Safari mafia [basic] - game thread

[Cory Caboose]

Rather than spam the thread I'm going to focus more on rereading and post again when I have more coherent thoughts unless anyone has any questions for me.

 

But... I also deeply doubt Niniel would bus AJ (she very very rarely busses, and I doubt would bus an asset like AJ) in that given situation, and she's been villagery in total as well, so that's nice. It would have been very easy for Niniel to vote Lenlo & peace out, and turn tmrw into whoever is surviving of me/Shad vs. AJ at the minimum.

[Shad_]

Oh sick we have night chat

 

my primary thought while spacing out to Curious George episodes was that if Niniel Kaylee Arie and Lenlo are villagers we're golden

 

ok now back to Curious George, will be around tonight though

[Ironeyes]

  On 2/7/2018 at 7:53 AM, Andrej said:

 

I’m not really sure how you interpreted it that way. You said Darthe will reveal himself eventually if he’s scum, and I paraphrased a bit. I know you said you read my original post wrong but fwiw I did think your stance there was a little odd.

 

I’d be curious to hear what Darthe thinks about you and anything you’ve got on him.

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I am also interested in Darthe's take on me. Or anyone else for that matter. Derf, you in this game buddy? BTW I'm gonna be Zander-style catching up from page 13 where the game was when I went to sleep last night. Had a busy day of class and work. 

 

  On 2/7/2018 at 8:03 AM, amegakure said:

Im keeping up at work cant really get after anything till morning. 

 

@Ironeyes Im interested in how you interpret my post on meta play as sowing dissension? I have yet to really make up my mind on them ( shad, kay, corey). 

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It may just be your natural style of analysis but it seemed like you were leaving little strings of sus that you could come back and follow up on later. It's a really good way to "lead the town" as scum

 

  On 2/7/2018 at 9:11 AM, Niniel said:

Okay. I commented on your defense of Darthe, you have something to say about that?

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I misread a post and posted my reaction. Seems pretty self-explanatory. Unless you posted something directed at me but I missed it

[Ironeyes]

Holy smokes. Page 26? I really need to take up my old habit of playing at work again. 

[Ironeyes]

  On 2/7/2018 at 1:29 PM, Kaylee said:

Not gonna sugar coat things, I don't have strong reads yet but will list players in groups from town to scum. Middle will be null. 

 

Town

Arie - she's straightforward and feels like she's trying to figure things out. Doesn't go with the flow. Good look

Cory - same as before. Feel like he's gathering his town core. The way he's going about it seems TownCory to me. 

Niniel - I like what I've seen so far. The initial post felt good and the questions since haven't changed that. 

Leno - his catch up felt genuine. Not sure hoe to word it, but basically the way he admitted to leaving stuff out and not knowing the vanilla set up gave me a good vibe. 

Shad - Feels like town. He still has me questioning his sincerity. But his goofy behavior and relaxed feel has a townie vibe. 

 

Null - I just feel I dont have enough from them. They are in no particular order. Amega and Darthe are the hardest for me to read. 

AJ, Darthe, Iron, BG, Amega 

 

 I'd be willing and likely to vote Iron so far. Amega I feel gets mislynched when town due to playstyle so wanna give him some room. BG and AJ I feel will be more obvious after some time. Darthe is always a hard one for me to read. Could technically vote here too as of this moment. 

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Any particular reasoning why you're willing to vote me? The rest of the list seems fine; kind of a cop-out on AJ and Darthe but I get it. Some people you just can't read immediately. 

 

  On 2/7/2018 at 1:32 PM, Cory Caboose said:

9 hours to EOD and this is functionally going to be a guess

I'm voting amega because his thread entrance literally seem built to try and divide Shad & Kaylee (and to some lesser extent, me/Shad/Kaylee) and I remember his wolf game being basically "try to disrupt the village")

He does the same thing trying to turn a jokey interaction between me & AJ into something "deeper" and indicates he feels it's indicative / relevant

 

As much as villagers can respond poorly to pressure, I thought his reaction to my vote was a bit over the top, but what concerned me more is that he has otherwise taken very little interest in the thread at large ... there's a sort of grim determination is his post to fulfill his role rather the sort of poking, prodding and background thought that villagers have. 

 

I'm not super confident or secure on this, but that's my best thought for now. Anyone else has a suspect or preferred lynch, well, now's the time to start the discussion

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The bold matches what I think about Amega's posts sowing dissension. Glad to see I'm not the only one who saw it

[Ironeyes]

Up to the end of page 16. Darthe's entrance and initial analysis sit well with me. He's being the helpful version of himself, which is usually a town signal. 

[Ironeyes]

Oh, and he town read me. Sweeeet. That's not really alignment indicative in any way, but it still feels nice. 

[Ironeyes]

  On 2/7/2018 at 6:48 PM, Cory Caboose said:

trying to remember the english alphabet

 

does it go something like

 

a bg cfd?

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I'M. DYING. 

I just laughed so hard I had to bury my face in a pillow to keep my roommates from thinking I finally snapped from the stress. 

[Kaylee]

  On 2/7/2018 at 9:27 PM, Andrej said:

 

The post you quoted and your vote don’t really make sense together?

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I had said I would switch my vote to consolidate. I wasn't caught up and didn't see all the votes on you. I thought my vote tied the trains and wanted to see where it would go from there. At the time I voted there were other votes on you besides mine.

 

 

  On 2/7/2018 at 9:58 PM, Shad_ said:

Are you really this confident that Cory and I are town?

 

It's not like I've never pushed a tough target out the gate as scum before.

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I liked this post from Shad. Really good look for him.

 

 

  On 2/7/2018 at 10:31 PM, bgrishinko said:

 

Yeah, see that's the point though. Even as a joke, its a manipulative strat to get on someone's good side. So let's play out if Kaylee is town then since the majority seem to agree on that for now. 

 

As town: You are legit just joking around. Whatever. See what can be gleamed from it. This is what you claim.

 

As mafia: You see a strong town vibe and maybe sense that people will rally around her. Get her on your good side and you are gold. Or Maybe she has some incorrect views you wish to propagate by NKing her and letting those opinions hang forever. 

 

Either way, the cost benefit of your actions are higher as mafia, and so statistically there's a better chance your actions are motivated by this. 

 

In a basic game though, in my opinion, the only major reason for deceit is to be mafia. Town that tries to get too tricky in a basic game generally just muddies things up more often than not.

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I like how BG is showing his thought process. This makes sense. Cory is town for rallying the lynch against mafia, but at the time this was posted it was well thought out and shows BG's trying to find scum.

 

 

 

  On 2/7/2018 at 10:48 PM, bgrishinko said:

Yeah ok. Fair Enough.

 

Taking in that strategy though, keeping your opinions and votes reasoning to yourself  ("nothing I wanna talk about yet...") is also antithetical to what you just tried to explain. Yeah, yeah, gauging reactions, blah blah. It's day 1 so anything goes I guess though. 

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OMG!!! It's THE PHRASE *squee* Love it.

 

 

  On 2/8/2018 at 12:14 AM, Ironeyes said:

Any particular reasoning why you're willing to vote me? The rest of the list seems fine; kind of a cop-out on AJ and Darthe but I get it. Some people you just can't read immediately. 

 

The bold matches what I think about Amega's posts sowing dissension. Glad to see I'm not the only one who saw it

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Yes, I explained it. Of the bottom I felt BG and AJ would've shown their identities as time went on. Darthe and Amega are the hardest to read for me. I didn't have anything from you that said you were town. Therefore you were in the willing to lynch pile.

[bgrishinko]

  On 2/7/2018 at 8:50 PM, Andrej said:

 

I’d say remember this later on when she starts to fade, but you’re probably dead N1 anyway and then we can laugh at each other in the DT.

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Darg. Stupid lack of nested quotes. Now I can't remember who AJ was talking to here. In any case, this seemed and odd thing to say. It basically makes me think that AJ had a strong knowledge he was going to get lynched for certain at this point. This makes be believe that the mafia team had decided to make AJ a sacrificial lamb and therefore there's at least 1 busser on the train.

 

  On 2/7/2018 at 8:58 PM, Andrej said:

Yeah I’m actually super tempted to wagon Nini. That switch from me to Lenlo was super opportunistic. I just saw on last page she mentioned that I haven’t moved my vote yet which is a pretty generic reason imo. I think if she was genuinely interested in my progression she could figure it out and also see that I spoke again on the subject when I got back today.

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  On 2/7/2018 at 9:01 PM, Andrej said:

unvote

 

vote Niniel

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AJ starts focusing a lot on Nini. It's also around the same time that Nini voted AJ. If I'm not mistaken about AJ being sacrificial it would work for Nini to possibly be bussing even though it's not her "meta".  

 

  On 2/7/2018 at 9:22 PM, Andrej said:

I think BG might be good to keep around a bit now that he’s starting to dig in. Still wanna know where the mix up came from but he at least is bringing a fresh perspective.

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And AJ buddies up to me.

[Cory Caboose]

AJ was talking to me when he said that, fwiw.

[Cory Caboose]

If you click on the arrow to the right of the text box it'll take you to the post

[Ironeyes]

  On 2/7/2018 at 8:06 PM, Cory Caboose said:

AJ tends to "big game hunt" as a villager and it generally takes him a long time to feel some trust for higher volume villagers (like moi) or at least he interacts with them very directly to try and improve the read

 

He just seems way too comfortable with me in a way I can't explain very well

 

And I also think he'd be pretty pumped to play this game as a villager, especially in a game state where he thought we were v/v. It's typically pretty easy for me to get a v read on him when he's a villager, at least.

I mean, I love the guy and think he's a tremendous player, but I don't know how I feel about him both A) mailing it in and B) seeming very content with the threadstate, especially in a game that's this wolfsided at start

 

Feel like he'd have started blooming by now. i remember jotting down in my "AJ reading handbook" that he struggles the most as a wolf in the earlygame and gets better as the game goes on ... I feel like I should listen to the handbook

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  On 2/7/2018 at 8:08 PM, Arie said:

Yeah... I'm definitely gunning for Cory next round... A vote for AJ is as useful as a hole in the head at this stage of the phase. :P

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I read ahead to find the lynch, and it makes this exchange seem significant. First of all, Cory=lock town. Singlehandedly derailing a Lenlo lynch onto AJ makes 0 sense if he were scum, even if Len were also scum. Second, Arie's strong response pings really hard.

[Ironeyes]

Which reminds me. Sorry for missing the lynch! I forgot all about the game until I got home from work today and by then it was too late. 

[bgrishinko]

Yeah, I just went back and checked that after posting it. 

 

I'm officially on the trust Cory train now though after Day 1. Doesn't mean I agree with his methods or who's in his town core though. Personally I think that Arie or Nini are the best to look at for tomorrow.  Nini feels like it may have been an executed plan. His spat with her feels like purposeful cooked up WIFOM to me. Arie's random vote switch is also odd to me. Corey seems to think there's no good reason for it if she were scum, but I disagree. If AJ was a planned sacrifice then that's a valid opinion. I believe at least 1 of them are mafia.

 

[Cory Caboose]

ye of little faith ;)

[Cory Caboose]

i am also not going to discredit arie and niniel's [entire body of work] because you think there's the potential of #scumstrategery

 

niniel and arie being villagers is well beyond them voting for AJ

 

i respectfully disagree with your methods too, so i guess we are at an impasse

[Cory Caboose]

no need to get fancy. just lynch the people who aren't being villagery

[Shad_]

  On 2/8/2018 at 1:13 AM, bgrishinko said:

If AJ was a planned sacrifice

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Delete thought.

Reprocess.

[bgrishinko]

  On 2/8/2018 at 1:26 AM, Shad_ said:

 

Delete thought.

Reprocess.

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If it was not a planned sacrifice, then I'm theorizing out my bung hole. And the quiet non-voters are more suspicious. 

[Shad_]

Cory it's the classic DM old-timer line

 

This cooperation thing can't possibly work.  The wolves are guiding us to a mislynch.

 

....Tat cooperation thing couldn't possibly have worked.  The wolves guided us to a hard bus!

[bgrishinko]

  On 2/8/2018 at 1:31 AM, bgrishinko said:

 

If it was not a planned sacrifice, then I'm theorizing out my bung hole. And the quiet non-voters are more suspicious. 

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To expand on this from more active people, I think that amegakure is my next likely suspect. But I want to explore Arie and Nini more.

[Shad_]

  On 2/8/2018 at 1:31 AM, bgrishinko said:

 

If it was not a planned sacrifice, then I'm theorizing out my bung hole. And the quiet non-voters are more suspicious. 

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Is that where your head's at now or is that just an if then statement?

[Cory Caboose]

as someone who remembers like '13-'14 DM, it is a pretty jarring shift

[Cory Caboose]

amega is definitely at the top of my list, fwiw