[Advanced] Ghost in the Shell - MAFIA WIN

[Killashandra]

Ok I missed why you are going through lenlo posts DPR I did because nyn wanted to know why I posted about him earlier. I will go back in the mean time and see why you are also doing this. Lol

[DPR]

  On 5/1/2017 at 1:38 AM, Lenlo said:

 

  On 5/1/2017 at 1:30 AM, Killashandra said:

 

Lenlo seems like he is losing his sh*t of TLM thing. He is all over the place with it and now he wants to lynch jist to see what happens. Its kind of amusing actually if you look at just his posts from his profile content search post only. Like a man slowly being driven insane. He is either legit town losing his mind with shads mind tricks. Or he is using it as a way to hide wolf. I cant decide if we lynch him to put him out of misery or keep him and see what he does next. Gun to my head I would not lynch.

 

 

 

 

Comes back with a gif.

 

Doesn't answer any questions or offer game content.

 

  On 5/1/2017 at 1:43 PM, Lenlo said:

First, on phone.

 

So I wanna point out for DPR, since he is conviently ignoring this fact, I never criticized the TLM spec, I criticized the Cory spec. 2 different things, so don't try to pretend voting TLM is counter to what I've said. It's not.

 

Second, TLM is the/a bad guy in the show Zander. Yeah, he's a less awesome V, but the good guys from this show are in the government (Sector 9 I think) so there's your perspective.

 

Finally says he knows the source material. 

 

  On 5/1/2017 at 1:49 PM, Lenlo said:

It's possible Shad did his thing and randomized roles between characters so that char claims wouldn't break the game. Also possible he did something similar with TLM and he's a neutral npc role or something.

 

We have no evidence to go off of whether the role is town or wolf or even important

 

 

This is his last post.

 

*****

 

tl;dr:

 

He has either posted fluff or talked about TLM. That's it. 

 

I recall Sooh and Nyn (will have to confirm) not having problems with his game, but I don't see this as anywhere near town play.

[DPR]

  On 5/1/2017 at 3:41 PM, seph said:

 

 

  On 5/1/2017 at 11:57 AM, Zander said:

 

  On 5/1/2017 at 11:54 AM, Sooh said:

 

  On 4/30/2017 at 11:35 PM, Zander said:

 

  On 4/30/2017 at 12:49 PM, Sooh said:

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  On 4/30/2017 at 12:46 PM, Niniel said:

 

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  On 4/30/2017 at 11:15 AM, Sooh said:

 

  On 4/30/2017 at 11:11 AM, Zander said:

 

  On 4/30/2017 at 11:08 AM, Sooh said:

 

  On 4/30/2017 at 10:58 AM, Zander said:

 

  On 4/30/2017 at 10:56 AM, Sooh said:

 

  On 4/30/2017 at 1:30 AM, seph said:

Sooh should I be worried? Also glad you are back safe and had fun :) but there is only 1 post I like from you off memory, going to reread and see though.

 

 

  On 4/30/2017 at 1:33 AM, Zander said:

Sooh is still a hard read for me tho Ive seen Town!Sooh look much better atp then she looks thus far.  That doesnt make her Scummy by any means atp shes pretty Null to me as of now.

You two are goofs. I have like one or two scum games where I haven't been obv!scum by the end of D1. I don't even know why you're so afraid of me.

 

 

Im not afraid of you at all.

 

I just said I dont read you well and youre null

 

Strange comment/choice of words. 

 

In the "like well its just lil ole me so you dont have to worry about me" kinda sense.

 

Did you read Seph's words?

 

 

I dont care about sephs words, you quoted both of us so it read to me like you thought we both were.  And even so him asking if he should be worried is kinda a typical type comment/post and doesn't necessarily imply fear imo. 

 

OMG Zander. Has anyone ever told you you're too nitpicky? Could it have been a joke based off of Seph's words? You always seem so convinced you're going to "get" people based off of one word choice they make, but how many times have you failed?

 

 

 

 

Agree. 

 

It´s really hard to know what is just "Zander being Zander" and what is scummy. 

 

 

 

Idk, so far I haven't seen anything really scummy from him. It's more that he's nitpicking to the point where it's wasting everyone's time really.

 

 

Strange i feel the same way when i read your posts.

 

Can you explain exactly where I've been nitpicky this game? I'd love to know.

 

 

I just mean about reading your posts being a waste of time really.

 

All i thought was run zander... she is gana kill you...

 

 

  On 5/1/2017 at 1:06 PM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

 

 

It matches with his past 2 town games. Problem is, it's a really easy style for scum to hide in. 

 

I think its fair to keep pressing him for content. 

 

I would have to disagree with the bold.

 

 

How so?

[Killashandra]

Also in relation to DPR and Seph sussing Lenlo now... I feel I little better about why lenlo's posts struck me as funny. Though to me it was funny haha more than funny as in wtf. I got called out by a few folks for saying that about Lenlo and now that the well known players are doing so it becomes legit and not scummy at all. Funny that.

 

After the game is over can some one help me figure out why I read so scummy every game even though I am town. I would be very grateful.

[Sooh]

  On 5/1/2017 at 4:03 PM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

 

I recall Sooh and Nyn (will have to confirm) not having problems with his game, but I don't see this as anywhere near town play.

 

You may recall slightly wrong.

[DPR]

  On 5/1/2017 at 3:59 PM, seph said:

 

  On 5/1/2017 at 1:16 PM, Nynaeve said:

 

  On 5/1/2017 at 4:23 AM, seph said:

I'm pretty damn sure ed is scum

 

Then why aren't you voting him?

 

 

Because I think adam could be scum as well. I really liked the people on this wagon, barring killa's recent post and I did not want to just abandon it. besides that ed starts to post around that time and if you kept reading you should know why.

  On 5/1/2017 at 1:43 PM, Lenlo said:

First, on phone.

 

So I wanna point out for DPR, since he is conviently ignoring this fact, I never criticized the TLM spec, I criticized the Cory spec. 2 different things, so don't try to pretend voting TLM is counter to what I've said. It's not.

 

Second, TLM is the/a bad guy in the show Zander. Yeah, he's a less awesome V, but the good guys from this show are in the government (Sector 9 I think) so there's your perspective.

Dpr is touching on this but lenlo's lack of game related posts is disturbing. and is nothing but spec on TLM. 

 

The bolded is one thing that bothered me about dpr's vote, but I honestly am having a hard time seeing this dude as scum this game. 

 

Dpr who are you sussing besides lenlo? if you already said ill find it later

 

 

I did a full reads list earlier.

 

  On 5/1/2017 at 4:00 PM, Killashandra said:

Ok I missed why you are going through lenlo posts DPR I did because nyn wanted to know why I posted about him earlier. I will go back in the mean time and see why you are also doing this. Lol

 

 

In my reads list, I mentioned that I wanted to do some iso's. Lenlo's is first because I'm voting him. 

[seph]

  On 5/1/2017 at 4:08 PM, Killashandra said:

Also in relation to DPR and Seph sussing Lenlo now... I feel I little better about why lenlo's posts struck me as funny. Though to me it was funny haha more than funny as in wtf. I got called out by a few folks for saying that about Lenlo and now that the well known players are doing so it becomes legit and not scummy at all. Funny that.

 

After the game is over can some one help me figure out why I read so scummy every game even though I am town. I would be very grateful.

I literally just posted, and I don't remember people sussing you, but who did?

Dpr has taking flack from nyn and others about it, but he is going into some detail to prove his point imo. and lenlo's game has for sure been slacking

[DPR]

  On 5/1/2017 at 4:08 PM, Killashandra said:

Also in relation to DPR and Seph sussing Lenlo now... I feel I little better about why lenlo's posts struck me as funny. Though to me it was funny haha more than funny as in wtf. I got called out by a few folks for saying that about Lenlo and now that the well known players are doing so it becomes legit and not scummy at all. Funny that.

 

After the game is over can some one help me figure out why I read so scummy every game even though I am town. I would be very grateful.

 

Scummy af imo.

 

  On 5/1/2017 at 4:09 PM, Sooh said:

 

  On 5/1/2017 at 4:03 PM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

 

I recall Sooh and Nyn (will have to confirm) not having problems with his game, but I don't see this as anywhere near town play.

 

You may recall slightly wrong.

 

 

I'll grab it, hold on.

[Killashandra]

Nyn was one. Let me go back and look who else.

[DPR]

  On 5/1/2017 at 1:02 PM, Sooh said:

Catching up through ISO.

 

Darthe is concerning to me because of lack of being here. Seems my vote of tremendous pressure did nothing. *sadface*

 

Tigraine: There's nothing in her 7 posts, however she did say she'd be busy the 30th, so I'm willing to wait and see what she comes back with today before making any judgments there. I pre-judged her last game and was wrong, so I want to wait a bit and see this game. 

 

Lenlo: I liked his "fear mongering" post, because I was feeling the same way at the time. Sure there will be speculation, I mean, the OP tells us to speculate, but to speculate on the basis of nothing is fear mongering. Since then I'm not sure about Lenlo. I wish there was more from him in terms of original thought and reads. It's not enough to appease me yet. 

 

Adam: I read a mix between just blatantly posting to entertain himself and some odd brainwaves in his posts. I agree with what has been previously mentioned about the read on Nyn. It's odd to imagine you can get a read of someone based on chatting to them outside a game. Awaiting his response to a previous post.

 

To be continued.

 

 

You grabbed it...

 

The bold is the feeling I was referring to. 

[Nynaeve]

  On 5/1/2017 at 4:03 PM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

I recall Sooh and Nyn (will have to confirm) not having problems with his game, but I don't see this as anywhere near town play.

 

Yeah, his take on the whole cory chatter echoed my own and I specifically liked the post where he explained in length about the fearmongering. But I also asked earlier if he has given any leans so far and top 3 per Zander's request. Via your ISO, I'm guessing no.

[Sooh]

  On 5/1/2017 at 4:15 PM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

 

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  On 5/1/2017 at 1:02 PM, Sooh said:

Catching up through ISO.

 

Darthe is concerning to me because of lack of being here. Seems my vote of tremendous pressure did nothing. *sadface*

 

Tigraine: There's nothing in her 7 posts, however she did say she'd be busy the 30th, so I'm willing to wait and see what she comes back with today before making any judgments there. I pre-judged her last game and was wrong, so I want to wait a bit and see this game. 

 

Lenlo: I liked his "fear mongering" post, because I was feeling the same way at the time. Sure there will be speculation, I mean, the OP tells us to speculate, but to speculate on the basis of nothing is fear mongering. Since then I'm not sure about Lenlo. I wish there was more from him in terms of original thought and reads. It's not enough to appease me yet. 

 

Adam: I read a mix between just blatantly posting to entertain himself and some odd brainwaves in his posts. I agree with what has been previously mentioned about the read on Nyn. It's odd to imagine you can get a read of someone based on chatting to them outside a game. Awaiting his response to a previous post.

 

To be continued.

 

 

 

 

You grabbed it...

 

The bold is the feeling I was referring to. 

 

I understand that, and yes, I liked aspects of his game, but as you can see that hardly tells the full story. 

[DPR]

  On 5/1/2017 at 4:15 PM, Nynaeve said:

 

  On 5/1/2017 at 4:03 PM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

I recall Sooh and Nyn (will have to confirm) not having problems with his game, but I don't see this as anywhere near town play.

 

Yeah, his take on the whole cory chatter echoed my own and I specifically liked the post where he explained in length about the fearmongering. But I also asked earlier if he has given any leans so far and top 3 per Zander's request. Via your ISO, I'm guessing no.

 

 

 

  On 5/1/2017 at 4:17 PM, Sooh said:

 

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  On 5/1/2017 at 1:02 PM, Sooh said:

Catching up through ISO.

 

Darthe is concerning to me because of lack of being here. Seems my vote of tremendous pressure did nothing. *sadface*

 

Tigraine: There's nothing in her 7 posts, however she did say she'd be busy the 30th, so I'm willing to wait and see what she comes back with today before making any judgments there. I pre-judged her last game and was wrong, so I want to wait a bit and see this game. 

 

Lenlo: I liked his "fear mongering" post, because I was feeling the same way at the time. Sure there will be speculation, I mean, the OP tells us to speculate, but to speculate on the basis of nothing is fear mongering. Since then I'm not sure about Lenlo. I wish there was more from him in terms of original thought and reads. It's not enough to appease me yet. 

 

Adam: I read a mix between just blatantly posting to entertain himself and some odd brainwaves in his posts. I agree with what has been previously mentioned about the read on Nyn. It's odd to imagine you can get a read of someone based on chatting to them outside a game. Awaiting his response to a previous post.

 

To be continued.

 

 

 

 

You grabbed it...

 

The bold is the feeling I was referring to. 

 

I understand that, and yes, I liked aspects of his game, but as you can see that hardly tells the full story. 

 

 

 

To both Nyn & Sooh - I should have phrased "not having problems with his game" to "at the time, supported his posts regarding fear-mongering". 

 

Would that be accurate? 

[Killashandra]

God damnit DPR that was a legit thing I want someone to do. I randed town for all my games. Yet I read as scum until the end when it is solid obvious I am town. So f off dude. I am just trying to learn so I can get better at this game. Thats why I said for some one to volunteer to help me after this game is done. That doesnt help me now and that was not the point anyway. NM I will PM a few people after to see if they are up for it.

 

*flips table*

 

Rofl. Oh god. I am laughing and mad at the same time. How does that work?

 

I need a bucket of ice water to stick my head in to obtain some clarity.

[Nynaeve]

The observation that Lenlo has not gotten past the setup talk at current is fair, but what came to pass at the time irt the whole cory deal and me echoing my agreement is a separate matter. He sounded good to me and I said as much. But yeah, I'd like Lenlo to give his leans atp.

[DPR]

  On 5/1/2017 at 4:22 PM, Killashandra said:

God damnit DPR that was a legit thing I want someone to do. I randed town for all my games. Yet I read as scum until the end when it is solid obvious I am town. So f off dude. I am just trying to learn so I can get better at this game. Thats why I said for some one to volunteer to help me after this game is done. That doesnt help me now and that was not the point anyway. NM I will PM a few people after to see if they are up for it.

 

*flips table*

 

Rofl. Oh god. I am laughing and mad at the same time. How does that work?

 

I need a bucket of ice water to stick my head in to obtain some clarity.

 

 

'Cause I'm talented like that. Also, there was a healthy dose of snarkasm in my previous post, so come back in off the ledge.

[Sooh]

Fair enough, DPR.

[Nynaeve]

ok?

[seph]

these are just some posts from ed's town game

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  On 4/14/2017 at 11:14 PM, ed2funy said:

 

  On 4/14/2017 at 1:56 PM, seph said:

 

  On 4/14/2017 at 1:51 PM, manbat said:

I guess it's ww for healthy well adjusted adults that are actually doing things irl
not me

I mean I can blow the thread up until tomorrow if you like?

Hi, here to blow up the thread like a I do the toilet after a large coffee.

  

  On 4/14/2017 at 2:05 PM, seph said:

 

  On 4/14/2017 at 1:58 PM, manbat said:

as i squeeze the life from their furry carcasses
the syrupy delicious life from their cold dead wolf veins
and then i drink it
i am a vampire

3p claim? Lolo lol
But seriously going to move my vote with love over to this cozy house. [V]shaboose [/v]

Shaboose = Shad/Cory? Imma need y'all to standardize some names here so I won't confused. Thanks.

  

  On 4/14/2017 at 2:44 PM, seph said:

 

  On 4/14/2017 at 5:07 AM, Killashandra said:

 

  On 4/14/2017 at 3:04 AM, Kaylee said:

My kids are the scum team. *nods*

Kids make scum therefore are scum?
I buy it 100% *nods*

  
I feel bad, I didn't say hello :) don't be afraid to just jump in with thoughts!

  On 4/14/2017 at 11:20 AM, Sooh said:

Hello everyone! 
 
Slow game so far.

Besides her op with the Zelda game this is her only post.
With your quote on me you said there was a particular post.
And them above said because she seemed happy.
I think it's important you show your sooh read through the posts you like, or where you thought she was happy to be in this game.
My thought on Cory was more like a hunch, but I'm kinda concerned with you.
I feel like you gave sooh a town read because it was expected of you, not that you actually thought she was towny.

 

Just before where I left off, Shadory said he was happy with her intro, but I missed it and in this reference. Actually makes me feel better about it.  

  On 4/14/2017 at 3:01 PM, Sooh said:

 

  On 4/14/2017 at 2:57 PM, seph said:

 

  On 4/14/2017 at 2:53 PM, Sooh said:

 

  On 4/14/2017 at 1:55 PM, seph said:

 

  On 4/14/2017 at 1:48 PM, manbat said:

what makes you think Clov ia villagery, seph?
I'm not sure I agree given the gamestate

I just liked his vote, and the timing of it.

You liked his vote? For what reasons?

No reason in particular really. I just liked how he placed it, and.when it was placed, kinda.stupid i know lol. But it's just a slight read, and I like my thoughts being out there.

How he placed it? As far as I know it was just a vote with no special explanation? Have to go back and look now that you say this though.

 

Have to agree with Sooh here, tbh. There wasn't really much to read in the way of timing there (unless he uses it to start a train, it's moot)...

 

  On 4/14/2017 at 3:03 PM, Sooh said:

 

  On 4/13/2017 at 10:19 PM, Clovdyx said:

[v]Sooh[/v]

Yeah, I'm not sure what you mean by "how he placed it" here.

 

Yeah, not seeing it either.

 

  On 4/14/2017 at 3:53 PM, seph said:

 

  On 4/14/2017 at 3:35 PM, Shad_ said:

 

  On 4/14/2017 at 2:44 PM, seph said:

Besides her op with the Zelda game this is her only post.
With your quote on me you said there was a particular post.
And them above said because she seemed happy.
I think it's important you show your sooh read through the posts you like, or where you thought she was happy to be in this game.
My thought on Cory was more like a hunch, but I'm kinda concerned with you.I feel like you gave sooh a town read because it was expected of you, not that you actually thought she was towny.

  On 4/14/2017 at 2:54 PM, seph said:

I understand trying to read sooh early. I'm just having a hard time understanding where your read.came from this game. I don't need the substantive reason, but some train of thought is helpful.
The biggest reason questioning you is because I disagree with the attitude read I guess.

Red she has 20 posts so I dunno if your ISO bugged or if I'm misunderstanding you here.
Blue I get where your head's at, and here's the thing. I can go through and revisit each of her posts in detail and reflect on what made me like them, and I can maybe articulate a bit of what went through my head with examples, but it's a bit tedious to do when the read itself was the product of a ten second glance made with all of the awareness that there's a full phase ahead of us and nothing based upon contentless intro babble will have any merit come lynch time.  And it's something I could easily fake because it's so shallow to begin with.  So I'd rather not dive into a half hour self-analysis on such a petty topic.  Suffice to say I usually drop some sort of read on Sooh really early on, and whether it be by sustained luck or some hypersensitive window into her head, it's usually going to be "probably town" when she's town and "too soon to call" when she isn't.  I'm aware of this and will replicate the same behavior as a wolf when I feel the meta consistency will benefit me more than the attention it inevitably always draws.  So I don't think you're going to get a solid read on me one way or the other by the fact that I leaned town on her over next to nothing early on.  If you know me well enough, you could safely conclude that Sooh and I are almost never w/w, but beyond that I would caution against reading too much into it.
 
Good news is unless you possess Zander tier scum WIM you're already a pretty obvious villager.  Suppose I can glance at a wolf game or two tonight when I can devote undistracted attention.

can you at least show me the post, you don't have to delve into anything you don't want to? I just want to wrap my head around this because i tend to overthink things but its really the only thing standing out in the game. resolving this between us is going to help me read you better before others jump in. just re reading this is kinda a deflection of the original question that turns into how you read sooh in general, not how you came to the read in this particular game.

  

At first, I liked Seph's questioning, but idk meta, and if Shad isn't lying, the insistence is off puttting

  On 4/14/2017 at 4:41 PM, Shad_ said:

 

  On 4/14/2017 at 3:53 PM, seph said:

can you at least show me the post, you don't have to delve into anything you don't want to? I just want to wrap my head around this because i tend to overthink things but its really the only thing standing out in the game. resolving this between us is going to help me read you better before others jump in. just re reading this is kinda a deflection of the original question that turns into how you read sooh in general, not how you came to the read in this particular game.

When we're talking howdy posts, specifics are rarely conscious. Her entry felt more genuinely happy to be here than attempting to look happy to be here, and that's a distinction I've had a fair bit of success picking up on with her in the past.
As for the specific post, literally just ask me post-game if you're generically curious or move on from it if you're looking for a basis to read me, because the reaction will correctly be "lol anyone can fake that" and it boils down to me thinking she won't instinctively say certain things as a wolf that come naturally as a villager.
 
If I'm wrong I'm not going to cry myself to sleep over it because we've got a full game ahead of us to establish better reads by.

Just quoting for posterity in reference to above for now.


  

  On 4/14/2017 at 5:14 PM, Songstress said:

 

  On 4/14/2017 at 4:44 PM, Shad_ said:

Once upon a time I might have emo deleted my friends on Skype and might have not logged back in long enough since to humbly request they readd me.

I'm pretty sure I've only ever deleted / unfriended / blocked one person. And daaaaaaaaaaamn did he deserve it.

  
Sowwie.

  On 4/14/2017 at 6:58 PM, Shad_ said:

 

  On 4/14/2017 at 3:40 PM, seph said:

hmmmmmmmmmmm she had like 6 ish at the time of the read i am pretty sure, but im really gana have to formulate a read later on towards this slot as im still conflicted. I need to read one of your scum games as well but i think i like this??? lol. however I kinda want to wait until cory comes in before i do anything else towards this slot

seph do you actually do these things?

LOLOLOLOL, I was gonna ask the same thing. I've seen people say that a lot in just two games since my many year hiatus. How do people have this time?

Of course, I ask that while knowing I used to juggle five mafia games at once and keep them in order. I got old. And drunk.

 

This is his main catch up in his two town games as most are done in real time, or quotes as he reads but the difference from his town games to this game bothers me extremely. You can just look at any posts in the games he is town and how involved he is, even if he is unsure his comments and thoughts show some form of game solving that are severely lacking here. 

 

  On 3/18/2017 at 12:38 AM, ed2funy said:

Seph *already* thinks Dice is town. HmmM?!

Ah yes, hello Seph

I am just missing these types of posts. engagement and ones that show he is thinking.

 

  On 3/18/2017 at 5:43 PM, ed2funy said:

He seems to be using other people's reads of Darthe over his own, for example. Taking those into higher consideration.

On the surface, that's a bad move, because when someone is Mafia, they're not truly reading someone like town are. And so early in the game, most reads are pure hunches.

 

 

  On 3/21/2017 at 2:19 AM, ed2funy said:

[v] Vote Seph & Song [/v]

 

Crusher, you wanna post brah? 

Also, Hallia and Song. Thanks

These are just a few I grabbed a few pages in. He isn't sussing anyone, building any cases (which is one reason i sussed him in his last town game) Which he responds he has a hard time d1. Which is why his reads list bothers me so much this game. ill comment more on that post in particular later.

[DPR]

  On 5/1/2017 at 4:26 PM, Sooh said:

Fair enough, DPR.

 

 

  On 5/1/2017 at 4:26 PM, Nynaeve said:

ok?

 

 

I'm good if y'all are. 

[Killashandra]

Sorry DPR I havent slept. I stayed up last night to finish some writing jobs and had to just stay up to get on with the usual morning routine. I am going to go take a nap or at least lay down. I am feeling a little loopy from no sleep.

[Nynaeve]

Where's Adam?

[Lenlo]

  On 5/1/2017 at 1:59 PM, Nynaeve said:

 

  On 5/1/2017 at 9:45 AM, Niniel said:

Lenlo - it feels like he voted TLM to have his vote on someone = safe without needing to explain a vote on another player.

 

If I remember right, Lenlo blew himself up once in a game where it was indicated by the mod that saying hastur three times should be done at your own peril. He did it anyhow and went poof xD. So if there's anyone I'd expect to push the envelope irt an unknown factor, it's probably lenlo lol

 

btw, has Lenlo given his top 3? I don't recall it.

 

That only silenced me thank you. Hastur Hastur Hastur.

 

As for top 3, top 3 to lynch or top 3 town? Which ya want?

 

  On 5/1/2017 at 3:16 PM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

 

  On 5/1/2017 at 1:43 PM, Lenlo said:

First, on phone.

 

So I wanna point out for DPR, since he is conviently ignoring this fact, I never criticized the TLM spec, I criticized the Cory spec. 2 different things, so don't try to pretend voting TLM is counter to what I've said. It's not.

 

Second, TLM is the/a bad guy in the show Zander. Yeah, he's a less awesome V, but the good guys from this show are in the government (Sector 9 I think) so there's your perspective.

 

I'm trying to block out some time to iso, but until then:

 

This is exactly why my vote is still on you.

 

1. You are not helping to move the game forward - you keep coming back to this point over and over. You need to turn in your reads on everything else in the game.

2. You say "conveniently ignoring this fact", but I'm the one who drew the distinction between speculation on mechanics vs. your "fear-mongering". It's frustrating that others are not seeing this, but you did criticize the conversation over TLM. Then you agreed that speculation over the mechanics could be useful.

3. To your statement regarding that your vote on TLM is not counter to what you did, I point to your statement below:

 

  On 5/1/2017 at 1:49 PM, Lenlo said:

It's possible Shad did his thing and randomized roles between characters so that char claims wouldn't break the game. Also possible he did something similar with TLM and he's a neutral npc role or something.

 

We have no evidence to go off of whether the role is town or wolf or even important

 

4. You did agree with me that mechanics talk was not bad - your point was that fear-mongering was bad. By agreeing that speculation on mechanics is alright, the implication is that TLM/slot#14 does is potentially important to the game.

 

Then you voted it. 

 

That's exactly counter to what you said.

Your misrepping me.

 

1. Im coming back to it because it is the centerpiece to your "case" on me. 

2. You drew the distinction? When asked, I specified what I believed was valid speculation and what was not.

3. Does that statement in any way shape or form say I have a problem lynching the slot? 

4. Once again, your failing to acknowledge the distinction. The discussion as per Cory in the TLM slot was fear mongering. The discussion as to the slots role in the game was speculation. 

 

Your entire spiel is built off of your misrepping the "fear-mongering" conversation/word. TLM is the most interesting/best bet for me atm, though the more you misrep this crap the farther down you go.

 

Darthe - Dudes posted once. Should be posting more, I expect him to be abit of a talker.

Sooh - Classic Sooh. Shes the same as I remember afew months ago, which means I cant read her, but I like the familiarity.

Dice - No bad vibes here

seph - Dudes all over the place, in some posts hes making sense in others I begin to doubt hes reading the same thread I am. Would not fight his lynch, would not push it. Yet.

Killashandra - I have no idea who this even is, but her posts make me believe we are in 2 different games. Every other post confuses me because I dont get how certain ideas get there. I think theres validity in lynching this slot

DPR - Misrepping the hell out of me, but the dudes trying. Depending on how this conversation goes he will either continue to drop or he will become a misguided towny. ATM though I feel hes going for an easy misrep lynch on D1 since ive been gone for months

Niniel - Sheeping DPR? Her entire reason for voting me is that I voted TLM, cause she thinks its a safe slot to avoid voting another player when she herself was not voting up till this point. Her only other suspects are people that arnt here. Shes tagging along for an easy to explain lynch, without any real effort behind the read like DPR. WTL

Lenlo - Hi

Nynaeve - Same wave length. Like her.

Zander - Like him. Dudes loud, doing what I have come to expect.

ed2funy - Catchup made me like him, but hes not really dont much. Besties, but would not fight his lynch.

Tigraine - MIA

Adam - Who?

Laughing Man - A mod slot, could be anything, wanna see what happens if we lynch it.

 

So yeah, im good with TLM, DPR, Niniel or Killa

 

  On 5/1/2017 at 4:15 PM, Nynaeve said:

 

  On 5/1/2017 at 4:03 PM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

I recall Sooh and Nyn (will have to confirm) not having problems with his game, but I don't see this as anywhere near town play.

 

Yeah, his take on the whole cory chatter echoed my own and I specifically liked the post where he explained in length about the fearmongering. But I also asked earlier if he has given any leans so far and top 3 per Zander's request. Via your ISO, I'm guessing no.

 

Did Zander ask? Didnt notice. I know he asked for an "I am town" statement for LD like he always does and if anyone knew the source, which im pretty sure I indicated earlier on that I did.

[DPR]

  On 5/1/2017 at 4:27 PM, seph said:

these are just some posts from ed's town game

 

 

  Reveal hidden contents

 

  On 4/14/2017 at 11:14 PM, ed2funy said:

 

  On 4/14/2017 at 1:56 PM, seph said:

 

  On 4/14/2017 at 1:51 PM, manbat said:

I guess it's ww for healthy well adjusted adults that are actually doing things irl

not me

I mean I can blow the thread up until tomorrow if you like?

Hi, here to blow up the thread like a I do the toilet after a large coffee.

 

  

  On 4/14/2017 at 2:05 PM, seph said:

 

  On 4/14/2017 at 1:58 PM, manbat said:

as i squeeze the life from their furry carcasses

the syrupy delicious life from their cold dead wolf veins

and then i drink it

i am a vampire

3p claim? Lolo lol

But seriously going to move my vote with love over to this cozy house. [V]shaboose [/v]

Shaboose = Shad/Cory? Imma need y'all to standardize some names here so I won't confused. Thanks.

 

  

  On 4/14/2017 at 2:44 PM, seph said:

 

  On 4/14/2017 at 5:07 AM, Killashandra said:

 

  On 4/14/2017 at 3:04 AM, Kaylee said:

My kids are the scum team. *nods*

Kids make scum therefore are scum?

I buy it 100% *nods*

  

I feel bad, I didn't say hello :) don't be afraid to just jump in with thoughts!

 

  On 4/14/2017 at 11:20 AM, Sooh said:

Hello everyone! 

 

Slow game so far.

Besides her op with the Zelda game this is her only post.

With your quote on me you said there was a particular post.

And them above said because she seemed happy.

I think it's important you show your sooh read through the posts you like, or where you thought she was happy to be in this game.

My thought on Cory was more like a hunch, but I'm kinda concerned with you.

I feel like you gave sooh a town read because it was expected of you, not that you actually thought she was towny.

 

 

Just before where I left off, Shadory said he was happy with her intro, but I missed it and in this reference. Actually makes me feel better about it.  

 

  On 4/14/2017 at 3:01 PM, Sooh said:

 

  On 4/14/2017 at 2:57 PM, seph said:

 

  On 4/14/2017 at 2:53 PM, Sooh said:

 

  On 4/14/2017 at 1:55 PM, seph said:

 

  On 4/14/2017 at 1:48 PM, manbat said:

what makes you think Clov ia villagery, seph?

I'm not sure I agree given the gamestate

I just liked his vote, and the timing of it.

You liked his vote? For what reasons?

No reason in particular really. I just liked how he placed it, and.when it was placed, kinda.stupid i know lol. But it's just a slight read, and I like my thoughts being out there.

How he placed it? As far as I know it was just a vote with no special explanation? Have to go back and look now that you say this though.

 

 

Have to agree with Sooh here, tbh. There wasn't really much to read in the way of timing there (unless he uses it to start a train, it's moot)...

 

 

  On 4/14/2017 at 3:03 PM, Sooh said:

 

  On 4/13/2017 at 10:19 PM, Clovdyx said:

[v]Sooh[/v]

Yeah, I'm not sure what you mean by "how he placed it" here.

 

 

Yeah, not seeing it either.

 

 

  On 4/14/2017 at 3:53 PM, seph said:

 

  On 4/14/2017 at 3:35 PM, Shad_ said:

 

  On 4/14/2017 at 2:44 PM, seph said:

Besides her op with the Zelda game this is her only post.

With your quote on me you said there was a particular post.

And them above said because she seemed happy.

I think it's important you show your sooh read through the posts you like, or where you thought she was happy to be in this game.

My thought on Cory was more like a hunch, but I'm kinda concerned with you.I feel like you gave sooh a town read because it was expected of you, not that you actually thought she was towny.

  On 4/14/2017 at 2:54 PM, seph said:

I understand trying to read sooh early. I'm just having a hard time understanding where your read.came from this game. I don't need the substantive reason, but some train of thought is helpful.

The biggest reason questioning you is because I disagree with the attitude read I guess.

Red she has 20 posts so I dunno if your ISO bugged or if I'm misunderstanding you here.

Blue I get where your head's at, and here's the thing. I can go through and revisit each of her posts in detail and reflect on what made me like them, and I can maybe articulate a bit of what went through my head with examples, but it's a bit tedious to do when the read itself was the product of a ten second glance made with all of the awareness that there's a full phase ahead of us and nothing based upon contentless intro babble will have any merit come lynch time.  And it's something I could easily fake because it's so shallow to begin with.  So I'd rather not dive into a half hour self-analysis on such a petty topic.  Suffice to say I usually drop some sort of read on Sooh really early on, and whether it be by sustained luck or some hypersensitive window into her head, it's usually going to be "probably town" when she's town and "too soon to call" when she isn't.  I'm aware of this and will replicate the same behavior as a wolf when I feel the meta consistency will benefit me more than the attention it inevitably always draws.  So I don't think you're going to get a solid read on me one way or the other by the fact that I leaned town on her over next to nothing early on.  If you know me well enough, you could safely conclude that Sooh and I are almost never w/w, but beyond that I would caution against reading too much into it.

 

Good news is unless you possess Zander tier scum WIM you're already a pretty obvious villager.  Suppose I can glance at a wolf game or two tonight when I can devote undistracted attention.

can you at least show me the post, you don't have to delve into anything you don't want to? I just want to wrap my head around this because i tend to overthink things but its really the only thing standing out in the game. resolving this between us is going to help me read you better before others jump in. just re reading this is kinda a deflection of the original question that turns into how you read sooh in general, not how you came to the read in this particular game.

  

 

At first, I liked Seph's questioning, but idk meta, and if Shad isn't lying, the insistence is off puttting

 

  On 4/14/2017 at 4:41 PM, Shad_ said:

 

  On 4/14/2017 at 3:53 PM, seph said:

can you at least show me the post, you don't have to delve into anything you don't want to? I just want to wrap my head around this because i tend to overthink things but its really the only thing standing out in the game. resolving this between us is going to help me read you better before others jump in. just re reading this is kinda a deflection of the original question that turns into how you read sooh in general, not how you came to the read in this particular game.

When we're talking howdy posts, specifics are rarely conscious. Her entry felt more genuinely happy to be here than attempting to look happy to be here, and that's a distinction I've had a fair bit of success picking up on with her in the past.

As for the specific post, literally just ask me post-game if you're generically curious or move on from it if you're looking for a basis to read me, because the reaction will correctly be "lol anyone can fake that" and it boils down to me thinking she won't instinctively say certain things as a wolf that come naturally as a villager.

 

If I'm wrong I'm not going to cry myself to sleep over it because we've got a full game ahead of us to establish better reads by.

Just quoting for posterity in reference to above for now.

 

 

  

  On 4/14/2017 at 5:14 PM, Songstress said:

 

  On 4/14/2017 at 4:44 PM, Shad_ said:

Once upon a time I might have emo deleted my friends on Skype and might have not logged back in long enough since to humbly request they readd me.

I'm pretty sure I've only ever deleted / unfriended / blocked one person. And daaaaaaaaaaamn did he deserve it.

  

Sowwie.

 

 

  On 4/14/2017 at 6:58 PM, Shad_ said:

 

  On 4/14/2017 at 3:40 PM, seph said:

hmmmmmmmmmmm she had like 6 ish at the time of the read i am pretty sure, but im really gana have to formulate a read later on towards this slot as im still conflicted. I need to read one of your scum games as well but i think i like this??? lol. however I kinda want to wait until cory comes in before i do anything else towards this slot

seph do you actually do these things?

LOLOLOLOL, I was gonna ask the same thing. I've seen people say that a lot in just two games since my many year hiatus. How do people have this time?

 

Of course, I ask that while knowing I used to juggle five mafia games at once and keep them in order. I got old. And drunk.

 

This is his main catch up in his two town games as most are done in real time, or quotes as he reads but the difference from his town games to this game bothers me extremely. You can just look at any posts in the games he is town and how involved he is, even if he is unsure his comments and thoughts show some form of game solving that are severely lacking here. 

 

  On 3/18/2017 at 12:38 AM, ed2funy said:

Seph *already* thinks Dice is town. HmmM?!

 

Ah yes, hello Seph

I am just missing these types of posts. engagement and ones that show he is thinking.

 

  On 3/18/2017 at 5:43 PM, ed2funy said:

He seems to be using other people's reads of Darthe over his own, for example. Taking those into higher consideration.

 

On the surface, that's a bad move, because when someone is Mafia, they're not truly reading someone like town are. And so early in the game, most reads are pure hunches.

 

 

  On 3/21/2017 at 2:19 AM, ed2funy said:

[v] Vote Seph & Song [/v]

 

Crusher, you wanna post brah? 

Also, Hallia and Song. Thanks

These are just a few I grabbed a few pages in. He isn't sussing anyone, building any cases (which is one reason i sussed him in his last town game) Which he responds he has a hard time d1. Which is why his reads list bothers me so much this game. ill comment more on that post in particular later.

 

I see your point now - he has modified his play a bit. I'll go back and read to see what I see.

[Nynaeve]

  On 5/1/2017 at 4:35 PM, Lenlo said:

 

  On 5/1/2017 at 1:59 PM, Nynaeve said:

 

  On 5/1/2017 at 9:45 AM, Niniel said:

Lenlo - it feels like he voted TLM to have his vote on someone = safe without needing to explain a vote on another player.

 

If I remember right, Lenlo blew himself up once in a game where it was indicated by the mod that saying hastur three times should be done at your own peril. He did it anyhow and went poof xD. So if there's anyone I'd expect to push the envelope irt an unknown factor, it's probably lenlo lol

 

btw, has Lenlo given his top 3? I don't recall it.

 

That only silenced me thank you. Hastur Hastur Hastur.

 

Really? I could have sworn we lost you super early.