Star Wars: The Last Jedi

[Nolder]

Wow what a disappointing movie that was.

Porgs were literally the best thing about it.

[Nolder]

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The problem I had with TLJ is how they introduce all these force powers and offer no understanding to the viewers.  They just plop it in the lap and say "deal with it."  The average viewer can't make that leap, it's not believable.  I'm speaking specifically about Leia Spacewalker and Luke Mindtosser. 

What Luke did I am kind of sort of ok with. I imagine it as something that basically killed him. He went overboard and he paid for it. Leia is still human so not only was she on the bridge that exploded and that alone should have killed her or made her unconscious (it did) but she was in space and shouldn't have been able to breathe (she couldn't). It's not so much that she flew to the ship that bothers me as the fact that she should have been dead before she could even do that.

 

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But now every person must ask themselves, "if this was always an option, why in the everloving hell didn't someone do this to the death star or any other ship ever?"  If they want to debut it as "new tech" then again, they need to offer an explanation

Maybe only big ships can do it? Yeah I dunno it was kind of dumb to do.

 

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Not a believable character.  I don't care how few people are left in the rebellion, if someone acts like this dude then he is either shot, exiled, or put in the brig.  Yes he's a great pilot but when someone commits treason they commit treason.  And not only that but he keeps making poor decisions that bite everyone in the ass.

I think what you mean to say is that peoples reactions to him are not believable. I believe someone could commit mutiny. I don't believe he's allowed to stay with his rebellion after doing so. He can never be trusted again.

 

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That whole storyline was lame, the moral lesson was...unctuous.

It was made all the more pointless by the fact that they didn't actually save the Resistance fleet. They failed. Twice. It literally just made me annoyed that I was having to sit through them riding camel horse things while being shot at when I wanted to know wtf Rey and Kylo were doing.

 

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Finn offered nothing to the story and should have died long ago.  Or been written a helluva lot better.  Either one would have been fine with me.  I'm not okay with him killing Phasma.  She better not be dead.

It's like they hinted at him being force sensitive in TFA and then...dropped that completely. I'm ok with him being a character I guess but I wish there was more...focus? I don't know if he's Rey's love interest or like a buddycop thing with Poe or what. What's his story? Why is he here? He just wants to run away.

 

As for Phasma I am pretty sure she's confirmed dead but I can't remember for sure.

 

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'm not one who thinks Star Wars needs another strong, iconic villain like Vader or Sidious to make this trilogy great.  I don't love that Snoke had a weak back story but it's not something I'm harping on.  The same goes for his death.  

No no it's not about him not being a strong iconic villain (obviously Kylo is supposed to take center stage) it's that he has no story whatsoever. If they just said he was one of the Emporer's minions and coveted his power or something I would be like oh ok that's where he came from. Or idk say he's mysterious and came from the outer edges of the galaxy sure whatever. But just...nothing? That's so lame and boring.

 

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Well this just makes me sad.  Just like how Lucas completely missed on his Anakin character and all the great possibilities, here Johnson (and by extension Abrams) completely miss on what could have been a fresh new take on the series.  Instead they just rehash territory already trod by literally every other star wars movie.  Lines are never truly blurred and it's just so terribly boring.  So so so boring.

I know! At first I was extremely mad about how Luke's character was written and how his entire storyline is basically just f*** the jedi order! Luke really would not have done that and you know why? It's in the story. He claims he went there to die but in reality HE LEFT A FREAKING MAP TO FIND HIM. That is literally what TFA was about. But, you know what? As I watched I calmed down and I was like ok you know we've had Jedi vs Sith since the 70s in movies, books, video games. And it's cool and we can keep doing that. But what if two young upstarts just said f*** it all and went on a rampage against both sides? That could genuinely be interesting. And I got excited for that. The movie kept pushing it and pushing it. Making it seem more and more interesting. Even towards the end you find out Rey is literally a nobody but Kylo says she's important to him. How sweet right? Ok so time to Bonnie and Clyde this shit. 

 

And then...nah. 

 

Total freaking letdown.

 

I'd rather have a full length feature film about Jar Jar's escapades in the Senate then watch Episode 9 at this point.

[Nolder]

Oh I guess I liked that hacker guy.

When he took the deal with the Order and Finn was like "you're wrong about the Resistance" or whatever.

I liked his line. "Maybe." *shrug*

He was just like yeah well I got paid so I'm not bothered about your struggle for control of the Galaxy. Later.

Just made me laugh when I would have otherwise been annoyed because again that whole plot was pointless and stupid.

 

I mean was it forced so that Finn could have a showdown with Phasma? Was that it?

[Nolder]

One last thing.

I think I noticed something that no one else in this thread did.

 

At the very start of the movie Rose's sister is the pilot for one of the bombers that were trying to destroy the Dreadnought. Correct me if I'm wrong but the bay doors open out into space so the bombs can drop onto the ship. How exactly was Rose's sister in that area and not suffocating? She even fell and got knocked out for a bit. She should have been dead BEFORE dropping the bombs. Makes no sense.

[SinisterDeath]

1 hour ago, Nolder said:

One last thing.

I think I noticed something that no one else in this thread did.

 

At the very start of the movie Rose's sister is the pilot for one of the bombers that were trying to destroy the Dreadnought. Correct me if I'm wrong but the bay doors open out into space so the bombs can drop onto the ship. How exactly was Rose's sister in that area and not suffocating? She even fell and got knocked out for a bit. She should have been dead BEFORE dropping the bombs. Makes no sense.

Sci-Fantasy Magic shields that keep air in but lets matter fly out.

How do the bombs even DROP in a ship in Space? Wth wouldn't you.. umm. Launch them with some form of propellant so they move faster than your artificial gravity?!? 

Seriously, space bombers like that is the most retarded things I've seen in a movie in a while.

[Nolder]

2 minutes ago, SinisterDeath said:

Sci-Fantasy Magic shields that keep air in but lets matter fly out.

How do the bombs even DROP in a ship in Space? Wth wouldn't you.. umm. Launch them with some form of propellant so they move faster than your artificial gravity?!? 

Seriously, space bombers like that is the most retarded things I've seen in a movie in a while.

To the first part, no shield was shown.

 

Secondly you're right but I can overlook that. Maybe the bombs are kind of launched when they're dropped idk.

[SinisterDeath]

5 minutes ago, Nolder said:

To the first part, no shield was shown.

Doesn't really have to be shown to be there. It's a sci-fi trope at this point. 

Course, if the environmental systems are good enough it could blow enough oxygen out there just as fast as it escapes through a smaller hole. But I can't tell you how bad that system idea would be in reality.

[Krakalakachkn]

On 3/15/2018 at 4:42 AM, Nolder said:

One last thing.

I think I noticed something that no one else in this thread did.

 

At the very start of the movie Rose's sister is the pilot for one of the bombers that were trying to destroy the Dreadnought. Correct me if I'm wrong but the bay doors open out into space so the bombs can drop onto the ship. How exactly was Rose's sister in that area and not suffocating? She even fell and got knocked out for a bit. She should have been dead BEFORE dropping the bombs. Makes no sense.

 

Suspend your disbelief, young padawan.

[Nolder]

3 hours ago, Krakalakachkn said:

 

Suspend your disbelief, young padawan.

This movie did not deserve such suspension.

[Krakalakachkn]

On 3/16/2018 at 5:13 PM, Nolder said:

This movie did not deserve such suspension.

Yeah it was trash

[Gentled Ben]

On 3/14/2018 at 1:24 PM, Nolder said:

 

What Luke did I am kind of sort of ok with. I imagine it as something that basically killed him. He went overboard and he paid for it. Leia is still human so not only was she on the bridge that exploded and that alone should have killed her or made her unconscious (it did) but she was in space and shouldn't have been able to breathe (she couldn't). It's not so much that she flew to the ship that bothers me as the fact that she should have been dead before she could even do that.

 

 

Maybe only big ships can do it? Yeah I dunno it was kind of dumb to do.

 

I think what you mean to say is that peoples reactions to him are not believable. I believe someone could commit mutiny. I don't believe he's allowed to stay with his rebellion after doing so. He can never be trusted again.

 

It was made all the more pointless by the fact that they didn't actually save the Resistance fleet. They failed. Twice. It literally just made me annoyed that I was having to sit through them riding camel horse things while being shot at when I wanted to know wtf Rey and Kylo were doing.

 

It's like they hinted at him being force sensitive in TFA and then...dropped that completely. I'm ok with him being a character I guess but I wish there was more...focus? I don't know if he's Rey's love interest or like a buddycop thing with Poe or what. What's his story? Why is he here? He just wants to run away.

 

As for Phasma I am pretty sure she's confirmed dead but I can't remember for sure.

 

No no it's not about him not being a strong iconic villain (obviously Kylo is supposed to take center stage) it's that he has no story whatsoever. If they just said he was one of the Emporer's minions and coveted his power or something I would be like oh ok that's where he came from. Or idk say he's mysterious and came from the outer edges of the galaxy sure whatever. But just...nothing? That's so lame and boring.

 

I know! At first I was extremely mad about how Luke's character was written and how his entire storyline is basically just f*** the jedi order! Luke really would not have done that and you know why? It's in the story. He claims he went there to die but in reality HE LEFT A FREAKING MAP TO FIND HIM. That is literally what TFA was about. But, you know what?

 

As I watched I calmed down and I was like ok you know we've had Jedi vs Sith since the 70s in movies, books, video games. And it's cool and we can keep doing that. But what if two young upstarts just said f*** it all and went on a rampage against both sides? That could genuinely be interesting. And I got excited for that. The movie kept pushing it and pushing it. Making it seem more and more interesting. Even towards the end you find out Rey is literally a nobody but Kylo says she's important to him. How sweet right? Ok so time to Bonnie and Clyde this shit. 

 

And then...nah. 

 

Total freaking letdown.

 

I'd rather have a full length feature film about Jar Jar's escapades in the Senate then watch Episode 9 at this point.

Oh man, I was so totally cheering for her to take his hand and do exactly that. That would have been an amazing plot twist and something I could really get behind. The series could have gone in so many wonderful directions at that point, even back to Sith vs Jedi eventually if that's what they really wanted, but to not take the detour at all after slowing down to read the sign, wow, that really sucked.

Edited April 14, 2018 by Gentled Ben

[Nolder]

5 minutes ago, Gentled Ben said:

Oh man, I was so totally cheering for her to take his hand and do exactly that. That would have been an amazing plot twist and something I could really get behind. The series could have gone in so many wonderful directions at that point, even back to Sith vs Jedi eventually if that's what they really wanted, but to not take the detour at all after slowing down to read the sign, wow, that really sucked.

I think maybe someone wanted to take it in that direction but the heads of Disney maybe shut it down and said stick to the formula. Because it seems so weird that entire movie was pushing towards that twist and then it just did a 180 out of nowhere. Like why build Rey and Kylo's relationship like that? Why kill Snoke with so little payoff? It all seems boring and pointless...unless someone was planning to take the story in the direction we're theorizing about and it just didn't happen.

 

I don't write fanfics but if I did this is the fanfic I would write about.

[Gentled Ben]

On 4/13/2018 at 7:18 PM, Nolder said:

I think maybe someone wanted to take it in that direction but the heads of Disney maybe shut it down and said stick to the formula. Because it seems so weird that entire movie was pushing towards that twist and then it just did a 180 out of nowhere. Like why build Rey and Kylo's relationship like that? Why kill Snoke with so little payoff? It all seems boring and pointless...unless someone was planning to take the story in the direction we're theorizing about and it just didn't happen.

 

I don't write fanfics but if I did this is the fanfic I would write about.

I think you nailed it here.

[TheSociopath]

My general take on the movie: I hated it.

As for Poe, I liked him well enough, sure he was an idiot, but I could see why he acted like that.

 

As for purple-hair general, I don't see why she wouldn't tell anyone her plan. It gained her nothing. that whole "I care more about being helpful than looking like a hero" thing isn't any sort of an arguement. And, even if she didn't want to say anything to Poe because he ticked her off for some reason, Why on earth wouldn't she say anything once he stages a semi-successful Mutiny. 

 

As for the casino jaunt, yeah, it was terrible, but I can see why Poe sent them off there. He raised his objections to what he thought was whats-her-name's plan, and was given a guilty-sounding brush-off. It may not have been a rational plan, but to a man of Poe's brains, I guess it made sense. 

 

Also, Rose bugs me. Mostly at the end when she stops Finn from saving everyone's life. I mean "we won't win by destroying the things we hate, but by protecting the things we love" WTF? He was protecting literally everyone that was left.

[Krakalakachkn]

Anyone revisit this and find their opinion changed?

[Krakalakachkn]

https://youtu.be/5ECwhB21Pnk

 

Hits on a lot of issues I had with the movie.

[wotfan4472]

I watched it. Was average for me. Not the worst movie I have seen (cough cough Star Trek Into Darkness- absolutely putrid rubbish).