The Founding of Quahog (Peter's Progress) Mafia - Game Over

[Clovdyx]

I just skimmed ISO's for Verbal, Turin, and Tiinker in case I overlooked something.  

 

-Really nothing new on Verbal.  Most of his early posts were fluff with several just being about Family Guy.  The bulk of his content was around initially suspecting (?) Shad because he thought the mafia claim was more likely to come from mafia and then questioning Shad for his confidence on Sooh.   I wish he had either voted before leaving or been around today to work towards a vote, but I'm not surprised by it and it means nothing for his alignment IMO

 

-I still think the jester thing was one hell of a reach by Turin.  I don't see how Sooh was obsessed with it, and nothing he said made me convinced he believed it.  Him trying to move off the discussion to something else looks good, but his vote on Tiink looks like it was completely out of nowhere. 

 

Turin - Why Tink?  You said that no town should be voting you.  Do you think you've done something that's particularly alignment indicative?

 

-Basically everything of substance that he's directly contributed was about Turin seeming weird because of the jester thing and a little bit about the analysis from Shad/Ben.  He said BFG had made some odd posts and actually did produce one when I asked.  

 

Tink - Now that you've seen where BFG was coming from with the convoluted thing, what are your thoughts on the post?  And what do you think about her overall.

[Gentled Ben]

 

I just skimmed ISO's for Verbal, Turin, and Tiinker in case I overlooked something.  

 

-Really nothing new on Verbal.  Most of his early posts were fluff with several just being about Family Guy.  The bulk of his content was around initially suspecting (?) Shad because he thought the mafia claim was more likely to come from mafia and then questioning Shad for his confidence on Sooh.   I wish he had either voted before leaving or been around today to work towards a vote, but I'm not surprised by it and it means nothing for his alignment IMO

 

-I still think the jester thing was one hell of a reach by Turin.  I don't see how Sooh was obsessed with it, and nothing he said made me convinced he believed it.  Him trying to move off the discussion to something else looks good, but his vote on Tiink looks like it was completely out of nowhere. 

 

Turin - Why Tink?  You said that no town should be voting you.  Do you think you've done something that's particularly alignment indicative?

 

-Basically everything of substance that he's directly contributed was about Turin seeming weird because of the jester thing and a little bit about the analysis from Shad/Ben.  He said BFG had made some odd posts and actually did produce one when I asked.  

 

Tink - Now that you've seen where BFG was coming from with the convoluted thing, what are your thoughts on the post?  And what do you think about her overall.

 

So maybe I'm easily fooled, but generally speaking, regardless of the player posting, this is what I would consider a townie post. Doing some research and asking some relevant questions carries more weight with me than hypothesizing about potential PRs or the mechanical set up (especially early on--later, it makes sense to think about mechanical locks when the player pool has been reduced) or how so-and-so said such-and-such in this-or-that game long ago and far away, although all of those things are okay and not scum-indicative in themselves (although when that is the bulk of a players' content, it pings me). 

 

Anyway, that's a peek inside my head for current and (at least the immediate, foreseeable) future reference. This is a townie post, and that is why I think it is townie. Welcome to null reads, Chris. The chairs are more comfortable than in the scum-lean lobby. Enjoy.

[Shad_]

My Turin town read might have been premature, but I'm not going to ISO him before D2 probably.  Basically my stance on him is stale and needs reevaluation/new content.

 

I'm comfortable laying my doubts on Chris to rest.  He's probably town.

 

Sooh's still a villager.

 

With Verb I don't really care about the scum claims are > rand scum bit; it was the overselling comment that I liked.  A little thing, but correct and more attentive than a generic "Shad's being weird".  I want to say that's a bad reason to feel good about Verb specifically, but it's still a bit on my mind.  I thought the reads list that wasn't really a list felt honest.  Mostly I liked his exchange with me regarding Sooh and his general direct engagement in the thread surrounding that before he started his weekend.  GTH town.

 

Ben is weird and I still want to call his play to this point town but there are certain elements he's lacking that would make me feel a lot better if I saw them.  I think he'll be an easier read one way or another over time.

 

I want to look long and hard at BFG before I go there, but she's felt off to me.  Kind of.... floating on a superficial level without as much critical thinking as I expect from her.  I honestly don't know that I would have felt any different about her D1 last game and in any case I wouldn't vote her without a thorough reevaluation, but she's a concern.

 

I have nothing on Tiink beyond it doesn't look like anyone tried to bail him out at deadline.

 

I don't know why I'm typing any of this really.

[Shad_]

I should clarify on Chris, there's a fear factor because he's a strong player and I've never really fully understood how he thinks, but he's progressed from an immediate issue to someone I'll worry about later if I have to.  Feels good and I'm willing to roll with that.

[Clovdyx]

My Turin town read might have been premature, but I'm not going to ISO him before D2 probably.  Basically my stance on him is stale and needs reevaluation/new content.

 

I'm comfortable laying my doubts on Chris to rest.  He's probably town.

 

Sooh's still a villager.

 

With Verb I don't really care about the scum claims are > rand scum bit; it was the overselling comment that I liked.  A little thing, but correct and more attentive than a generic "Shad's being weird".  I want to say that's a bad reason to feel good about Verb specifically, but it's still a bit on my mind.  I thought the reads list that wasn't really a list felt honest.  Mostly I liked his exchange with me regarding Sooh and his general direct engagement in the thread surrounding that before he started his weekend.  GTH town.

 

Ben is weird and I still want to call his play to this point town but there are certain elements he's lacking that would make me feel a lot better if I saw them.  I think he'll be an easier read one way or another over time.

 

I want to look long and hard at BFG before I go there, but she's felt off to me.  Kind of.... floating on a superficial level without as much critical thinking as I expect from her.  I honestly don't know that I would have felt any different about her D1 last game and in any case I wouldn't vote her without a thorough reevaluation, but she's a concern.

 

I have nothing on Tiink beyond it doesn't look like anyone tried to bail him out at deadline.

 

I don't know why I'm typing any of this really.

 

Bold - I actually feel a bit better about him than that even.  Just...not really any differently than I did yesterday.  That's not a bad point about him specifically stating he thought you were overselling it versus being weird.

[Clovdyx]

I should clarify on Chris, there's a fear factor because he's a strong player and I've never really fully understood how he thinks, but he's progressed from an immediate issue to someone I'll worry about later if I have to.  Feels good and I'm willing to roll with that.

 

I mostly just say things and hope nobody actually tries to have a conversation about it.

[Sooh]

No, she's my strongest town read, and it's still fairly light. This is a tough game so far.

huh?

 

Have you played with wolf-BFG?

 

Not saying she has done stuff that makes me think she is, she's just not a strong anything-read yet for me.

[Sooh]

 

 

I just skimmed ISO's for Verbal, Turin, and Tiinker in case I overlooked something.  

 

-Really nothing new on Verbal.  Most of his early posts were fluff with several just being about Family Guy.  The bulk of his content was around initially suspecting (?) Shad because he thought the mafia claim was more likely to come from mafia and then questioning Shad for his confidence on Sooh.   I wish he had either voted before leaving or been around today to work towards a vote, but I'm not surprised by it and it means nothing for his alignment IMO

 

-I still think the jester thing was one hell of a reach by Turin.  I don't see how Sooh was obsessed with it, and nothing he said made me convinced he believed it.  Him trying to move off the discussion to something else looks good, but his vote on Tiink looks like it was completely out of nowhere. 

 

Turin - Why Tink?  You said that no town should be voting you.  Do you think you've done something that's particularly alignment indicative?

 

-Basically everything of substance that he's directly contributed was about Turin seeming weird because of the jester thing and a little bit about the analysis from Shad/Ben.  He said BFG had made some odd posts and actually did produce one when I asked.  

 

Tink - Now that you've seen where BFG was coming from with the convoluted thing, what are your thoughts on the post?  And what do you think about her overall.

 

So maybe I'm easily fooled, but generally speaking, regardless of the player posting, this is what I would consider a townie post. Doing some research and asking some relevant questions carries more weight with me than hypothesizing about potential PRs or the mechanical set up (especially early on--later, it makes sense to think about mechanical locks when the player pool has been reduced) or how so-and-so said such-and-such in this-or-that game long ago and far away, although all of those things are okay and not scum-indicative in themselves (although when that is the bulk of a players' content, it pings me). 

 

Anyway, that's a peek inside my head for current and (at least the immediate, foreseeable) future reference. This is a townie post, and that is why I think it is townie. Welcome to null reads, Chris. The chairs are more comfortable than in the scum-lean lobby. Enjoy.

 

This doesn't look like scum-Ben.

 

I actually think the hedging is kinda towny?

[Sooh]

 

 

I just skimmed ISO's for Verbal, Turin, and Tiinker in case I overlooked something.  

 

-Really nothing new on Verbal.  Most of his early posts were fluff with several just being about Family Guy.  The bulk of his content was around initially suspecting (?) Shad because he thought the mafia claim was more likely to come from mafia and then questioning Shad for his confidence on Sooh.   I wish he had either voted before leaving or been around today to work towards a vote, but I'm not surprised by it and it means nothing for his alignment IMO

 

-I still think the jester thing was one hell of a reach by Turin.  I don't see how Sooh was obsessed with it, and nothing he said made me convinced he believed it.  Him trying to move off the discussion to something else looks good, but his vote on Tiink looks like it was completely out of nowhere. 

 

Turin - Why Tink?  You said that no town should be voting you.  Do you think you've done something that's particularly alignment indicative?

 

-Basically everything of substance that he's directly contributed was about Turin seeming weird because of the jester thing and a little bit about the analysis from Shad/Ben.  He said BFG had made some odd posts and actually did produce one when I asked.  

 

Tink - Now that you've seen where BFG was coming from with the convoluted thing, what are your thoughts on the post?  And what do you think about her overall.

 

 

I've lynched Turin a few times for not being on the same brainwave as me, and it's usually wrong. I'm really hesitant to go there, at least so far.

[Sooh]

In my defense, you can't say I didn't...break it down...for everybody.

 

Oh!

 

Ben made a funny! I missed this last night!

[Sooh]

So, correct me if I'm wrong here, but it feels like when BFG posts, and when she asks the questions she does, it's more because she feels like that's what town-BFG would do, and not because she wants to do it. 

 

Like, I understand the busy part, but I'm having trouble with feeling like these catching up spurts are because she's genuinely interested or curious about solving the game.

 

I mean, D2 is a new chance, BFG, but that's where my head is right now regarding you.

[Sooh]

 

 

 

Basically it starts to weird me out when players I've clicked well with as v/v in the past can't just look me in the eyes and call me a villager after a few RL days.

 

 

 

Welcome to my life.

 

Chris? Let's talk and I'll make you my village partner <3

 

I don't know what we should talk about, but you can pick the topic.

 

 

 

 

Was there any reason you picked Darthe?

 

I meant to answer this post.

 

I picked Darthe because he wasn't here. It was initially a vote to get his attention and get him to post, then it became a vote because he was avoiding the thread for I don't know how many hours before EOD. 

 

In hindsight I guess it's fairly obvious that he was a townie, since nobody lifted a finger to not get him lynched. I mean, he was lynched with two votes. All it would take if he was mafia was for someone to put a second vote on somebody else, and then it would at least go to rand, but eh.

[Sooh]

Some of my friends are too good liars this game 

[BFG]

So, correct me if I'm wrong here, but it feels like when BFG posts, and when she asks the questions she does, it's more because she feels like that's what town-BFG would do, and not because she wants to do it. 

 

Like, I understand the busy part, but I'm having trouble with feeling like these catching up spurts are because she's genuinely interested or curious about solving the game.

 

I mean, D2 is a new chance, BFG, but that's where my head is right now regarding you.

/sigh

 

I am not going to magically have more time to spend in thread so what you have is what you have. This is very similar to the arguments in Shads game (as in there's nothing to argue against as the above amounts to little more than a feeling, my questions are important to me and help me solve) which is going to be frustrating for me but happens

[Sooh]

 

So, correct me if I'm wrong here, but it feels like when BFG posts, and when she asks the questions she does, it's more because she feels like that's what town-BFG would do, and not because she wants to do it. 

 

Like, I understand the busy part, but I'm having trouble with feeling like these catching up spurts are because she's genuinely interested or curious about solving the game.

 

I mean, D2 is a new chance, BFG, but that's where my head is right now regarding you.

/sigh

 

I am not going to magically have more time to spend in thread so what you have is what you have. This is very similar to the arguments in Shads game (as in there's nothing to argue against as the above amounts to little more than a feeling, my questions are important to me and help me solve) which is going to be frustrating for me but happens

 

I understand the frustration, and I'm not advocating for your lynch yet either. You're just on my radar. It's not even for the amount of time you're here really. 

 

I love playing with you, regardless of your alignment <3

[Gentled Ben]

 

No, she's my strongest town read, and it's still fairly light. This is a tough game so far.

huh?

 

Have you played with wolf-BFG?

 

Not saying she has done stuff that makes me think she is, she's just not a strong anything-read yet for me.

Yes, we were scum together in the mafia parable game, and I don’t remember her asking many questions.

 

I didn’t say I had a strong read on her, only that she was my strongest read. I actually said that the town read on her is light.

[BFG]

 

 

So, correct me if I'm wrong here, but it feels like when BFG posts, and when she asks the questions she does, it's more because she feels like that's what town-BFG would do, and not because she wants to do it.

 

Like, I understand the busy part, but I'm having trouble with feeling like these catching up spurts are because she's genuinely interested or curious about solving the game.

 

I mean, D2 is a new chance, BFG, but that's where my head is right now regarding you.

/sigh

 

I am not going to magically have more time to spend in thread so what you have is what you have. This is very similar to the arguments in Shads game (as in there's nothing to argue against as the above amounts to little more than a feeling, my questions are important to me and help me solve) which is going to be frustrating for me but happens

I understand the frustration, and I'm not advocating for your lynch yet either. You're just on my radar. It's not even for the amount of time you're here really.

 

I love playing with you, regardless of your alignment <3

I would argue that both yours and shads read are dependent on the time that I have since less time means I have less thread knowledge and directly impacts my reads etc

 

And likewise <3

[BFG]

Chris can you be specific about the similarities between matrix and spirited away?

[BFG]

 

Lol, we've played twice(?) in 6 months and I've misread you in both

 

It's going to take a few days to feel comfortable with a read

That's fine generically and still weird to me in terms of like

 

I am aggressively standing here saying HEY BFG WHY AM I NOT OBVIOUS TO YOU YET

 

And I could do that as scum, again generically

 

But would I, really? Does it even need to be a meta thing? Like how many wolves do this? Doesn't it eventually just go ding ding ok yeah you're probably town.

 

Like I got into this with Cass last time she was a wolf and she kept referring back to yeah but there was this one thing you said once that was kind of weird so I just don't knoooowwwww

 

As if the conversation in the present isn't read relevant.

 

Tell me why I might still be a wolf.

This post amuses me for dumb reasons :P

 

In short you could be a wolf because I don't think/know you're out of scum range. Gun to head you're probably town because at a superficial level there are things that I think are more likely from town!you (shouting for s town read is one of them, but is tempered by an early post when you also thought you should be town read near the start of the claim!scum thing and if that was serious then it waters the later demand down. I also remember making the 'shad is town because he struggles to lead as mafia in magic' so without (a lot) more work the generic reasons to read you town don't hold as much water as i'd like

 

In short I'll town read you when I'm comfortable doing so, but that is not now

 

And I am not Cass

[BFG]

Also, that feeling when you're 95% sure a post is a joke and means nothing, but a little part of you thinks it might not be a joke?  

 

Regret. :(

What was this in reference to?

[BFG]

Now let me go look at what I missed.

Any thoughts? What's your read on Sooh now?

[BFG]

Ok I'm probably out till close to phase change now

[Turin Turambar]

 

Now let me go look at what I missed.

Any thoughts? What's your read on Sooh now?

just getting back into the thread. Work sucked last night.

 

Main thought was Eod was disappointing. DADV. That the doc died as a result makes it worse.

 

IRT Sooh I'm a bit torn. I don't like the Darthe vote. I think her stance on me might mean something but I am not ready to talk about that. Maybe in the morning if I'm alive still.

 

My Tiink vote looks OMGUS. It isn't but I don't care how it looks. There is a very specific reason I voted him and why I stated it the way I did. I'm town and I believe that most if not all townies should believe I'm town. That he voted and left it to DL signals he is questionable to me.

 

I will be around today but Sunday is a family day so not gonna be deep. Monday will be better I hope.

[Sooh]

Turin:

 

Just curious, which part of your play so far is it that is supposed to make most if not all townies believe you're town?

[Turin Turambar]

All of it. You can believe or wait until I die and then post GDI Turin.

 

It's right there in my posts. LOL.

 

 

Seriously tho, I expect to be dead in the morning so it is basically moot.