[Basic] Peg + Cat Mafia -- TOWN WIN

[Shad_]

Nah, that was exactly the right amount.

[Songstress]

So Tress, what made you decide?

When I did the summary of events, I realized that along with Dice being suspicious of you D2, Cass had said she thought you were town and expressed suspicion of Tigs (I'd skimmed that post the first time) so that kill didn't automatically look worse on you... then laying out D5 like that, your progression on Shanti felt more believable.

[Eldrick4221]

Still feel bad about shanti. I was trying to believe she was town. But then her reasons didn't match her actions d2

[Shad_]

Extending a PM conversation to thread now that the game's over, because I'm distracted atm.

 

Topic: Why there can't be night chat in this set-up.

 

Shad answer: Because if town are allowed to not drop peeks until end of night phase scum can't hunt the seer.

 

Can anyone explain this one better/does anyone disagree?

[Eldrick4221]

Extending a PM conversation to thread now that the game's over, because I'm distracted atm.

 

Topic: Why there can't be night chat in this set-up.

 

Shad answer: Because if town are allowed to not drop peeks until end of night phase scum can't hunt the seer.

 

Can anyone explain this one better/does anyone disagree?

I could have waited, but am not against the open panel approach.

[Sooh]

That is a fair point, Shad.

[Eldrick4221]

He said there was no night talk, because having night talk would be disadvantageous to scum.

 

Imo people waiting til the end of night to post peeks is for all intents and purposes the same as not saying them until the next day. I don't understand the exclusion of night talk.

 

If anything, peeks help scum narrow the hunt. When town wants to do their peek, fake or not, is completely up to then.

 

The only weirdness comes from the seer being able to say who they checked before they get their result. If they die, everyone knows who they were looking at. But that's wifom into if that's why they died because the result isn't given.

[BFG]

Extending a PM conversation to thread now that the game's over, because I'm distracted atm.

 

Topic: Why there can't be night chat in this set-up.

 

Shad answer: Because if town are allowed to not drop peeks until end of night phase scum can't hunt the seer.

 

Can anyone explain this one better/does anyone disagree?

Pretty much this, but also game setup originated on a board that doesn't have night chat as standard.

[Eldrick4221]

 

Extending a PM conversation to thread now that the game's over, because I'm distracted atm.

 

Topic: Why there can't be night chat in this set-up.

 

Shad answer: Because if town are allowed to not drop peeks until end of night phase scum can't hunt the seer.

 

Can anyone explain this one better/does anyone disagree?

Pretty much this, but also game setup originated on a board that doesn't have night chat as standard.

That's an acceptable reason for me. Thanks bfg

[Eldrick4221]

This question arose from my mentioning my annoyance at the no night talk, because on the nights it ran the expected time (the no hammer ones) i would spend 6 hours of my shift waiting for day

[BFG]

He said there was no night talk, because having night talk would be disadvantageous to scum.

 

Imo people waiting til the end of night to post peeks is for all intents and purposes the same as not saying them until the next day. I don't understand the exclusion of night talk.

 

If anything, peeks help scum narrow the hunt. When town wants to do their peek, fake or not, is completely up to then.

 

The only weirdness comes from the seer being able to say who they checked before they get their result. If they die, everyone knows who they were looking at. But that's wifom into if that's why they died because the result isn't given.

But dropping them the next day means scum can't hunt that night.

 

It's a trade off

 

For town + is that seer has cover and mis kills can result in SHC which means game can be ~locked Day 3/4. -ve is that scum can use the peeks to hunt cop. For mafia the trade is exactly the opposite.

 

Town leaving peeks or not is entirely up to the person as an individual.

 

But if night chat's allowed then mafia will find it difficult to maintain thread presence and cop hunt (which isn't fair to them) and letting peeks fall at might end is massively disadvantageous to them with time zone issues, which allows out of game stuff (time zones) to potentially affect peoples opinion

[BFG]

 

 

Extending a PM conversation to thread now that the game's over, because I'm distracted atm.

 

Topic: Why there can't be night chat in this set-up.

 

Shad answer: Because if town are allowed to not drop peeks until end of night phase scum can't hunt the seer.

 

Can anyone explain this one better/does anyone disagree?

Pretty much this, but also game setup originated on a board that doesn't have night chat as standard.

 

That's an acceptable reason for me. Thanks bfg

 

No worries :)

 

Night chat and mafia staying in thread aren't common on other hoards in general :)

[Eldrick4221]

 

He said there was no night talk, because having night talk would be disadvantageous to scum.

 

Imo people waiting til the end of night to post peeks is for all intents and purposes the same as not saying them until the next day. I don't understand the exclusion of night talk.

 

If anything, peeks help scum narrow the hunt. When town wants to do their peek, fake or not, is completely up to then.

 

The only weirdness comes from the seer being able to say who they checked before they get their result. If they die, everyone knows who they were looking at. But that's wifom into if that's why they died because the result isn't given.

But dropping them the next day means scum can't hunt that night.

 

It's a trade off

 

For town + is that seer has cover and mis kills can result in SHC which means game can be ~locked Day 3/4. -ve is that scum can use the peeks to hunt cop. For mafia the trade is exactly the opposite.

 

Town leaving peeks or not is entirely up to the person as an individual.

 

But if night chat's allowed then mafia will find it difficult to maintain thread presence and cop hunt (which isn't fair to them) and letting peeks fall at might end is massively disadvantageous to them with time zone issues, which allows out of game stuff (time zones) to potentially affect peoples opinion

It very much is entirely up to the individual. When you post. IF you post. Completely your choice.

 

And as Tress mentioned in the game, if the peek is going to be believe able, you have to read that person town from the start. This can be seen all day, and night talk doesn't interfere with that.

[Eldrick4221]

Again end of night posts are effectively the same as posted the next day.

[BFG]

Yes and no,

 

but the point is that the game is one of the more balanced (think on 2+2 it's about a 50/50 win rate*). Altering night chat shifts that massively in towns favour

 

*yes this is made up cos I don't know, but it is supposed to be balanced

[BFG]

Again end of night posts are effectively the same as posted the next day.

Unless you're dead

[Songstress]

 

Again end of night posts are effectively the same as posted the next day.

Unless you're dead

 

 

^^^

[BFG]

Tress it's 35 outside and I'm dying (figuratively not literally, I hope ) HOW DO YOU LIVE LIKE THIS!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Also <333

[Cory Caboose]

no night chat is a pretty standard and important rule for this sort of set-up, because it allows villagers to drop their peeks at night, robbing wolves a sincere opportunity to seer hunt during the night phase

 

anything beyond that explanation feels unncessary, considering this is a set-up that has proved very balanced (52%/48%) in a very large sample size

[Songstress]

Tress it's 35 outside and I'm dying (figuratively not literally, I hope ) HOW DO YOU LIVE LIKE THIS!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Also <333

 

Air conditioning.  *nodnod*

 

Mine is finally repaired and I am able to function like a human being.

[Cory Caboose]

 

 

He said there was no night talk, because having night talk would be disadvantageous to scum.

 

Imo people waiting til the end of night to post peeks is for all intents and purposes the same as not saying them until the next day. I don't understand the exclusion of night talk.

 

If anything, peeks help scum narrow the hunt. When town wants to do their peek, fake or not, is completely up to then.

 

The only weirdness comes from the seer being able to say who they checked before they get their result. If they die, everyone knows who they were looking at. But that's wifom into if that's why they died because the result isn't given.

But dropping them the next day means scum can't hunt that night.

 

It's a trade off

 

For town + is that seer has cover and mis kills can result in SHC which means game can be ~locked Day 3/4. -ve is that scum can use the peeks to hunt cop. For mafia the trade is exactly the opposite.

 

Town leaving peeks or not is entirely up to the person as an individual.

 

But if night chat's allowed then mafia will find it difficult to maintain thread presence and cop hunt (which isn't fair to them) and letting peeks fall at might end is massively disadvantageous to them with time zone issues, which allows out of game stuff (time zones) to potentially affect peoples opinion

 

It very much is entirely up to the individual. When you post. IF you post. Completely your choice.

 

And as Tress mentioned in the game, if the peek is going to be believe able, you have to read that person town from the start. This can be seen all day, and night talk doesn't interfere with that.

 

I love to break cover when I'm actually the seer

 

Makes the game ezmode ;)

[BFG]

 

Tress it's 35 outside and I'm dying (figuratively not literally, I hope ) HOW DO YOU LIVE LIKE THIS!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Also <333

 

Air conditioning.  *nodnod*

 

Mine is finally repaired and I am able to function like a human being.

 

I don't think that's replicable :(

[BFG]

 

 

 

He said there was no night talk, because having night talk would be disadvantageous to scum.

 

Imo people waiting til the end of night to post peeks is for all intents and purposes the same as not saying them until the next day. I don't understand the exclusion of night talk.

 

If anything, peeks help scum narrow the hunt. When town wants to do their peek, fake or not, is completely up to then.

 

The only weirdness comes from the seer being able to say who they checked before they get their result. If they die, everyone knows who they were looking at. But that's wifom into if that's why they died because the result isn't given.

But dropping them the next day means scum can't hunt that night.

 

It's a trade off

 

For town + is that seer has cover and mis kills can result in SHC which means game can be ~locked Day 3/4. -ve is that scum can use the peeks to hunt cop. For mafia the trade is exactly the opposite.

 

Town leaving peeks or not is entirely up to the person as an individual.

 

But if night chat's allowed then mafia will find it difficult to maintain thread presence and cop hunt (which isn't fair to them) and letting peeks fall at might end is massively disadvantageous to them with time zone issues, which allows out of game stuff (time zones) to potentially affect peoples opinion

 

It very much is entirely up to the individual. When you post. IF you post. Completely your choice.

 

And as Tress mentioned in the game, if the peek is going to be believe able, you have to read that person town from the start. This can be seen all day, and night talk doesn't interfere with that.

 

I love to break cover when I'm actually the seer

 

Makes the game ezmode ;)

 

Announce that in game and suddenly there's no such thing as bad cover :p

[Shad_]

It's in the high 50s here (14 C).  I am in bliss.

 

The weather has been a month delayed all year so far here.  We were still getting snow storms in April, and May felt like early spring.  I love it.

 

Now just skip summer and go straight to fall plz........

[Eldrick4221]

no night chat is a pretty standard and important rule for this sort of set-up, because it allows villagers to drop their peeks at night, robbing wolves a sincere opportunity to seer hunt during the night phase

 

anything beyond that explanation feels unncessary, considering this is a set-up that has proved very balanced (52%/48%) in a very large sample size

I'll just have to leave it at "I don't know why it matters, but balanced is a good enough reason"