[Game thread]Magic The Gathering

[Shanti]

I am going to need to go back in and re-ISO everyone thats left...but instead of going down the line, I'm going to start with Adella and Dice. 

Those two are pretty high up on my list right now after everything. 

[Cass]

MU description for Survivor says (copy-pasta with things bugging me in bold):

 

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http://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/database/mafia-roles/role/?mafiarole=Survivor

 

Survivor

 

Role Description:

The Survivor is an independently aligned role who can only win by surviving until any other faction in the game achieves their win condition.

Notes:

I.e. in order for the Survivor to win, they must survive until either town or mafia wins (or any other faction that may be in the game), which means that any game featuring a Survivor can potentially have multiple winners. On very rare occasions, a host may choose to make the Survivor be the sole winner if they achieve their win condition, which in effect nullifies the victory otherwise won by the "winning" faction. However, this is considered very controversial. A different win condition for a Survivor might be to simply survive until Day 4, for example. The Survivor will rarely have any extra powers or abilities to assist them in achieving their win condition. A town-aligned Survivor must survive until the end of the game and will only win if the town wins the game.

 

Role Type:

Mission, Third Party

 

Role Frequency:

Occasionally

 

 

 

Concerns I have:

 

Why F~anything rather than a phase?

?possibly leans more to the 'sole winner' than '3p with any alignment' win con?

 

You say you were shot/know this? Suggesting extra powers? (contradicts bold above)

[Killashandra]

Ok I mostly skimmed through posts from today and plan to go back. Before that I wanted to say real quick that during night phase me and Kronos were discussing taking a real close look at the non voters for last night phase. Eldrick took the alf spot and Shad saved that spot, in a way and right at the last second. I think that is worth another look. I will not be around as much until late tonight. I will be a little until around 2pm but after that I have to get ready and drive my boys to my sister's. I am going to go see Metalica has an early birthday gift. So Kronos will probably be around more than me.

[BFG]

  On 6/11/2017 at 4:06 PM, Cass said:

MU description for Survivor says (copy-pasta with things bugging me in bold):

 

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http://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/database/mafia-roles/role/?mafiarole=Survivor

 

Survivor

 

Role Description:

The Survivor is an independently aligned role who can only win by surviving until any other faction in the game achieves their win condition.

Notes:

I.e. in order for the Survivor to win, they must survive until either town or mafia wins (or any other faction that may be in the game), which means that any game featuring a Survivor can potentially have multiple winners. On very rare occasions, a host may choose to make the Survivor be the sole winner if they achieve their win condition, which in effect nullifies the victory otherwise won by the "winning" faction. However, this is considered very controversial. A different win condition for a Survivor might be to simply survive until Day 4, for example. The Survivor will rarely have any extra powers or abilities to assist them in achieving their win condition. A town-aligned Survivor must survive until the end of the game and will only win if the town wins the game.

 

Role Type:

Mission, Third Party

 

Role Frequency:

Occasionally

 

 

 

Concerns I have:

 

Why F~anything rather than a phase?

?possibly leans more to the 'sole winner' than '3p with any alignment' win con?

 

You say you were shot/know this? Suggesting extra powers? (contradicts bold above)

I had a BPV and lost it Night 1

 

The rest I can't answer (as regards to why Sooh balanced the game this way)

 

But there is literally no reason that I would ever make this claim and draw this much attention to myself if I had a solo win con, or was mafia. There is one reason I'd make it as town (but I'm not) and there's no reason not to as survivor.

[DPR]

BFG, will you elaborate on your role as far as alignment is concerned? 3P usually doesn't align with Town or Scum unless stated. 

 

If you're not lying and it's currently 6T - 2M - 1S, then we lose nothing by lynching you and we gain setup knowledge (it obviously won't be 4 mafia with a Survivor).

 

But, if you're not lying and you align with Town it's 7T - 2M.

 

If you are lying and you align with or are Mafia, we are still probably looking at 7T - 2M, or possibly 6T - 3M.

 

Your inclusion of the F6 detail is what worries me about that 6/3 scenario because I honestly don't see the point of using something like that in this game.

 

The more detail you can provide, the better. 

[BFG]

  On 6/11/2017 at 4:33 PM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

BFG, will you elaborate on your role as far as alignment is concerned? 3P usually doesn't align with Town or Scum unless stated. 

 

If you're not lying and it's currently 6T - 2M - 1S, then we lose nothing by lynching you and we gain setup knowledge (it obviously won't be 4 mafia with a Survivor).

 

But, if you're not lying and you align with Town it's 7T - 2M.

 

If you are lying and you align with or are Mafia, we are still probably looking at 7T - 2M, or possibly 6T - 3M.

 

Your inclusion of the F6 detail is what worries me about that 6/3 scenario because I honestly don't see the point of using something like that in this game.

 

The more detail you can provide, the better.

Survivor (win with either alignment) with a F6 win con, technically I also win if I survive to end of game, but at 9 alive F6 comes sooner.

 

My guess for the F6 is that it prevents me becoming kingmaker, as the only way that happens is if mafia are sweeping anyway. But I don't know the setup so there could be something else

 

Lynch me, you lose town tonight and gain nothing. If you don't lynch me and there's a town RB/JK/doc or anything that prevents a single kill you gain a mislynch (if you lynch me they need to prevent 2) and no I don't know if one exists, but I don't know one doesn't either

 

Occams razor says that I am what I claim

[BFG]

  On 6/11/2017 at 4:09 PM, Killashandra said:

Ok I mostly skimmed through posts from today and plan to go back. Before that I wanted to say real quick that during night phase me and Kronos were discussing taking a real close look at the non voters for last night phase. Eldrick took the alf spot and Shad saved that spot, in a way and right at the last second. I think that is worth another look. I will not be around as much until late tonight. I will be a little until around 2pm but after that I have to get ready and drive my boys to my sister's. I am going to go see Metalica has an early birthday gift. So Kronos will probably be around more than me.

This is probably the most interesting reaction so far tbh

[BFG]

^not sure what it means though

[BFG]

  On 6/6/2017 at 6:57 AM, Alfred Jodocus said:

 

  On 6/6/2017 at 5:34 AM, Cass said:

Ooh, I know MU.

 

Not NF though.

 

Do you use the same handle there?

 

 

Also, Alf is totally an alien 

 

 

Any thoughts on the game so far?

 

Most people seem to be familiar with MU lol.

 

I don't actually. 

 

Clearly, my avi displays a duck. :P

 

Hmm... not really so far.

I'm still in the process of observing how things are done here.

 

This is one of those things I have a knee jerk reaction to, but tends to be null

 

Probably the most telling thing for Eldrick is the lack of vote following Tigs claim which is probably a good look circumstances considered

 

Shad?

[BFG]

  On 6/6/2017 at 1:41 PM, WolfbrotherKronos said:

 

  On 6/6/2017 at 10:14 AM, Cass said:

 

  On 6/6/2017 at 9:41 AM, BFG said:

 

  On 6/6/2017 at 4:08 AM, Cass said:

 

  On 6/6/2017 at 3:23 AM, Shanti said:

 

  On 6/6/2017 at 3:21 AM, Tigraine said:

I am most definitely not scum this time around. I just can't get used to calling it wolfy sorry.But you are kinda rolling in with a lot of pep Shanti *stares suspiciously*

Just excited to have another game to play.

You also claimed to not be "scum" in both of our previous games. Forgive me if I don't believe you.

*watches*

 

@Tigs

Initial mindmeld, but she started pretty peppy in Peg + Cat as well... Is extra pep a bad thing wrt Shanti specifically, for you?

 

If Shanti was peppy in peg+cat as town why were you suspicious of it this game?

 

Mostly her rapid-fire entry here drew my attention as different to last game, and the pep/play tone seemed possibly overdone.

 

Went back and looked - the rapid-fire is different, the pep/play is similar enough. #earlygamesmallthings /shrug

 

What's your take?

 

 

You seem to think she's overplaying the pep - as if trying to appear to be using peppy-meta?

 

This is early engagement from Kronos which is a good look and probably(?) more important than the content, but it's really just a nudge on Shanti which isn't great. Would guess that Kronos isn't teamed with Cass or Shanti

[BFG]

Shad can you point out what I said that made you think that Kronos could be town?

[Shanti]

Adella- I went through and ISO'd you in P+C and in this game side by side, because I couldn't help but feel like you were different this game, but I have not played with you as scum so I couldn't tell if your gameplay was different because you were scum, or if it was maybe out of game things seeping into your gameplay.  Your first few posts are pretty much identical. "Joke" vote off the bat. Light reads list a few posts in. I'm honestly not seeing that big a difference in gameplay, but your tone does seem different. You're coming in alot this game close to dl stating you're here, you need to do this or that, but theres no time because dl is here so you'll do it later. Beginning of d2 you basically said I was scum, and it felt quite tunnel visioned after that trying to get your point across. I HAVE stated I'm town alot, I have denied being scum alot, because anytime someone mentions alignment and their own alignment comes into or will come into question, its brought up that "oh well here, you could have stated you were town, but didn't claim it, then, that looks fishy." What is boils down to is, depending on the angle, EVERYTHING looks fishy. I believe you're reading too much into the wrong things, but that is a trait you have (once you're convinced of/committed to something) you try to find every single thing there is to find that would show that person is scum. I want to say I don't believe you're scum at this point, just passionate. Yesterday I did claim you could be a scum buddy and threw it out there, because you were assisting in an attack on me by someone I believed was scum (which I turned out to be right on) but going back with a clear mind and re-reading everything I could see your point and you weren't necessarily taking CuthaNyn's side (they weren't even really calling me scum) or really even defending them, you were just firing shots while Nyn was firing shots so in the moment, it seemed as if I was being attacked by teammates. I still want to hear from you and why you didn't vote them after Tig's reveal, but maybe you're just that skeptical of her and that paranoid in this game, which I can relate to because last game I started to question literally everything. I'm going to lean town based off of my read, even if you're wrong about my alignment, that will remain unless you say something in your update that hits me otherwise.

 

Dice- I re-ISO'd you here and in P+C. Your "rapid-fire" voting is much different this game than that. I haven't played any other game with you, so I'm going on the one I have. You pretty well immediately started defending Nyn, which is not a good look at this point, and I cannot tell if your interaction with Shad at that point is genuine or distancing. Seems pretty hardcore for you compared to P+C. You were skeptical of people in your first few posts in P+C but didn't tunnel on them and certainly didn't vote them. What did you mean in response to my question about Shads vote switch not making sense to me and you answering with "Consolidation"? You have been biased towards Shad from the beginning, claiming he's scum for doing things Nyn did, but Nyn just wasn't scum in your eyes literally from the start. How does that look to you at this point? Nyn WAS scum, and if Shad is scum for doing what Nyn did, but you were defending scum, does that make you all three scum? Your posting is consistent as far as count goes, 2 pages this game, 2 pages last game, but you were also Hydra last game so having the same amount of posting despite that is different. Your tone towards Shad through this entire game is so argumentative I don't know why, and can't put my finger on it. Maybe it is lingering thoughts to maybe you being scummates with Nyn. Or maybe you're trying to throw doubt his way to frame him. I'll know more of this picture when I ISO him. But for now I will throw this quote from DPR that you yourself quoted, but unless I read wrong, you ignored... why quote it then ignore it? I'll ask a similar question to Shad about this quote. 

 

"IMO, Town Shad would have looked at Dice as scum aiming for a mislynch and Scum Shad defends the comment made about him."

 

On to a few more brow raising quotes of yours

 

"i think he should be lynched just for claiming wolf like he did. And yes im aware nyn did the same sort of post   the difference is style  Shad is tricky and somewhat arrogant about mafia  he is the type that will be a wolf and claim it playing on people to not believe anyone would do this.

 

 

nyn isnt. thats not her style. she never claims unless she HAS too  and even then i think thereve been games where shes been lynched without claiming."

 

So you've spent most of your content trying to prove Shad IS scum, and Nyn was not. In light of things I'm tempted to lean towards trying to frame Shad. Either way I'll figure that out in his ISO, but to me you have secured your spot in the scum pile. Pending anything major jumping out in the rest of the ISO's, my vote is currently headed in your direction, but I will wait until I'm finished with everyone to make the final call on that. 

 

dicetosser1, on 07 Jun 2017 - 07:26 AM, said:

  On 6/7/2017 at 11:26 AM, dicetosser1 said:

i already answered this

 

i dont put this being a real claim past shad. One of these days im gonna lynch him for this and he will flip mafia. hes tricksy enuff to think he can get away with it and probably figures that if he keeps doing it it probably raises his chances more of getting away with it

 

I dont ever see nyn doing this for real. its not her style. 

 

 

"I'm not satisfied with this answer. Can't explain why exactly. Just doesn't sit right or ring true to me."

That is a quote grabbed from me in reference to you, and I still feel the same. To which you answered....

 

"tell you what   when u have as much experience as me with those two then u can argue with me about it"

 

[Game thread]Magic The Gathering

 Posted by dicetosser1 on Yesterday, 01:05 AM in DM Mafia Games

Shad_, on 09 Jun 2017 - 2:38 PM, said:

  On 6/9/2017 at 6:38 PM, Shad_ said:

 

dicetosser1, on 09 Jun 2017 - 06:42 AM, said:

  On 6/9/2017 at 10:42 AM, dicetosser1 said:

shad should be lynched but im not gonna waste my breath on it

Is this literally just for the wolf head image?

Hey check it out:

Dice, I'm scum!
 

oooooooooooo

 

Try harder.

 

 

bite me.

 

This all reads fake to me. 

Then my favorite of all... after ALL of your defending Nyn, and AFTER her fate was pretty well sealed... THEN you jump on the wagon. As a last attempt to try to make yourself look a bit better and distance? Gave nothing more than the quote by Tig's reveal.

 

[Game thread]Magic The Gathering

 Posted by dicetosser1 on Yesterday, 09:14 AM in DM Mafia Games

Tigraine, on 09 Jun 2017 - 6:31 PM, said:

  On 6/9/2017 at 10:31 PM, Tigraine said:

Okay so I've been in and out of service today cause I had to come do laundry at my father-in-law's house.


I've done a reads list for some not for some but I feel like atm it doesn't even matter. What matters is that Cuth/Nyn you ARE scum 100%. I think it's downright dirty to get on here and try to bring personal stuff into a conversation to hide that you are scum and honestly can't believe you haven't been called out by the mod for it. How is that not a personal attack? But I turned you two in last night instead of DPR (which I go for almost every single time I'm a cop in a game with him) because he was away and busy and I knew we had time to deal with him later. But the point is that you are mafia aligned. I really don't care that I will probably be NKed now because people getting on here and finding your personal attacks funny is so far off from what I thought the people on here were like.

But that being said Vote: Cuth/Nyn

 

"vote cuth/nyn"

 

Reads oh so scummy to me. 

Really need to hear from you, but after all that I've read, not sure it will even help at this point. 

 

 

More coming, guys things are getting hectic where I am and I also need to start getting ready for a 6 hour drive home. Still fully intend to ISO everyone else, though. 

[BFG]

  On 6/6/2017 at 5:25 PM, Cuth said:

sup

 

cass, shad, tigs all pretty confident town

 

no real thoughts the other way

 

sorry about not getting around to this until now

 

minor plus point for Cass and Shad

[Shanti]

  On 6/11/2017 at 5:36 PM, BFG said:

 

  On 6/6/2017 at 5:25 PM, Cuth said:

sup

 

cass, shad, tigs all pretty confident town

 

no real thoughts the other way

 

sorry about not getting around to this until now

 

minor plus point for Cass and Shad

 

 

How so? Isn't it the norm for a scum to try to sneak in a clear for a scummate? If anything it raises suspicion for me of those 2?

[WolfbrotherKronos]

What is this F6 wincon stuff - what does that even mean?

[Shanti]

  On 6/11/2017 at 5:43 PM, WolfbrotherKronos said:

What is this F6 wincon stuff - what does that even mean?

 

She wins (independently) when we get to the final 6 people in the game if I'm not misunderstanding

[Shanti]

Now that I have those 2 out of the way, I'll start down list on pg one. Which means Shad would be next....Shad, however, has 11 pages of content so that may take me a while. >.<

I don't think anyone else in this game has quite that many..I think I'm second with 7 pages.... But mine is easy cuz... Shanti- Vanilla Town. So I'm going to go to DreadPirateRoberts next. 

 

DreadPirateRoberts- Not a whole lot of content to read for you due to absence. (I really hope things are well with your Grandmother and hope your son is feeling better with it all). I also have no prior game experience with you, so your ISO is all I will have to go on. 

You are the one that called out the Shad/Dice exchange as bad posting with Shad not pursing it the way you thought he would have. I have no prior game experience with Shad, but I'll keep that observation in mind. So far looks good for you, though. 

 

Nynaeve, on 07 Jun 2017 - 10:24 AM, said:

  On 6/7/2017 at 2:24 PM, Nynaeve said:

Dice's exchange with sir alfred read awkward. I still don't quite get the exchange. But to be fairi read it loosely. So an eyebrow raise

 

Good point and a concern. It was a weird point for Dice to get that excited about. I've liked other play that I've seen, but his back and forth with Alfred will need to be explained.

 

@ Dice - Will you explain why you chose this point to be very active about? You posted about it more than anything else, so it's obviously important to you.

 

Here you showed you're trying to game solve without being over the top about it, so another good look for you.

Honestly, other than your wrong insight to CuthaNyn being scum (you claimed they weren't, told ya so on that one btw), I'm not seeing any scumming evidence for you. You seemed to be really wary of Shad and of Shad/Dice exchanges, in light of my ISO on dice and whatnot, I would like to hear where you stand regarding them both now?

 

How do you feel about dice?

How do you feel about Shad?

How do you feel about dice/shad interactions?

[BFG]

  On 6/6/2017 at 7:05 PM, WolfbrotherKronos said:

 

  On 6/6/2017 at 5:25 PM, Cuth said:

sup

 

cass, shad, tigs all pretty confident town

 

no real thoughts the other way

 

sorry about not getting around to this until now

 

1. Why the confidence in them

 

2. Cute gif

 

I kind of just want to lock Kronos/Killer in as town

 

technically this is really easy for teammates to post, but Kronos is far more likely as mafia to ignore his teammates. His best games as mafia are Mistborn/Star Wars Thrawn (from a while ago), and in neither did he show any curiosity about his teammates thoughts

 

Level of engagement in the game is also more likely from town!Kronos

[BFG]

  On 6/11/2017 at 5:44 PM, Shanti said:

 

  On 6/11/2017 at 5:43 PM, WolfbrotherKronos said:

What is this F6 wincon stuff - what does that even mean?

 

She wins (independently) when we get to the final 6 people in the game if I'm not misunderstanding

 

This

[BFG]

  On 6/11/2017 at 5:39 PM, Shanti said:

 

  On 6/11/2017 at 5:36 PM, BFG said:

 

  On 6/6/2017 at 5:25 PM, Cuth said:

sup

 

cass, shad, tigs all pretty confident town

 

no real thoughts the other way

 

sorry about not getting around to this until now

 

minor plus point for Cass and Shad

 

 

How so? Isn't it the norm for a scum to try to sneak in a clear for a scummate? If anything it raises suspicion for me of those 2?

 

depends on the player. Generally mafia are subconsciously aware that there teammates are scummy, so early town reads are generally accurate. But Cass/Shad were generally townie/active enough that he ~could clear them as early town reads (hence minor plus points)

 

Specifically I only remember him as scum once, his teammate wasn't particularly active and he avoided bussing him while he could (Cass has more experience with him though and may be able to give a better read). I don't think he busses randomly so his pushes towards others are probably more telling

[Sooh]

Narration for start of day is up!

[BFG]

  On 6/6/2017 at 7:06 PM, Adella said:

Cass is seeming pretty Cass, but I also haven't played with her as scum so idk how different that would be.

 

So far Shanti is being consistent, nothing to point out as untownie, so I'm leaning town.

 

Tigs... Honestly, I'm so paranoid, I'm pretty much saying guilty until proven innocent.

 

Cuth came in with a gif right off the bat, so that seems pretty good LOL (it's a joke, FYI)

Can you expand on your reads of Shanti and Cass at this point? If both Cass and Shanti are being consistent with previous town games why the caveat with Cass?

[BFG]

In completely unrelated news what is this I'm watching? If ever a film didn't need remaking it's dirty dancing

[DPR]

  On 6/11/2017 at 5:54 PM, Shanti said:

Now that I have those 2 out of the way, I'll start down list on pg one. Which means Shad would be next....Shad, however, has 11 pages of content so that may take me a while. >.<

I don't think anyone else in this game has quite that many..I think I'm second with 7 pages.... But mine is easy cuz... Shanti- Vanilla Town. So I'm going to go to DreadPirateRoberts next. 

 

DreadPirateRoberts- Not a whole lot of content to read for you due to absence. (I really hope things are well with your Grandmother and hope your son is feeling better with it all). I also have no prior game experience with you, so your ISO is all I will have to go on. 

You are the one that called out the Shad/Dice exchange as bad posting with Shad not pursing it the way you thought he would have. I have no prior game experience with Shad, but I'll keep that observation in mind. So far looks good for you, though. 

 

Nynaeve, on 07 Jun 2017 - 10:24 AM, said:

  On 6/7/2017 at 2:24 PM, Nynaeve said:

Dice's exchange with sir alfred read awkward. I still don't quite get the exchange. But to be fairi read it loosely. So an eyebrow raise

 

Good point and a concern. It was a weird point for Dice to get that excited about. I've liked other play that I've seen, but his back and forth with Alfred will need to be explained.

 

@ Dice - Will you explain why you chose this point to be very active about? You posted about it more than anything else, so it's obviously important to you.

 

Here you showed you're trying to game solve without being over the top about it, so another good look for you.

Honestly, other than your wrong insight to CuthaNyn being scum (you claimed they weren't, told ya so on that one btw), I'm not seeing any scumming evidence for you. You seemed to be really wary of Shad and of Shad/Dice exchanges, in light of my ISO on dice and whatnot, I would like to hear where you stand regarding them both now?

 

How do you feel about dice?

How do you feel about Shad?

How do you feel about dice/shad interactions?

 

 

dice is more than capable of pulling this play off as scum. But my thought here is that he wouldn't stick his neck out quite that far (dustup with Alfred and defense of Nyn) if he thought he'd have to defend it later. It's the same position I'm in, so maybe I can easily see it as a Town mistake. 

 

I do need to RR and ISO and won't have time until tonight. 

 

Shad is different. I don't like Shad or Cass so far. I have notes connecting them with BFG during D1, and now BFG has revealed she's not Town, so it makes me lean more strongly toward scum for at least one of them. 

[Shanti]

  On 6/11/2017 at 6:40 PM, BFG said:

In completely unrelated news what is this I'm watching? If ever a film didn't need remaking it's dirty dancing

 

Right?? It was horrid. For kicks and giggles I sorta watched through the entire thing. Fast forwarded through the EXTREMELY painful parts, but then couldn't even watch the ending because of his "Nobody puts baby in the corner" I gave up.