Suicide Squad

[Andrej]

ben, aj, sk, marsh seem fine to me.

 

 

That leaves halli, dice, rand and lenlo.

Ditto

[Ironeyes]

ben, aj, sk, marsh seem fine to me.

 

 

That leaves halli, dice, rand and lenlo.

This echoes my thoughts. Of course I'd put your name here in place of mine

[Nynaeve]

 

ben, aj, sk, marsh seem fine to me.

 

 

That leaves halli, dice, rand and lenlo.

Fine with me. Of course, id prefer to win while still alive for bragging rights, but ill take what I can get.

 

Im still readin up through

Cool, looking forward to hear your thoughts

[Lenlo]

Im up through page 15 now. Doin it bit by bit at work. Should hopefully have it by noon my time? Few hours? Maybe will post half of it once I hit 20-25

[Hallia]

Go ahead for me I guess?  When I do flip town, please please  be willing to listen to me here when I say that gun to head I am 99.9% sure that Rand is town.

[Lenlo]

 

Yes, and by being a D1 mislynch, she can scumhunt without being killed. It is not much of an advantage because we don't have much of a numbers advantage to begin with, but I can see how someone might see it as a viable option.

Anyway, I think she's just stirring things up with this. I don't think she intends to be lynched,

 

You're right. I think she intends on players thinking 'she self voted in a game that allows a stump D1 if town is lynched? she MUST be town then." therefore she isn't lynched. Therefore she survives. Therefore she can continue looking busy all the while pushing weak stuff and spreading her focus around in an attempt to play up to her meta.

 

Aj, did anything ever change your mind on this? If you did later on, dont worry about it im still catching up, but I am curious.

[Nynaeve]

Bada bing bada bang, you've been learned AJ

 

Also, back onto Nyn, I'm waiting to see what her response to all of this is before I vote her, because I literally had the exact same thing last game where someone did something that only scum would do, and I was going hard on him, and I turned out to be wrong.

 

Who's this someone and what did they do?

[Lenlo]

I wrote this down earlier, actually.

 

And forever shame me post-game if I am ridiculously wrong:

 

Yolo scum team picks - some combo of Nyn/Darthe/Rand/SK

This change much AJ? You were right on Darthe, so 1 for 1 so far.

[Andrej]

Go ahead for me I guess? When I do flip town, please please be willing to listen to me here when I say that gun to head I am 99.9% sure that Rand is town.

 

Normally when I see this it's to have the game consider a scum read that no one is listening to

[Andrej]

 

I wrote this down earlier, actually.

 

And forever shame me post-game if I am ridiculously wrong:

 

Yolo scum team picks - some combo of Nyn/Darthe/Rand/SK

This change much AJ? You were right on Darthe, so 1 for 1 so far.

I'd drop Nyn and SK. Still think Rand is a good shot

 

And yeah, me and Nyn hashed it out later after I got over my initial surge of ranting and she came back calmed down.

[Lenlo]

Anyone you would replace Nyn and SK with, or is that the Rand/Dice/Me/Hally POE group?

[Nynaeve]

I find myself agreeing with the SK train as of right now, though I don't want to vote on him until someone clarifies with me if lynch takes 5 or 6?  His game right now is much more similar to his scum game in my first game back than his town game back in the BT with Niniel.

 

As with Nyn, logic dictates that she's scum to me imo, with the self vote now removed and back to things, but that play pocketed to explain why she's town later on, but because of my feeling she's more likely to do this as town, I'm going to hold off on her for today at the very least.  Still a scum lean though.

 

Darthe is part of the group I stated before I have a weak sus on because of their coasting, and Darthe hasn't done much to change that.  Same thing with Lenlo, but he was busy.

 

Also, no read on Dice, but since that vote has done its purpose, I'm going to [unvote]

 

Also, reminder that you don't need to vote: unvote, you can just 

[unvote]

 

So here basically Rand says that SK is his top scum read. With a lot of back and forth on me but lands on a supposed scum lean. Slight suss on Darthe and Lenlo. Null on dice. But for some reason he says he doesn't want to vote until he finds if it takes 5 or 6 votes to lynch someone.  This is 7 hours away from DL.

 

VoteCount

 

Lenlo (1): Hallia

 

SK (3): Ben, Nyn, Soothe

 

Soothe (2): SK, AJ

 

Not Voting (4): Lenlo, Marsh, Dice, Rand

 

 

50 mins later BFG posts a VC. She does various times, really. I just quoted the closest one following Rand's post above. Looking for a VC is a no brainer, and assuming Rand was really interested in how much it takes to lynch... I don't see how he could have missed it. SK had 3 votes on him... so the question of whether it's 5 or 6 is not even relevant? 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I wrote this down earlier, actually.

 

And forever shame me post-game if I am ridiculously wrong:

 

Yolo scum team picks - some combo of Nyn/Darthe/Rand/SK

Porque?

 

Also, SK hasn't done much at all, is your reasoning for him just that he hasn't posted much? And I could see Darthe via my reasoning, but whats yours?

Tbf I wrote that earlier before we'd gotten into this dialogue.

 

Based on SK's play alone I have zero reason to scum read him unless I just wanted to push inactivity. The read is more dependent on Nyn being scum, and how she's handled him/how they interacted early on. His intro vote had a creepy vibe to it. And her linking Ben, who I think is town, to SK after voting him for what I see as weak reasons is sort of alarming. She said it's because of Ben's defense, which she rescinded, but if you read what evidence Ben was using to defend him with I thought it was pretty objective and not in a save-my-scumbro kinda way.

 

Darthe was more POE cause I don't feel anyone else is that scummy and he's playing in that way that makes him hard to read. Purposeful confusion.

 

 

My memory is s***, partially because I'm playing while trying to finish homework due at 11:59 tonight, can you remind me what you said about me?

 

And gotcha, SK is a dependent on Nyn kinda read.

 

And I see what you're saying on Darthe, although I personally think using POE right now is pretty garbage, there hasn't been enough done to get strong town reads on that many people.

 

 

For posterity, here's the post I'm about to edit.  I'm gonna change the first phrase to My memory is bad, got BFG's approval to edit

 

 

Here he shows up an hour later.... has time enough to edit the post dice pointed out but doesn't take this moment to take a stance according to his reads. Check the VC... nothing. And again... I don't get the prior hesitation of voting for SK. Even if he did end up hammering.... but even checking that is like super easy and takes like two seconds. Feels like he might have been stalling to see how things were going to go.

 

 

Hey I'm going to be busy until DL, I'll try to check in randomly during that time so I can help if votes are needed.  Summaries would be much appreciated, really sorry.

 

This is posted like 3 hours after the previous post.....This is eh worthy in my eyes. "If votes are needed"? He's not voting anyone right now. He gave scum suspects. Why isn't he voting his top scum read? Especially if he knows he's not going to be available later on. In my eyes he had ample time between stating his reads up until he got busy. He had time to place a vote on SK, since he apparently found him the scummiest.

 

 

[v]Sooh[/v]

 

 

Out of all the times to check back in, omg

 

 

Basically just self preservation at this point, sorry

 

Then he shows up two minutes from DL to place a vote on Darthe inevitabely to save himself. My question still remains though... why did he not vote up until this point? He can't hide behind cluelessness or having no reads. He gave reads. Why didn't he follow suit though? you'd think he's be interested to promote a lynch on someone he thanks could be scum vs sitting back and throwing a general.... yo i'll help out if you guys need my vote. Peace out. He only really got involved when he had to.

[Nynaeve]

Go ahead for me I guess?  When I do flip town, please please  be willing to listen to me here when I say that gun to head I am 99.9% sure that Rand is town.

 

why are you so sure?

[Nynaeve]

 

Go ahead for me I guess? When I do flip town, please please be willing to listen to me here when I say that gun to head I am 99.9% sure that Rand is town.

 

Normally when I see this it's to have the game consider a scum read that no one is listening to

 

 

huh?

[Nynaeve]

Additionally to what I said irt Rand.... like we started off 10 players. 10. I don't think it takes a genius to realize that it takes 6 to lynch. It's D1 so there wasn't much to be confused about irt numbers. Plus SK had 3 votes up until that point. So I just find the comment odd.... you just see him doing that. Ie saying "I'm gonna vote someone but first I wanna see if this and that happens". He did it at first with me, claiming he was going to wait for my response. Then he did it with SK. Then he's like... i'm gonna be around if my vote is needed."  It feels like he was trying to stay out of it up until his hand was forced to.

[Nynaeve]

Marsh, you said you'd have clarity irt Rand going forward. Thoughts?

[Nynaeve]

Oh Marsh is voting for Rand lol

[Hallia]

I've gone over and over it, I don't see his vote as coming from a scummy place at alllll

 

And the scum team would totally want him dead over Darthe.  If they'd already pulled the trigger on their kill yeah, I get it.  But they hadn't.

[Nynaeve]

Could it be a Rand/dice pairing? rand with his "reaction testng" vote on dice. dice mentioning rand as a weak suss d1 but then doing nothing for it.... at EoD wasn't around to break the tie between Rand and Darthe... supposedly forgot about DL.. and then coming into D2 with a vote on Hallia with nothing further on Rand?  eh.

[Ironeyes]

Marsh, you said you'd have clarity irt Rand going forward. Thoughts?

I'll clarity when I'm out of class, but that post I quoted was really scummy. Combine that with him blatantly trying to get town cred for his self pres vote and I am pretty sure he's scum

[Nynaeve]

I've gone over and over it, I don't see his vote as coming from a scummy place at alllll

 

And the scum team would totally want him dead over Darthe.  If they'd already pulled the trigger on their kill yeah, I get it.  But they hadn't.

 

who's scum then?

[Andrej]

@Nyn - I meant like usually when a player says "when I flip town, look at so and so" because they think that person is scum.

 

Not "trust so and so when I flip town"

[Andrej]

Anyone you would replace Nyn and SK with, or is that the Rand/Dice/Me/Hally POE group?

I'm thinking Rand/Hally

[Lenlo]

 

 

Pg 1-5: 

Mostly fluff. Things start to happen in page 4. Hally attacks me for something completely different from what I said. Already hashed that out for pages, so wont repeat the argument here. In page 5, Darthe throws out his reads. Throwing Ben as wolf, who we know is IC, calls me and Marsh town, Hally 'no read'. 

 

Pg 6-10: 

I call Darthe out on his no read on Hally. Darthe susses me for callin him on it. Some jokes, Ben is talking about trying to make his scum and town games seem similar, and how he sucks as town.  Nyn calls him on this and some back and forth happens before she jumps to SK. Nyn and Ben continue to go at it. Knowing Ben is the IC now, the fact that Nyn isnt trying to turn this back and forth into a lynch is a good sign imo. Alot of wolves would run with Bens treatment of SK here and turn it into a train. Or try to. Instead Nyn starts thinkin about why Ben is acting how he is, how overcommitted to the defense of SK he has been. Apparently its more like town out of depth than wolf. Turns out, he was town, so she was right. Another point in her favor.

 

Hally continues her silly push on me. Still terrible reasons. Says Darthe is being engaging and shes happy with him so far. Not gonna lynch Dice either. No reasons given for that one.

 

Pg 11-15: 

Nyn defends/calls Hally towny. Not likin that. AJ calls Ben town, gun to head. Rand shows up. Calls Hallys post a standard skim read. I dont see how that excuses the misrep. Calls Ben/Nyn town/town, inclined to agree since Ben is IC.  Not much reads on anyone else. Votes dice for some reason? AJ has Marsh as light green for some reason. I dont see it, he hasnt done much at this point. 

 

Nyn self votes on Pg 13 and things start to happen. Voiced my thoughts on it, AJ voiced his, its already out there.  AJ says town Nyn fights, this Nyn buckled. Interestin thought, but I still like her older interactions. Interesting post by AJ in #266. Aj says an SK scum read is dependent on a Nyn scum flip based on prior treatments. Ben says im overreacting, yet this is just regular reacting for me. I dont do things by half often. AJ clears up the Hally thing, but I still dont like how she pushed it. He then pushes Nyn

 

Pg 16-20: 

SK hops in, votes Darthe who later flips Vig. He basically started/restarted that train. Looks good for him. SK wants Darthe and Rand dead. Darthe has been stated, Rand not really. 

 

Small notes up through page 20.

 

As it is, I am fine with Nyn and AJ. Ben is IC. Having read the most recent page, I agree with Hally that Rand wouldnt want to lynch the Vig if he was wolf. However, if he lynched anyone else at that point in the game, he was as good as dead. The moment Darthe flipped vig later on would have made everyone look back at his D1 vote to save Darthe. It was a no win situation for him.

 

I dont understand why Marsh is being townread, atleast as of page 20. SK is closer to neutral for me. Dice I cant read. He hasnt done anything overtly wolfy or towny to me, atleast of page 20.

 

As it is, I am fine with lynching Hally. If she flips town, then I can revisit the Rand lynch knowing she means what she says. If she flips wolf, her defense of Rand is gonna have me focused in on him.

[Lenlo]

Man, wrote that over 10 minutes, used the same phrasing in both paragraphs. My english teacher would crucify me.