Sailor Moon Mafia [Advanced] Game Thread

[Eldrick4221]

Ok. Went back and read it. Nice fluff piece. :)

[MrsClov]

Ted claimed Sailor Venus.  That's inherently null - we know mafia have fake claims, so character claims mean literally nothing this game.

Sooh reacts in a way that expresses doubt/concern?  Why?  Well, probably because she's Sailor Venus.  That was my initial take, and I was even more confident when Sooh essentially told me "Think about it!" when I asked her why she was bringing it up.

 

Okay, that means Ted lied.  So what?  Yeah, it's not pro-town, but is it scummy when we know mafia have safe claims?  He's not going to forego a legitimate safe claim to make a legitimate attempt at character claiming.  Ted might be town.  He might be mafia.  But his post meant nothing, and my expectation is that Sooh would have known that.

 

So I ask her WHY she's questioning it.  Like, what's the point?  She says "think about it"...which implies she believes it's significant.  If she's mafia and has Sailor Venus as a fake claim, nobody else is going to know Ted is lying so bringing it up does nothing.  If she's mafia and doesn't have it as a fake claim, she's not going to know whether he's telling the truth.  If she's Sailor Venus (a character that almost certainly would be town), she's going to have a genuine reaction.

 

 

TL;DR - I think her reaction to his claim, though pointless in terms of HER ability to solve the game, is incredibly genuinely.  And given it's predicated on her being town, that means she almost certainly is.

My general assumption was that she's Sailor Venus as well. 

[Eldrick4221]

Yeah. I think I'm happy with a vote on scruffy too. Nothing else has bothered me nearly as much as he has.

 

[V]Scruff[/v]

[Darthe]

Did I write that specifically because Darthe will hate it?

 

Yes.

 

Absolutely.

Jokes on you

 

 

 

 

 

wait for it

 

 

 

wait for it

 

for corys eyes only

Seriously, just for him. No one else, not even clov.

I didnt read it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Cory Caboose]

belly laugh darthe gj

[Clovdyx]

KK, here's my list. Color coded and ordered by towniness as usual. Scumreads in light salmon just for you, Zander

 

Lock town 

Mrs. Clov: IC

Ironeyes: The mod told me so 

 

Solid town 

Spades/Bop: Mostly because of Spades's engagement and obvious WIM 

 

Lean town

Cordyx: Tone read here. Both seem engaged and neither seems manipulative

Derf: Kinda the same as Cordyx. I'd expect scum!Derf to manipulate rather than contribute, as he has been doing 

Eldrick: Meta read. His behavior is similar to the last time I played with town!El (a game in which I completely misread him, much to my chagrin) 

 

Null 

Sooh: Not sure yet, but I think as the game progresses I'll be able to form an opinion on her soon enough. 

Zander: Basically I can't tell if this is town!Zander style tunnelling or scum!Zander faking to draw attention where he wants 

Cuth, Ted, Aquila: Not enough info. 

 

Lean scum

Scruff: That vote and subsequent reaction to being sussed wasn't pretty. 

 

 

So, I'll throw a vote on Scruff for now. We've got almost a day left but I'm comfortable with this train. 

 

I am very intrigued by your justifications for both Darthe and me.  I don't feel Darthe has contributed a whole lot (though he has done substantially more than many players), and I've deliberately been slanking to be even less active than I would be just from my schedule/availability.

[Ironeyes]

I should probably update my notes and give thoughts and stuff. Yeah?

Yes please!

 

 

 

 

 

 

Finally home.

 

Sooh - do you care if I answer Spades's question about why you're very likely town?  

 

Clov has another wife? That jerk. 

 

Between Cory's bubble baths and girly drinks, I think it might be him :P

 

Silly, Spades. I was already counting Cory. 

 

 

 

 

Alright, I've had enough time to get opinions on most players.

 

• Cory/Clov- Really unsure of these two. Cory is showing his village game by trying to step in a keep everyone calm and relaxed. Now that he’s free to devote more time to this, I’m excited to see what he’s going to contribute. Chris is about as Chris as I expect Chris to play. Probably going to rely on Bop to help me with a clearer read on him. So far every feels OKAY about these two and I’m not really getting bad vibes so far. But, they are both very experienced players and I can see them fooling all of us.

 

• Sooh- Seems to be very confident in herself this game, bold and not willing to take anyone's nonsense. Getting more of a villager read from her, but that won’t stop me from questioning her actions. When I do question she responds quickly and passionately and I really like that. Her actions don't seem to have alternate motives.

 

• Eldrick- Last game I read Eldrick as a wolf all game long. I’m not getting those vibes from him. My main issue for this is that he is agreeing with most of what I’m saying, I’m not sure if it’s because we’re on the same page or if he doesn’t want the heat I consistently gave him last game. Laying low or something like that. I will clarify in saying he was a villager last game but didn’t do anything to prevent a potential mislynch on himself multiple times. Last game he seemed to be pretty bold and had his own really interesting ideas, I’m not seeing that from him this match so far. I’m keeping him neutral for now.

 

• Zander- Right now I am worried about tunneling. There is a lot of content between our last conversation and now and he’s had zero input on any of it, just tipping back to having to back off from us. Maybe he’s just really confident that he found a wolf in us, or just frustrated nobody took to his side. I’m hoping to see him look into more people than just us to show he’s trying to solve this game, not just prove a narrative he’s stuck on. Everyone is Town reading him, but until I see him doing some actual work to help progress this game I have to put him in neutral.

 

• Cuthalion- Not looking hot for Cuth. Cory said he was busy, but I would really like to hear it from him, not just word of mouth. (Who knows, it could have been in wolf chat :P) Zero content, but we still have another day, so we’ll see. Neutral with easy wolf tilt if we see nothing.

 

• Linz-  Clear and really helping me a lot this game, thank you for answering my questions! <3

 

• Darth- No idea with Darth. I will say he seems to be playing differently from the last game I was in, where he was a wolf, but that doesn’t give me much confidence considering Cory was sure last game was his Town play xD I see him making some content and comments, but nothing really stands out to me. I don’t get a genuine vibe from him so much, but I could be reading into nothing. Going to have to be Neutral for now.

 

• Ted Bundy- This guy kinda popped in, stirred the pot then left. Nothing from him today, no reads or thoughts of any kind. Got a bad feelings about this one so he has a wolf tilt from me for lack of game solving, care or involvement.

 

• Ironeyes-  Seems to be trying to catch up, now I hope that they start to really interact with everyone and don’t just read the thread, make a few responses and then leave. I see them focusing on Scruffington a little (which may be an easy deflection to divert attention away from them) None of which really contributed in my opinion. I don’t really have a read on them yet, hope they become much more active tonight and tomorrow. Not enough to lean either way for me so I only have neutral.

 

• Aquilla- Where did you go? You posted a tiny bit then left? I don’t know if maybe they forgot about the game or what? They seemed slightly enthused about playing so I’m really unsure as to why they would just leave without any explanation. I kinda want a wolf tilt on this one just because I’ve been told inactive wolfs do this sometimes. Maybe I’m wrong. I just don’t like it.

 

• Scruffington- I really want to wait for Scruffington to come back and make some responses and answer a few questions before I try to determine alignment. Right now it reads bad that they had a finger pointed at them and left when it got a little hot. I can only really base my thoughts off how I respond to heat in that I generally don’t care, my job is to find wolfs not prove myself a villager, but I also don’t act without an amount of conviction. The random vote stands out because they have contributed nothing else.

 

 

 

Just for the sake of understanding you, are these in any particular order? 

 

I'm afraid I'll probably disappoint you as far as activity goes, since my standard amount of activity is about where I am now. Thread Leader isn't my style. I will, however, try my best to contribute meaningfully and solve the game. Including making a list of my own in a minute or two here.  

 

 

They in the order in which I copy pasted them off the front page :P

 

Just looking for your thoughts on things, not top contributor. Looking forward to your reads list :)

 

Got it. Thanks for the clarification. So, what'ya think of my list? 

 

 

 

 

Alright, I've had enough time to get opinions on most players.

 

• Cory/Clov- Really unsure of these two. Cory is showing his village game by trying to step in a keep everyone calm and relaxed. Now that he’s free to devote more time to this, I’m excited to see what he’s going to contribute. Chris is about as Chris as I expect Chris to play. Probably going to rely on Bop to help me with a clearer read on him. So far every feels OKAY about these two and I’m not really getting bad vibes so far. But, they are both very experienced players and I can see them fooling all of us.

 

• Sooh- Seems to be very confident in herself this game, bold and not willing to take anyone's nonsense. Getting more of a villager read from her, but that won’t stop me from questioning her actions. When I do question she responds quickly and passionately and I really like that. Her actions don't seem to have alternate motives.

 

• Eldrick- Last game I read Eldrick as a wolf all game long. I’m not getting those vibes from him. My main issue for this is that he is agreeing with most of what I’m saying, I’m not sure if it’s because we’re on the same page or if he doesn’t want the heat I consistently gave him last game. Laying low or something like that. I will clarify in saying he was a villager last game but didn’t do anything to prevent a potential mislynch on himself multiple times. Last game he seemed to be pretty bold and had his own really interesting ideas, I’m not seeing that from him this match so far. I’m keeping him neutral for now.

 

• Zander- Right now I am worried about tunneling. There is a lot of content between our last conversation and now and he’s had zero input on any of it, just tipping back to having to back off from us. Maybe he’s just really confident that he found a wolf in us, or just frustrated nobody took to his side. I’m hoping to see him look into more people than just us to show he’s trying to solve this game, not just prove a narrative he’s stuck on. Everyone is Town reading him, but until I see him doing some actual work to help progress this game I have to put him in neutral.

 

• Cuthalion- Not looking hot for Cuth. Cory said he was busy, but I would really like to hear it from him, not just word of mouth. (Who knows, it could have been in wolf chat :P) Zero content, but we still have another day, so we’ll see. Neutral with easy wolf tilt if we see nothing.

 

• Linz-  Clear and really helping me a lot this game, thank you for answering my questions! <3

 

• Darth- No idea with Darth. I will say he seems to be playing differently from the last game I was in, where he was a wolf, but that doesn’t give me much confidence considering Cory was sure last game was his Town play xD I see him making some content and comments, but nothing really stands out to me. I don’t get a genuine vibe from him so much, but I could be reading into nothing. Going to have to be Neutral for now.

 

• Ted Bundy- This guy kinda popped in, stirred the pot then left. Nothing from him today, no reads or thoughts of any kind. Got a bad feelings about this one so he has a wolf tilt from me for lack of game solving, care or involvement.

 

• Ironeyes-  Seems to be trying to catch up, now I hope that they start to really interact with everyone and don’t just read the thread, make a few responses and then leave. I see them focusing on Scruffington a little (which may be an easy deflection to divert attention away from them) None of which really contributed in my opinion. I don’t really have a read on them yet, hope they become much more active tonight and tomorrow. Not enough to lean either way for me so I only have neutral.

 

• Aquilla- Where did you go? You posted a tiny bit then left? I don’t know if maybe they forgot about the game or what? They seemed slightly enthused about playing so I’m really unsure as to why they would just leave without any explanation. I kinda want a wolf tilt on this one just because I’ve been told inactive wolfs do this sometimes. Maybe I’m wrong. I just don’t like it.

 

• Scruffington- I really want to wait for Scruffington to come back and make some responses and answer a few questions before I try to determine alignment. Right now it reads bad that they had a finger pointed at them and left when it got a little hot. I can only really base my thoughts off how I respond to heat in that I generally don’t care, my job is to find wolfs not prove myself a villager, but I also don’t act without an amount of conviction. The random vote stands out because they have contributed nothing else.

 

 

 

Just for the sake of understanding you, are these in any particular order? 

 

I'm afraid I'll probably disappoint you as far as activity goes, since my standard amount of activity is about where I am now. Thread Leader isn't my style. I will, however, try my best to contribute meaningfully and solve the game. Including making a list of my own in a minute or two here. 

 

listies listies i can do listies too! (each group in no particular order)

 

VVV

mrsclov(the other inno child, me being the second one obviously)

 

v-lean

sooh(liked her early, and have liked her comments/tone. When interacting with zander i was getting a feeling of annoyance/anger from her posts and i don't think it was faked. Also her tone shifts a bit from neutral to the peturbed i already described a few times and i find these tonal shifts villagy especially combines with her comments)

eld-listed early reasons previous, since then liked his questions he asked scruff/darthe(specifically the comment to darthe about his vote being on scruff that i found villagy, also think he's been trying to figure the game out rather than pretend that hes figuring it out)

 

kinda v-lean

cory/clov-tone, minor points for initiative, is giving reads which is more than half the game is doing

iron-tone, is giving some reads

darthe-tone

 

no idea but y'all seem to be cool with him

Zander

 

the rest

ted bundy

cuth

aquilla

scruff

#raisins?

 

 

i anwserd briefly in the above quote next to each person;

 

someone may ask why should i give a slightest of villa cred to someone giving reads; my response is almost half the game has done nothing, and when they finally come to the thread and do something ill stop giving them any credit for having reaads and then evaluate whether I think their reads make sense, original, etc etc etc. Until then though it is what it is.

 

Thanks, that helps. I think your reasoning for giving towncred is sound, at least early game. It's plenty easy for scumzzz to chill out and let people build cases for them and then jump on the bandwagon. 

[Darthe]

Wait I just figured something out. Are the different heroines in Sailor Moon actually named after different planets?

[Spadeszee]

Don't drop the E off my name spade.

I noticed that after I posted :P

 

I won't drop your E if you don't drop my S~

[Eldrick4221]

Why are people making a big deal of the character claims?

 

It says right in the OP that mafia have fake claims, so claims literally mean nothing. I can see some people in this game (darthe, Cory, clov), and can imagine there are some of you I don't know, making fake claims as town or scum for the lulz.

[Eldrick4221]

Wait I just figured something out. Are the different heroines in Sailor Moon actually named after different planets?

Moon isn't a planet, silly

[Darthe]

Clov it's prob just that marsh is a wolf. That was a clean wolf post by him, but still a wolf post.

[Ironeyes]

 

KK, here's my list. Color coded and ordered by towniness as usual. Scumreads in light salmon just for you, Zander

 

Lock town 

Mrs. Clov: IC

Ironeyes: The mod told me so 

 

Solid town 

Spades/Bop: Mostly because of Spades's engagement and obvious WIM 

 

Lean town

Cordyx: Tone read here. Both seem engaged and neither seems manipulative

Derf: Kinda the same as Cordyx. I'd expect scum!Derf to manipulate rather than contribute, as he has been doing 

Eldrick: Meta read. His behavior is similar to the last time I played with town!El (a game in which I completely misread him, much to my chagrin) 

 

Null 

Sooh: Not sure yet, but I think as the game progresses I'll be able to form an opinion on her soon enough. 

Zander: Basically I can't tell if this is town!Zander style tunnelling or scum!Zander faking to draw attention where he wants 

Cuth, Ted, Aquila: Not enough info. 

 

Lean scum

Scruff: That vote and subsequent reaction to being sussed wasn't pretty. 

 

 

So, I'll throw a vote on Scruff for now. We've got almost a day left but I'm comfortable with this train. 

 

I am very intrigued by your justifications for both Darthe and me.  I don't feel Darthe has contributed a whole lot (though he has done substantially more than many players), and I've deliberately been slanking to be even less active than I would be just from my schedule/availability.

 

Well TBH my read on your slot is influenced more by Cory than you, but it's also just a comparison. So far in this game, "a lot of contribution" has a low bar to clear since like 75% of the game-related content has been from Zander, Spades, and Linz. Everyone else is kinda far behind, although many of us are working to catch up. 

[Darthe]

 

Don't drop the E off my name spade.

I noticed that after I posted :P

 

I won't drop your E if you don't drop my S~

Is that a euphemism?

[Cory Caboose]

Clov it's prob just that marsh is a wolf. That was a clean wolf post by him, but still a wolf post.

That was my first response to his read list lol

[Ironeyes]

Clov it's prob just that marsh is a wolf. That was a clean wolf post by him, but still a wolf post.

Wut. Are you teasing or did you really forget how to read me? 

[Sooh]

Ted claimed Sailor Venus.  That's inherently null - we know mafia have fake claims, so character claims mean literally nothing this game.

Sooh reacts in a way that expresses doubt/concern?  Why?  Well, probably because she's Sailor Venus.  That was my initial take, and I was even more confident when Sooh essentially told me "Think about it!" when I asked her why she was bringing it up.

 

Okay, that means Ted lied.  So what?  Yeah, it's not pro-town, but is it scummy when we know mafia have safe claims?  He's not going to forego a legitimate safe claim to make a legitimate attempt at character claiming.  Ted might be town.  He might be mafia.  But his post meant nothing, and my expectation is that Sooh would have known that.

 

So I ask her WHY she's questioning it.  Like, what's the point?  She says "think about it"...which implies she believes it's significant.  If she's mafia and has Sailor Venus as a fake claim, nobody else is going to know Ted is lying so bringing it up does nothing.  If she's mafia and doesn't have it as a fake claim, she's not going to know whether he's telling the truth.  If she's Sailor Venus (a character that almost certainly would be town), she's going to have a genuine reaction.

 

 

TL;DR - I think her reaction to his claim, though pointless in terms of HER ability to solve the game, is incredibly genuinely.  And given it's predicated on her being town, that means she almost certainly is.

I know next to nothing about Sailor Moon, but there is another specific reason why I dislike this claim. I read a little bit about Sailor Moon yesterday after the claim happened, and found out that my character is sort of a main character? So I was thinking PR hunting.

[Eldrick4221]

Well then. Theory that it was her char he claimed seems to be confirmed :P

[Clovdyx]

Why are people making a big deal of the character claims?

 

It says right in the OP that mafia have fake claims, so claims literally mean nothing. I can see some people in this game (darthe, Cory, clov), and can imagine there are some of you I don't know, making fake claims as town or scum for the lulz.

 

Bold is why I was questioning why Sooh took exception to it.  Either he was telling the truth, he was lying as town, or he was lying as scum, but we have no way to know...barring scum skipping their fake claim and hitting someone that was in the game.  

Wait I just figured something out. Are the different heroines in Sailor Moon actually named after different planets?

 

Yes.  Sailor Moon is the main protagonist, and the rest of her team are Sailor Mercury, Sailor Venus, Sailor Mars, Sailor Jupiter.  There are a couple of other ones as well, and a few heroes that are not Sailor Scouts, but the core ones are named after planets.

[Sooh]

I feel extremely skeptical that almost all of people's POE are people who haven't played here before. Would be an interesting rand if that was the case.

[Darthe]

 

Wait I just figured something out. Are the different heroines in Sailor Moon actually named after different planets?

Moon isn't a planet, silly

Speaking of, all the other moons have names. Know what our moons name is? Moon. We have Moon the Moon, or to abbreviate it...

 

[Cory Caboose]

I feel extremely skeptical that almost all of people's POE are people who haven't played here before. Would be an interesting rand if that was the case.

 

Seems too easy, right?

[Darthe]

 

Clov it's prob just that marsh is a wolf. That was a clean wolf post by him, but still a wolf post.

Wut. Are you teasing or did you really forget how to read me?

Yes?

[Spadeszee]

Ted claimed Sailor Venus.  That's inherently null - we know mafia have fake claims, so character claims mean literally nothing this game.

Sooh reacts in a way that expresses doubt/concern?  Why?  Well, probably because she's Sailor Venus.  That was my initial take, and I was even more confident when Sooh essentially told me "Think about it!" when I asked her why she was bringing it up.

 

Okay, that means Ted lied.  So what?  Yeah, it's not pro-town, but is it scummy when we know mafia have safe claims?  He's not going to forego a legitimate safe claim to make a legitimate attempt at character claiming.  Ted might be town.  He might be mafia.  But his post meant nothing, and my expectation is that Sooh would have known that.

 

So I ask her WHY she's questioning it.  Like, what's the point?  She says "think about it"...which implies she believes it's significant.  If she's mafia and has Sailor Venus as a fake claim, nobody else is going to know Ted is lying so bringing it up does nothing.  If she's mafia and doesn't have it as a fake claim, she's not going to know whether he's telling the truth.  If she's Sailor Venus (a character that almost certainly would be town), she's going to have a genuine reaction.

 

 

TL;DR - I think her reaction to his claim, though pointless in terms of HER ability to solve the game, is incredibly genuinely.  And given it's predicated on her being town, that means she almost certainly is.

I did notice her response to him being "you sure?" or something along those lines which of course lead me to think maybe he claimed her character.

With that, though, I didn't take his claim seriously because it was just a character and not an actual role. Sooh has been taking a lot of people seriously when they are being tongue in cheek (not a bad thing, means shes trying to read through people)

 

I am reading her townie, but it helps me read you and others when I know the reasoning behind why you're making the reads you are.

 

Thank you :)

[Darthe]

 

Ted claimed Sailor Venus. That's inherently null - we know mafia have fake claims, so character claims mean literally nothing this game.

Sooh reacts in a way that expresses doubt/concern? Why? Well, probably because she's Sailor Venus. That was my initial take, and I was even more confident when Sooh essentially told me "Think about it!" when I asked her why she was bringing it up.

 

Okay, that means Ted lied. So what? Yeah, it's not pro-town, but is it scummy when we know mafia have safe claims? He's not going to forego a legitimate safe claim to make a legitimate attempt at character claiming. Ted might be town. He might be mafia. But his post meant nothing, and my expectation is that Sooh would have known that.

 

So I ask her WHY she's questioning it. Like, what's the point? She says "think about it"...which implies she believes it's significant. If she's mafia and has Sailor Venus as a fake claim, nobody else is going to know Ted is lying so bringing it up does nothing. If she's mafia and doesn't have it as a fake claim, she's not going to know whether he's telling the truth. If she's Sailor Venus (a character that almost certainly would be town), she's going to have a genuine reaction.

 

 

TL;DR - I think her reaction to his claim, though pointless in terms of HER ability to solve the game, is incredibly genuinely. And given it's predicated on her being town, that means she almost certainly is.

I know next to nothing about Sailor Moon, but there is another specific reason why I dislike this claim. I read a little bit about Sailor Moon yesterday after the claim happened, and found out that my character is sort of a main character? So I was thinking PR hunting.

So youre a PR. Noted.