Count 1.2 | Vote Count 1.3 | Vote Count 1.4 | Vote Count 1.5 | Vote Count 1.6 | Vote Count 1.7

 

 

*Edited to reflect a missed EP vote on Ed.

 

D1 final. Should be noted that before DPR both switched to Kat after Ed claimed Cop, which would’ve lynched her. Recount showed EP had voted Ed which tied the wagons. We all know the results. So at its highest Ed had 8 votes and Kat with four.

 

Kat didn’t vote. Amega was AFK and Dice had his vote stolen. I don’t remember who he was voting before that.

[bgrishinko]

So removing Lenlo and Krak from that list leaves us Nyn x2, Hally, and EP. 

[bgrishinko]

Hally is a big white space in my memory and EP and Nyn I kind of put on my brain's backburner due to drama. I'll have to go back and recheck. 

[Gabriel Kross]

1 hour ago, bgrishinko said:

Kat was the other major train yesterday other than Ed. I'm of the opinion a Vig probably tried targeting Kat. It'd resolve the 2nd day 1 train and we'd get information from her death and train same as if lynched. Redirect could have been mafia or friendly protecting onto a more inactive person. Doesn't seem a coincidence Amega was an inactive. That being said, I'm not really certain who'd try to protect Kat as town. 

 

Also, hate to be that guy but Ed probably has changed somewhat based on the information given. 

I'm pretty sure Kat is safe.

1 hour ago, Lenlo said:

To be more precise, the results are got were "Nothing".

 

So possible RB, but I have no proof for that.

As I have stated, I'm about 80% sure there is a RB in this game.

1 hour ago, Lenlo said:

That would make for a fun game though.

 

BG, what I dont get is, how do you think Kat is innocent. What is your case/reasoning there?

 

Basically, who do YOU think the wolves are?

Sooh and Duke. Duke agreed in chat to fire at Sooh atleast that's how I took his interactions with me. I know Duke wasn't RB'd redirected or prevented in any way. Sooh and Duke are mafia together.

[Leyrann]

Vote: Kat

 

This redirect stinks.

 

1 hour ago, bgrishinko said:

Ugh... I'm going to have to go through this again... No Lynch exists for a reason. If you can't in good conscience find a suitable lynch candidate it's in the best interest to not lynch in my opinion. 

 

If you automatically assumes that's scummy, fine. Not much I can do about that. But I would like an explanation of Why it sets off your scumdar. What advantage would it bring me as mafia? 

 

It removes agency from town.

 

1 hour ago, Andrej said:

Dice was the NK I’d assume, which was unexpected imo.

 

Quite logical, imo. He was right on his town game.

[Leyrann]

Like, no reason at all anyone who knows Dice would ever vote him. He basically had lynch immunity.

[Gabriel Kross]

Just now, Eternal Phoenix said:

I'm pretty sure Kat is safe.

As I have stated, I'm about 80% sure there is a RB in this game.

Sooh and Duke. Duke agreed in chat to fire at Sooh atleast that's how I took his interactions with me. I know Duke wasn't RB'd redirected or prevented in any way. Sooh and Duke are mafia together.

For the record. If Duke did shoot, he killed Dice.

[Gabriel Kross]

VOTE: DUKE