The Mafia Parable: Basic Game OVER

[LedZepMan]

 

I say the other two vigs holster tonight, and if there aren't two kills tonight we kill Adella tomorrow

This actually has me thinking. I see huge potential for LZM to be scum here. If he is mafia and said this, he could easily convince his teammates to holster so they could Lynch me.

 

The worst part is that he doesn't even consider I may hit mafia, which is really a point in Sooh's favor. Anyone else think this may be a scum slip? He accidentally pointed out that Sooh has no possibility of flipping scum, while trying to set up a mislynch for D2?

Your scenario said nothing about the possibility of Sooh being scum. Most people would have said something along the lines of:

 

I say the other 2 vigs holster tonight, and if Sooh flips town and there is only one kill...

 

OR

 

Other 2 vigs should holster and if Sooh flips town and is the only kill...

 

Or even say your exact statement with the caveat that if Sooh is mafia then clearly I am cleared as town...

 

You failed to even mention the possibility that she could flip scum and clear me as town, which is a huge slip to me. Someone else come talk to me about this!

You contradict yourself horribly.

[Adella]

Also, you never got back to me with proof of why I should believe you, like you said you would.

Crap. I knew I forgot something. Sorry about that, I genuinely try to respond to everything directed at me. I'ma have to find it again and bring it all up.

[LedZepMan]

Ladies and gents. Scum #1 has been located.

[Adella]

 

 

I say the other two vigs holster tonight, and if there aren't two kills tonight we kill Adella tomorrow

This actually has me thinking. I see huge potential for LZM to be scum here. If he is mafia and said this, he could easily convince his teammates to holster so they could Lynch me.

 

The worst part is that he doesn't even consider I may hit mafia, which is really a point in Sooh's favor. Anyone else think this may be a scum slip? He accidentally pointed out that Sooh has no possibility of flipping scum, while trying to set up a mislynch for D2?

Your scenario said nothing about the possibility of Sooh being scum. Most people would have said something along the lines of:

 

I say the other 2 vigs holster tonight, and if Sooh flips town and there is only one kill...

 

OR

 

Other 2 vigs should holster and if Sooh flips town and is the only kill...

 

Or even say your exact statement with the caveat that if Sooh is mafia then clearly I am cleared as town...

 

You failed to even mention the possibility that she could flip scum and clear me as town, which is a huge slip to me. Someone else come talk to me about this!

You contradict yourself horribly.

You go ahead and try to discredit me, I clearly was talking about the same thing, just wording it differently.

[Adella]

Ladies and gents. Scum #1 has been located.

Yep. It's you

[LedZepMan]

Those are two exact opposite ideas Adella. Concerning the same post.

[LedZepMan]

Anyway, it's sleep time. Gnight Adella.

 

Shoot whomever ye wish.

[Shitsure Kamimashita]

Very quickly as I am sleepy and promised to post I am opposed to adella shooting whomever she wishes. We as a town should control the kills. I am concerned most recently that on one hand Ledzepman is pushing on Adella but then says shoot whomever. I think Adella should be considered semi confirmed town with the claim alone. It is highly unlikely scum would claim vig day 1 if they would claim at all. Someone in thread had an idea about all three vigs claiming. As a general rule of thumb I am opposed to this if the game has not already been broken or if a player has an idea to break the game. The set up itself seems volatile, with mafia or town potentially winning over night. To be clear I am advocating vigs don't shoot. It's not that I don't trust you guys, but that I am confident if this were a all vanilla game we would win hands down. What's more, in this game the special thing is 3 people can be considered clear if they all claim that is.

 

With all that in mind I can see the general tone of this game/town. That it is expected Adella and all the vigs shoot, or am I misunderstanding? I incline to you my learned colleagues. I was also surprised with the whole everyone can talk at night thing, but it is a huge boon for town if utilized properly in my opinion. My reads have changed significantly. And I have not looked at sooh any which way. My exciting town read is Rand, Adella is my non-exciting town read. Nyn I am putting that read on pause for now. So that's 3 townies already. A decent town bloc. tomorrow we can maybe reveal who are vigilantes and get hopefully get two more into our town bloc.

 

Misc: Is there a way to look at someones individual posts?

 

@Ben: I don't recall you ever voting anyone. Who would you vote now that Hallia has fipped town and why.

 

@DPR: Has anything changed for your read on rand? Why or Why not. Just refer me to a post of your updated reads if you posted one.

 

@ Adella and Rand: What do you think of sooh and/or Ironeyes. If you posted your reads already I am gonna eventually see them so just refer me to the post.

 

Finally @Adella I can't stop you from shooting, though I would rather you didn't I only ask you shoot someone who is not in our town bloc. Don't shoot someone you have a read on as that is extremely poor play. Shoot someone who you do not have a read on and it narrows down the people who are suspcious and solidifies reads. Also do you still think Nyn is town if you do we can put her as solid town in our town bloc. Oh I almost forgot wanna form a town bloc? haha. My plan doesn't work if no one agrees to it so up to you guys. If it were up to me all vigs would be revelead and shoot at the same night designated targets.

 

I sleep for now my lovelies and read the rest of the thread tomorrow when I wake up. I stay busy though, so apologies if I am missed. Catching up to the thread is slightly difficult for me I like to read what a single player posted if I see something that piques my interest but that seemed very illogical to skip through the pages control f-ing a player name everytime. I realize not all the people in my town bloc town read each other, but that is my next step in my super awesome town bloc win the game plan.

[Sooh]

I think Adella SHOULD call out who she's planning on shooting, since there's a chance she'll shoot one of the other vigs. How is she going to prove herself by shooting another vig if that is indeed what she is?

[RandA lThor]

 

 

So, who's Adella shooting?

 

That's what we're trying to decide Sooh.  Marsh and I have given full breakdowns of people we'd be good with shooting/wouldn't care/and don't want shot, we're waiting for others. LZM came in and said Nyn.  Ideally we can get input as fast as possible so we can reach an actual decision.

 

 

I think Adella should decide for herself, personally.  That makes it harder for mafia to manipulate, and it makes it easier to hold her accountable if results suggest she's lying.

 

I disagree, we obviously have a majority right now, plus if we get people to out who they want to kill, and we get that flip in the morning, its also more information than if Adella just shoots someone randomly.

 

 

 

 

So, who's Adella shooting?

 

That's what we're trying to decide Sooh.  Marsh and I have given full breakdowns of people we'd be good with shooting/wouldn't care/and don't want shot, we're waiting for others. LZM came in and said Nyn.  Ideally we can get input as fast as possible so we can reach an actual decision.

 

 

I think Adella should decide for herself, personally.  That makes it harder for mafia to manipulate, and it makes it easier to hold her accountable if results suggest she's lying.

 

 

 

Agreed.

 

Look above, and its worrying me that this is getting support, I honestly don't see how mafia could influence it this strongly.  Sure they have the ability to coordinate, but if they push too strongly and try to coordinate, then it'll be obvious when that person gets killed and flips town.

 

To clarify, I got distracted by my mini tunnel on Rand. 

Marsh is moving more and more towards my town reads, scum are less likely to admit that they were doing something like tunneling, or even use that word, because it gives town easy ammo.

 

Comes off a bit defensive. 

 

It's only N1 - town is calm, cool and collected. Not pointing out how people "should have done things". 

 

But that's just me collecting points. 

 

Why did that response form Rand cool your jets? Let's be honest - you had to stick your neck out a bit to say you agreed with me. That implied (to me) that you felt strongly about your view.  His response to your question wasn't strong, and you folded without even following up with him. 

How was my response not strong?  It basically logically took away the argument he was presenting.  Unless you have a counter argument?

 

 

Ok, now I'm not sure what to do, it seems pretty split on whether people are going to support me for picking my own kill, or for letting the town vote on it... at this point I'm pretty sure the mafia are going to lynch me for one or the other.

 

The paranoia has fully set it.

It's your shot to take, and it doesn't look like anyone has a strong town read on Sooh, and that's who you said you're going to shoot, so unless there is a reason not to (and "Yeah guys, don't shoot me" IS a great reason, ), then I say go ahead and shoot her.

 

At this point in my catch up I agreed that Sooh wouldn't be a bad shot.  I'll talk later about that and how my opinion changed though.

 

I say the other two vigs holster tonight, and if there aren't two kills tonight we kill Adella tomorrow

because i guess everyone didn't see that, all vigs pretty much have to holster to help town, multiple shots, especially if there's only one more shot by a vig tonight, could make us think that Adella is confirmed when she's really mafia.  Please do not shoot.

 

 

I say the other two vigs holster tonight, and if there aren't two kills tonight we kill Adella tomorrow

This actually has me thinking. I see huge potential for LZM to be scum here. If he is mafia and said this, he could easily convince his teammates to holster so they could Lynch me.

 

The worst part is that he doesn't even consider I may hit mafia, which is really a point in Sooh's favor. Anyone else think this may be a scum slip? He accidentally pointed out that Sooh has no possibility of flipping scum, while trying to set up a mislynch for D2?

 

Wanted to comment on something separate here, but I just realized that if you're targeting mafia, then mafia can't "no kill and try to get the mislynch".  More importantly, if mafia doesn't know who you're shooting, then they can't risk the no kill, because then, if they no kill, and one of them is dead, they're at a very significant disadvantage because they'll be down to 2, and we'll have you as confirmed town for the whole round.  So @Adella, please don't tell us who you're going to shoot.  I know you said Sooh, but try to take into account the reads of other people in this thread, and some popular scum/null reads, and think about shooting them as well and pick someone randomly enough so that mafia won't know who you're killing.  If we do that, we can negate their entire no kill and lynch you strat (assuming you're town of course).

 

Very quickly as I am sleepy and promised to post I am opposed to adella shooting whomever she wishes. We as a town should control the kills. I am concerned most recently that on one hand Ledzepman is pushing on Adella but then says shoot whomever. I think Adella should be considered semi confirmed town with the claim alone. It is highly unlikely scum would claim vig day 1 if they would claim at all. Someone in thread had an idea about all three vigs claiming. As a general rule of thumb I am opposed to this if the game has not already been broken or if a player has an idea to break the game. The set up itself seems volatile, with mafia or town potentially winning over night. To be clear I am advocating vigs don't shoot. It's not that I don't trust you guys, but that I am confident if this were a all vanilla game we would win hands down. What's more, in this game the special thing is 3 people can be considered clear if they all claim that is.

 

With all that in mind I can see the general tone of this game/town. That it is expected Adella and all the vigs shoot, or am I misunderstanding? I incline to you my learned colleagues. I was also surprised with the whole everyone can talk at night thing, but it is a huge boon for town if utilized properly in my opinion. My reads have changed significantly. And I have not looked at sooh any which way. My exciting town read is Rand, Adella is my non-exciting town read. Nyn I am putting that read on pause for now. So that's 3 townies already. A decent town bloc. tomorrow we can maybe reveal who are vigilantes and get hopefully get two more into our town bloc.

 

Misc: Is there a way to look at someones individual posts?

 

@Ben: I don't recall you ever voting anyone. Who would you vote now that Hallia has fipped town and why.

 

@DPR: Has anything changed for your read on rand? Why or Why not. Just refer me to a post of your updated reads if you posted one.

 

@ Adella and Rand: What do you think of sooh and/or Ironeyes. If you posted your reads already I am gonna eventually see them so just refer me to the post.

 

Finally @Adella I can't stop you from shooting, though I would rather you didn't I only ask you shoot someone who is not in our town bloc. Don't shoot someone you have a read on as that is extremely poor play. Shoot someone who you do not have a read on and it narrows down the people who are suspcious and solidifies reads. Also do you still think Nyn is town if you do we can put her as solid town in our town bloc. Oh I almost forgot wanna form a town bloc? haha. My plan doesn't work if no one agrees to it so up to you guys. If it were up to me all vigs would be revelead and shoot at the same night designated targets.

 

I sleep for now my lovelies and read the rest of the thread tomorrow when I wake up. I stay busy though, so apologies if I am missed. Catching up to the thread is slightly difficult for me I like to read what a single player posted if I see something that piques my interest but that seemed very illogical to skip through the pages control f-ing a player name everytime. I realize not all the people in my town bloc town read each other, but that is my next step in my super awesome town bloc win the game plan.

 

I have Marsh as a town read, sooh as a null.

[Sooh]

Do we have 24 hour night?

[RandA lThor]

Do we have 24 hour night?

 

I believe so yes

[Gentled Ben]

Very quickly as I am sleepy and promised to post I am opposed to adella shooting whomever she wishes. We as a town should control the kills. I am concerned most recently that on one hand Ledzepman is pushing on Adella but then says shoot whomever. I think Adella should be considered semi confirmed town with the claim alone. It is highly unlikely scum would claim vig day 1 if they would claim at all. Someone in thread had an idea about all three vigs claiming. As a general rule of thumb I am opposed to this if the game has not already been broken or if a player has an idea to break the game. The set up itself seems volatile, with mafia or town potentially winning over night. To be clear I am advocating vigs don't shoot. It's not that I don't trust you guys, but that I am confident if this were a all vanilla game we would win hands down. What's more, in this game the special thing is 3 people can be considered clear if they all claim that is.

 

With all that in mind I can see the general tone of this game/town. That it is expected Adella and all the vigs shoot, or am I misunderstanding? I incline to you my learned colleagues. I was also surprised with the whole everyone can talk at night thing, but it is a huge boon for town if utilized properly in my opinion. My reads have changed significantly. And I have not looked at sooh any which way. My exciting town read is Rand, Adella is my non-exciting town read. Nyn I am putting that read on pause for now. So that's 3 townies already. A decent town bloc. tomorrow we can maybe reveal who are vigilantes and get hopefully get two more into our town bloc.

 

Misc: Is there a way to look at someones individual posts?

 

@Ben: I don't recall you ever voting anyone. Who would you vote now that Hallia has fipped town and why.

 

@DPR: Has anything changed for your read on rand? Why or Why not. Just refer me to a post of your updated reads if you posted one.

 

@ Adella and Rand: What do you think of sooh and/or Ironeyes. If you posted your reads already I am gonna eventually see them so just refer me to the post.

 

Finally @Adella I can't stop you from shooting, though I would rather you didn't I only ask you shoot someone who is not in our town bloc. Don't shoot someone you have a read on as that is extremely poor play. Shoot someone who you do not have a read on and it narrows down the people who are suspcious and solidifies reads. Also do you still think Nyn is town if you do we can put her as solid town in our town bloc. Oh I almost forgot wanna form a town bloc? haha. My plan doesn't work if no one agrees to it so up to you guys. If it were up to me all vigs would be revelead and shoot at the same night designated targets.

 

I sleep for now my lovelies and read the rest of the thread tomorrow when I wake up. I stay busy though, so apologies if I am missed. Catching up to the thread is slightly difficult for me I like to read what a single player posted if I see something that piques my interest but that seemed very illogical to skip through the pages control f-ing a player name everytime. I realize not all the people in my town bloc town read each other, but that is my next step in my super awesome town bloc win the game plan.

I'm willing to wait and see if Adela is a vig. If she is, she has just rankled my senses irt LZM concerning her point about not mentioning if Sooh flips town or not, but then, he also caught her trying to put words in his mouth. We'll know about her in the morning, though.

 

Right now, I still have stronger town reads than scum, and Verbal is still out front in that.

 

I go back and forth on DPR because he gets on these tangents where he's just sniping back and forth with people and I don't see the point in it. It seems like an easy way to look busy scum or town hunting when it's just noise that at best, might wind somebody up enough to say something that could be focused on and twisted around into grounds for a mislay child. Then he'll turn around and do some detective work to go off my radar again, so he's still a null for me.

 

Some of those exchanges people had with Marsh yesterday seemed a little off, but everything from yesterday is jumbled up. I will probably have to be settled in at home before I can really digest what's going on.

 

It'll be interesting to see if Sooh dies and is scum or not. So far, Adela, Sooh, and Hallia have been my top three scum reads, and I suppose I'm about to find out if I'm right about any of them.

[LedZepMan]

Hallia already died Ben.

[LedZepMan]

Gods, why am I awake right now?!? It's the weekend for petes sake.

[LedZepMan]

Very quickly as I am sleepy and promised to post I am opposed to adella shooting whomever she wishes. We as a town should control the kills. I am concerned most recently that on one hand Ledzepman is pushing on Adella but then says shoot whomever. I think Adella should be considered semi confirmed town with the claim alone. It is highly unlikely scum would claim vig day 1 if they would claim at all.Someone in thread had an idea about all three vigs claiming. As a general rule of thumb I am opposed to this if the game has not already been broken or if a player has an idea to break the game. The set up itself seems volatile, with mafia or town potentially winning over night. To be clear I am advocating vigs don't shoot. It's not that I don't trust you guys, but that I am confident if this were a all vanilla game we would win hands down. What's more, in this game the special thing is 3 people can be considered clear if they all claim that is.

 

With all that in mind I can see the general tone of this game/town. That it is expected Adella and all the vigs shoot, or am I misunderstanding? I incline to you my learned colleagues. I was also surprised with the whole everyone can talk at night thing, but it is a huge boon for town if utilized properly in my opinion. My reads have changed significantly. And I have not looked at sooh any which way. My exciting town read is Rand, Adella is my non-exciting town read. Nyn I am putting that read on pause for now. So that's 3 townies already. A decent town bloc. tomorrow we can maybe reveal who are vigilantes and get hopefully get two more into our town bloc.

 

Misc: Is there a way to look at someones individual posts?

 

@Ben: I don't recall you ever voting anyone. Who would you vote now that Hallia has fipped town and why.

 

@DPR: Has anything changed for your read on rand? Why or Why not. Just refer me to a post of your updated reads if you posted one.

 

@ Adella and Rand: What do you think of sooh and/or Ironeyes. If you posted your reads already I am gonna eventually see them so just refer me to the post.

 

Finally @Adella I can't stop you from shooting, though I would rather you didn't I only ask you shoot someone who is not in our town bloc. Don't shoot someone you have a read on as that is extremely poor play. Shoot someone who you do not have a read on and it narrows down the people who are suspcious and solidifies reads. Also do you still think Nyn is town if you do we can put her as solid town in our town bloc. Oh I almost forgot wanna form a town bloc? haha. My plan doesn't work if no one agrees to it so up to you guys. If it were up to me all vigs would be revelead and shoot at the same night designated targets.

 

I sleep for now my lovelies and read the rest of the thread tomorrow when I wake up. I stay busy though, so apologies if I am missed. Catching up to the thread is slightly difficult for me I like to read what a single player posted if I see something that piques my interest but that seemed very illogical to skip through the pages control f-ing a player name everytime. I realize not all the people in my town bloc town read each other, but that is my next step in my super awesome town bloc win the game plan.

 

@ the bolded. Normally scum wouldn't claim vig D1, but if you were tied for the lynch wouldn't you claim to get people off ya? I would.

[Gentled Ben]

Hallia already died Ben.

[Gentled Ben]

Hallia already died Ben.

I know. That's why I said I am about to find out if I'm right about any of them, as I am already wrong about Hallia. The good news is that so far, over my first two games, I am right about scum in 1in 3 or 4, so the odds are in my favor here.

[Sooh]

 

Hallia already died Ben.

I know. That's why I said I am about to find out if I'm right about any of them, as I am already wrong about Hallia. The good news is that so far, over my first two games, I am right about scum in 1in 3 or 4, so the odds are in my favor here.

 

1 in 3 or 4 is no better than rolling the dice, did you know that? :P

 

If Adella is telling the truth here you're 0 for 3.

[Gentled Ben]

 

 

Hallia already died Ben.

 

I know. That's why I said I am about to find out if I'm right about any of them, as I am already wrong about Hallia. The good news is that so far, over my first two games, I am right about scum in 1in 3 or 4, so the odds are in my favor here.

1 in 3 or 4 is no better than rolling the dice, did you know that?

 

If Adella is telling the truth here you're 0 for 3.

Then that would make my next deduction a sure thing!

#Iamgoals

[DPR]

Your scenario said nothing about the possibility of Sooh being scum. Most people would have said something along the lines of:

 

I say the other 2 vigs holster tonight, and if Sooh flips town and there is only one kill...

 

OR

 

Other 2 vigs should holster and if Sooh flips town and is the only kill...

 

Or even say your exact statement with the caveat that if Sooh is mafia then clearly I am cleared as town...

 

You failed to even mention the possibility that she could flip scum and clear me as town, which is a huge slip to me. Someone else come talk to me about this!

 

 

Claiming Vig makes it mostly necessary to shoot. I mean, you can try to get fancy, but that has a low chance of success imo.

 

Calling your target is necessary. And, my understanding is that there are no protective roles, so that shot will go through.

 

I don't see any scenario where scum holsters or doubles up on your call.

 

That leaves a simple progression from your claim, to your call, to the coroner report.

 

All that's left is the cat-and-mousing that can does to generate info. To me, that would be the majority of the reason to play your cards close to your vest. 

 

Now, others may have different views or ideas, and that's fine. But since other folks are throwing in their 2 cents, that's mine. 

[DPR]

 

Very quickly as I am sleepy and promised to post I am opposed to adella shooting whomever she wishes. We as a town should control the kills. I am concerned most recently that on one hand Ledzepman is pushing on Adella but then says shoot whomever. I think Adella should be considered semi confirmed town with the claim alone. It is highly unlikely scum would claim vig day 1 if they would claim at all.Someone in thread had an idea about all three vigs claiming. As a general rule of thumb I am opposed to this if the game has not already been broken or if a player has an idea to break the game. The set up itself seems volatile, with mafia or town potentially winning over night. To be clear I am advocating vigs don't shoot. It's not that I don't trust you guys, but that I am confident if this were a all vanilla game we would win hands down. What's more, in this game the special thing is 3 people can be considered clear if they all claim that is.

 

With all that in mind I can see the general tone of this game/town. That it is expected Adella and all the vigs shoot, or am I misunderstanding? I incline to you my learned colleagues. I was also surprised with the whole everyone can talk at night thing, but it is a huge boon for town if utilized properly in my opinion. My reads have changed significantly. And I have not looked at sooh any which way. My exciting town read is Rand, Adella is my non-exciting town read. Nyn I am putting that read on pause for now. So that's 3 townies already. A decent town bloc. tomorrow we can maybe reveal who are vigilantes and get hopefully get two more into our town bloc.

 

Misc: Is there a way to look at someones individual posts?

 

@Ben: I don't recall you ever voting anyone. Who would you vote now that Hallia has fipped town and why.

 

@DPR: Has anything changed for your read on rand? Why or Why not. Just refer me to a post of your updated reads if you posted one.

 

@ Adella and Rand: What do you think of sooh and/or Ironeyes. If you posted your reads already I am gonna eventually see them so just refer me to the post.

 

Finally @Adella I can't stop you from shooting, though I would rather you didn't I only ask you shoot someone who is not in our town bloc. Don't shoot someone you have a read on as that is extremely poor play. Shoot someone who you do not have a read on and it narrows down the people who are suspcious and solidifies reads. Also do you still think Nyn is town if you do we can put her as solid town in our town bloc. Oh I almost forgot wanna form a town bloc? haha. My plan doesn't work if no one agrees to it so up to you guys. If it were up to me all vigs would be revelead and shoot at the same night designated targets.

 

I sleep for now my lovelies and read the rest of the thread tomorrow when I wake up. I stay busy though, so apologies if I am missed. Catching up to the thread is slightly difficult for me I like to read what a single player posted if I see something that piques my interest but that seemed very illogical to skip through the pages control f-ing a player name everytime. I realize not all the people in my town bloc town read each other, but that is my next step in my super awesome town bloc win the game plan.

 

@ the bolded. Normally scum wouldn't claim vig D1, but if you were tied for the lynch wouldn't you claim to get people off ya? I would.

 

 

I don't see a need for ScumAdella to claim Vig D1 - it just takes her out of the shooting pool for the real Vigs, increasing the odds of scum getting shot. Too dicey. Plus, she claimed kinda early, before the standard DL shuffle, and Hally was still being discussed enough to where there was reasonable enough expectation of shifting that vote without a reveal. Which is allot say that Adellas reveal felt more like a solo player move, without the council of teammates, if that makes sense.

 

I expect she'll make a call and we'll have 2 db's in the am. 

[DPR]

 

Very quickly as I am sleepy and promised to post I am opposed to adella shooting whomever she wishes. We as a town should control the kills. I am concerned most recently that on one hand Ledzepman is pushing on Adella but then says shoot whomever. I think Adella should be considered semi confirmed town with the claim alone. It is highly unlikely scum would claim vig day 1 if they would claim at all.Someone in thread had an idea about all three vigs claiming. As a general rule of thumb I am opposed to this if the game has not already been broken or if a player has an idea to break the game. The set up itself seems volatile, with mafia or town potentially winning over night. To be clear I am advocating vigs don't shoot. It's not that I don't trust you guys, but that I am confident if this were a all vanilla game we would win hands down. What's more, in this game the special thing is 3 people can be considered clear if they all claim that is.

 

With all that in mind I can see the general tone of this game/town. That it is expected Adella and all the vigs shoot, or am I misunderstanding? I incline to you my learned colleagues. I was also surprised with the whole everyone can talk at night thing, but it is a huge boon for town if utilized properly in my opinion. My reads have changed significantly. And I have not looked at sooh any which way. My exciting town read is Rand, Adella is my non-exciting town read. Nyn I am putting that read on pause for now. So that's 3 townies already. A decent town bloc. tomorrow we can maybe reveal who are vigilantes and get hopefully get two more into our town bloc.

 

Misc: Is there a way to look at someones individual posts?

 

@Ben: I don't recall you ever voting anyone. Who would you vote now that Hallia has fipped town and why.

 

@DPR: Has anything changed for your read on rand? Why or Why not. Just refer me to a post of your updated reads if you posted one.

 

@ Adella and Rand: What do you think of sooh and/or Ironeyes. If you posted your reads already I am gonna eventually see them so just refer me to the post.

 

Finally @Adella I can't stop you from shooting, though I would rather you didn't I only ask you shoot someone who is not in our town bloc. Don't shoot someone you have a read on as that is extremely poor play. Shoot someone who you do not have a read on and it narrows down the people who are suspcious and solidifies reads. Also do you still think Nyn is town if you do we can put her as solid town in our town bloc. Oh I almost forgot wanna form a town bloc? haha. My plan doesn't work if no one agrees to it so up to you guys. If it were up to me all vigs would be revelead and shoot at the same night designated targets.

 

I sleep for now my lovelies and read the rest of the thread tomorrow when I wake up. I stay busy though, so apologies if I am missed. Catching up to the thread is slightly difficult for me I like to read what a single player posted if I see something that piques my interest but that seemed very illogical to skip through the pages control f-ing a player name everytime. I realize not all the people in my town bloc town read each other, but that is my next step in my super awesome town bloc win the game plan.

 

@ the bolded. Normally scum wouldn't claim vig D1, but if you were tied for the lynch wouldn't you claim to get people off ya? I would.

 

 

The problem with that is the Vig has to produce and to avoid the obvious conflict, another Vig has to take a secret shot. I don't see a mafia team depending on that on N1. Plus, if she did fake claim and we only get one kill (her call) then she is the obvious lynch and we start D2 with the info that the coroner report provides, along with the info that comes with knowing she's scum. That would be terrible handicap for the scum team to try and overcome. 

[DPR]

I think Adella SHOULD call out who she's planning on shooting, since there's a chance she'll shoot one of the other vigs. How is she going to prove herself by shooting another vig if that is indeed what she is?

 

 

Agreed that she definitely has to call her shot. No proof in it otherwise, which does nothing for the town.

 

Since you are among her possible shots, it's be helpful for you (and everyone) to give an updated reads list (and include any ties you see, even if they seem insignificant... just label them as such). 

[DPR]

Very quickly as I am sleepy and promised to post I am opposed to adella shooting whomever she wishes. We as a town should control the kills. I am concerned most recently that on one hand Ledzepman is pushing on Adella but then says shoot whomever. I think Adella should be considered semi confirmed town with the claim alone. It is highly unlikely scum would claim vig day 1 if they would claim at all. Someone in thread had an idea about all three vigs claiming. As a general rule of thumb I am opposed to this if the game has not already been broken or if a player has an idea to break the game. The set up itself seems volatile, with mafia or town potentially winning over night. To be clear I am advocating vigs don't shoot. It's not that I don't trust you guys, but that I am confident if this were a all vanilla game we would win hands down. What's more, in this game the special thing is 3 people can be considered clear if they all claim that is.

 

With all that in mind I can see the general tone of this game/town. That it is expected Adella and all the vigs shoot, or am I misunderstanding? I incline to you my learned colleagues. I was also surprised with the whole everyone can talk at night thing, but it is a huge boon for town if utilized properly in my opinion. My reads have changed significantly. And I have not looked at sooh any which way. My exciting town read is Rand, Adella is my non-exciting town read. Nyn I am putting that read on pause for now. So that's 3 townies already. A decent town bloc. tomorrow we can maybe reveal who are vigilantes and get hopefully get two more into our town bloc.

 

Misc: Is there a way to look at someones individual posts?

 

@Ben: I don't recall you ever voting anyone. Who would you vote now that Hallia has fipped town and why.

 

@DPR: Has anything changed for your read on rand? Why or Why not. Just refer me to a post of your updated reads if you posted one.

 

@ Adella and Rand: What do you think of sooh and/or Ironeyes. If you posted your reads already I am gonna eventually see them so just refer me to the post.

 

Finally @Adella I can't stop you from shooting, though I would rather you didn't I only ask you shoot someone who is not in our town bloc. Don't shoot someone you have a read on as that is extremely poor play. Shoot someone who you do not have a read on and it narrows down the people who are suspcious and solidifies reads. Also do you still think Nyn is town if you do we can put her as solid town in our town bloc. Oh I almost forgot wanna form a town bloc? haha. My plan doesn't work if no one agrees to it so up to you guys. If it were up to me all vigs would be revelead and shoot at the same night designated targets.

 

I sleep for now my lovelies and read the rest of the thread tomorrow when I wake up. I stay busy though, so apologies if I am missed. Catching up to the thread is slightly difficult for me I like to read what a single player posted if I see something that piques my interest but that seemed very illogical to skip through the pages control f-ing a player name everytime. I realize not all the people in my town bloc town read each other, but that is my next step in my super awesome town bloc win the game plan.

 

 

I still have Rand as my top pick for scum. 

 

I'll post an updated reads list before night is over. Just want to see how things play out a bit more.