[Game thread]Magic The Gathering

[dicetosser1]

  On 6/12/2017 at 2:24 PM, Eldrick4221 said:

 

  On 6/12/2017 at 2:09 PM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

The Town wins when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.

 

Don't know how to help you past that.

This.

 

EXACTLY this.

 

Not town does NOT equal threat to town.

 

If she's telling the truth, however unlikely, then she isn't a threat to town. Lyching her doesn't help us if she's telling the truth. All it does is make her lose.

 

Lynching her because you think she's scum is fine. Lynching her because she's "not town" isn't.

 

 

How is 3p NOT a threat to town? I dont think ive seen one yet that cant choose to side with scum in order to hit their wincon. That seems like a threat to Town to me

 

  On 6/12/2017 at 2:45 PM, Eldrick4221 said:

 

  On 6/12/2017 at 2:40 PM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

 

  On 6/12/2017 at 2:33 PM, Eldrick4221 said:

If bfg isn't scum, she's effectively a mislynch too.

 

How are you not seeing that?

I think you are confused - she does not count toward Town numbers. She's not a mislynch - she's not anything but non-town.

 

She can't count toward Town numbers if she is going to be removed form the game on her win.

 

It's like voting No-Lynch but getting info anyway.

That's why I said effectively.

 

She doesn't count towards town, but lynching a survivor doesn't get town any closer to winning.

 

So it's not exactly a mislynch, but it's also not a helpful lynch.

 

If she flips scum, awesome.

If she flips survivor, we wasted our lynch.

 

 

and if she sides with town enabling them to win will you still think it would have been a wasted lynch?

 

 

 

  On 6/12/2017 at 4:26 PM, Shanti said:

@Dice I'm also curious to know. You voted Shad in the main beginning, have claimed this entire time that he needs to be lynched. But you voted him while no one else was and haven't made a move to vote him since then. Not even now, when doubt is being tossed his way by more than one person. Why not go after him now? Why go after BFG over him? Your egging DPR on with your compliment to him makes me think my theory stated above is correct. You and Shad successfully distanced yourselves because Nyn was a wildcard and neither of you knew which way that would go. So to protect at least one of you, you distanced so that when the time came, it would be hard to prove scummates. I don't think either of you really expected a vote on cuthanyn to take off the way it did, so you were left with no choice but to hammer. But thankfully for you, you had already distanced from Shad so you have all these nice little easter eggs in your ISO to reference if accused of being a team.

 

do you even read what i post? cause i say things multiple times and you STILL want it repeated, Iam not going to sit here and scream at a town that isnt going to listen to me. noones been willing to lynch him all game

 

also why not vote shad now?? I tHINK shad scum but i dont KNOW it.

 

We KNOW BFG isnt Town.

 

get it?

[BFG]

I don't want to go round in circles, in short the problem I have with DPR is that I don't believe his thought process

 

His argument is that I'm scum, who decided to suicide. He won't acknowledge this is what I would have done and either ignores it or comes up with implausible scenarios where a 2 player scum team can win at F6

 

Beyond that his argument is that I called him null Day 1 and have links to Shad/Cass, he hasn't mentioned my interactions with actual flipped scum and isn't interested in honestly evaluating my alignment. His reads haven't progressed since Day 1 when he started poking

 

As a player he places almost no value on town reads, yet town reads our known scum (need to read through for context on this)

 

His argument that if I flip survivor you have 2 mislynches is true. If you don't lynch me you still have 2 mislynches, but you go into them likely down town from the NK

 

And as an upside if there's a role that can prevent a kill in some way (which DPR HAS to believe there is, if he 'honestly' thinks I'm scum and therefore don't have a BPV) then if you don't lynch me you can resolve me for 'free' or effectively gain a mislynch

 

 

Shanti has a point that killing me doesn't directly advance scum win con, but it doesn't hurt it and removes any upside from another failed kill

 

 

On a side note, balance wise I expect there to be another town PR, but I don't know what and don't want to speculate too much. Sooh's 13 player games start from a 9VT + seer vs 3 goons. Town ~lost a player that should be compensated by an extra PR. Wouldn't bet the game on it though

[BFG]

Dice short answer

 

You want to policy lynch me because survivors scumside at lylo. I don't reach lylo with my role or claim. That's precisely why I claimed, because I'm not a threat to town

[Shad_]

  On 6/12/2017 at 8:44 PM, dicetosser1 said:

How is 3p NOT a threat to town? I dont think ive seen one yet that cant choose to side with scum in order to hit their wincon. That seems like a threat to Town to me

I can't even believe we're still having this conversation unless you and DPR are both just wolves.

 

Neither of you are unfamiliar with Survivors and both of you are pretending you are.

 

I could see it coming from Shanti or Killa as new players.

[BFG]

Reading Day 2 in full, will be around to chat

[Shad_]

I mean DPR has overplayed it to the point where he's full outed as far as I'm concerned. He's not stupid.

[Shad_]

A Survivor is literally never a threat to town.

 

In a world where you have mod confirmation that a player is a Survivor, you can literally just congratulate them and put them on ignore.

[Shad_]

Ignoring this fact and spewing a bunch of random spec for why on the third moon of Jupiter you might be right is not villagery.

[Shad_]

The probability of BFG lying about this as scum is extremely rare on its own, and if she is lying than a doc can counter it here and now. 

[Shad_]

DPR playing this "whoever has this role, golly you shouldn't reveal, we need to just assume you exist and lynch x" is the exact same game he pulled when we strung him up in Murder Mystery.  He knows it's pro-town and even if he had some lingering hesitation slinging "LMAO" at the notion of claiming is pretty blatantly dishonest.

[dicetosser1]

  On 6/12/2017 at 8:19 PM, BFG said:

@Dice, what's my role?

 

not town

 

  On 6/12/2017 at 8:51 PM, BFG said:

Dice short answer

 

You want to policy lynch me because survivors scumside at lylo. I don't reach lylo with my role or claim. That's precisely why I claimed, because I'm not a threat to town

 

see i dont believe that F6 thing. BPV? ok seen that. reaching a certain point of game? yep seen that. BOTH of those in a BASIC game? i dont think so.

 

 

  On 6/12/2017 at 8:56 PM, Shad_ said:

 

  On 6/12/2017 at 8:44 PM, dicetosser1 said:

How is 3p NOT a threat to town? I dont think ive seen one yet that cant choose to side with scum in order to hit their wincon. That seems like a threat to Town to me

I can't even believe we're still having this conversation unless you and DPR are both just wolves.

 

Neither of you are unfamiliar with Survivors and both of you are pretending you are.

 

I could see it coming from Shanti or Killa as new players.

 

 

eldrick ive BEEN a Survivor who was getting really town read but ended up having to claim. id been so obviously town sided they let me live. (think im remembering that bit exactly)  I STILL got forced into siding with scum to win the game. Literally. Yates called me out and said as much ITT iirc. 

[DPR]

  On 6/12/2017 at 9:00 PM, Shad_ said:

A Survivor is literally never a threat to town.

 

In a world where you have mod confirmation that a player is a Survivor, you can literally just congratulate them and put them on ignore.

 

I just keep laughing and laughing and laughing...

 

So now you're trying to sell that a Survivor "is literally never a threat to town", but what about all the work that BFG put into her F6 win con to prove she wouldn't side with scum - is that not a threat to town?

 

And you yourself said her claim is probably a lie, leaving that threat wide open.

 

Man, you two are really counting on player apathy to pull this through for you. Ain't the way I like to win, but to each their own I guess. 

[dicetosser1]

  On 6/12/2017 at 9:00 PM, Shad_ said:

A Survivor is literally never a threat to town.

 

In a world where you have mod confirmation that a player is a Survivor, you can literally just congratulate them and put them on ignore.

 

are you still drunk?

[Shad_]

  On 6/12/2017 at 9:08 PM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

 

  On 6/12/2017 at 9:00 PM, Shad_ said:

A Survivor is literally never a threat to town.

 

In a world where you have mod confirmation that a player is a Survivor, you can literally just congratulate them and put them on ignore.

 

I just keep laughing and laughing and laughing...

 

So now you're trying to sell that a Survivor "is literally never a threat to town", but what about all the work that BFG put into her F6 win con to prove she wouldn't side with scum - is that not a threat to town?

 

And you yourself said her claim is probably a lie, leaving that threat wide open.

 

Man, you two are really counting on player apathy to pull this through for you. Ain't the way I like to win, but to each their own I guess. 

 

 

That's nice AJ.

[Shad_]

If you have any confidence in my town game we are lynching DPR today.

[BFG]

Dice don't evade, what's my role?

[dicetosser1]

you say survivor but i dont know what ure role is at this point

[dicetosser1]

off to work  day after long weekend so im probably gonna get slammed so may not post much.

 

will try to read along

[Shad_]

  On 6/12/2017 at 9:07 PM, dicetosser1 said:

eldrick ive BEEN a Survivor who was getting really town read but ended up having to claim. id been so obviously town sided they let me live. (think im remembering that bit exactly)  I STILL got forced into siding with scum to win the game. Literally. Yates called me out and said as much ITT iirc.

I'm not Eldrick sweets, but if they lynch you guess what?  They lose anyway.  This isn't rocket science.

[Shad_]

BFG what is my alignment?

[Shad_]

  On 6/12/2017 at 9:10 PM, BFG said:

Dice don't evade, what's my role?

 

I didn't actually read this when I posted above lol. 

[DPR]

  On 6/12/2017 at 9:05 PM, Shad_ said:

The probability of BFG lying about this as scum is extremely rare on its own, and if she is lying than a doc can counter it here and now. 

 

It's getting deep now... If BFG is scum, she has to lie. Just like everybody else. So there's that.

 

A Doc revealing won't do a damn thing to help the town. We can find out if BFG is scum for free - why lose a Doc in the process? 

 

  On 6/12/2017 at 9:07 PM, Shad_ said:

DPR playing this "whoever has this role, golly you shouldn't reveal, we need to just assume you exist and lynch x" is the exact same game he pulled when we strung him up in Murder Mystery.  He knows it's pro-town and even if he had some lingering hesitation slinging "LMAO" at the notion of claiming is pretty blatantly dishonest.

 

It's not pro-town at all. You're just re-writing history to suit yourself this time around. 

 

Ima bust out a short list of pro-town moves:

 

1. Do not reveal Town pr's. ESPECIALLY when you got shenanigans like a "F6 Survivor w/ BPV that gets removed from the game on their win". 

 

2. When someone outs as non-town with an elaborate claim in a basic game, burn it with fire. We have no idea what the setup is, but it ain't that. Why take chances?

 

3. Lynch people that twist teh maths. No matter how you add it up, Town lasts longer by lynching BFG than we do if we mislynch. Simples.  

 

This is completely ridiculous. We lynch BFG and we move on with the info. Best move. 

[BFG]

  On 6/12/2017 at 9:12 PM, dicetosser1 said:

you say survivor but i dont know what ure role is at this point

This is... odd

 

You read people based off individual play style, you know that I'm not a trolly or showy player

 

I can see town!dice policy lynching me as survivor, I have more difficulty with your lack of conviction with Shad, but still need to reread day2 so we'll see, and I am somewhat sceptical that you don't believe me to be survivor

[BFG]

Shad what are your reads atm?

[DPR]

  On 6/12/2017 at 9:10 PM, Shad_ said:

If you have any confidence in my town game we are lynching DPR today.

 

LOL. The only time you've ever been right about my alignment was when you were in a hydra.

 

That and you far, far aways from your town game here.