[Advanced] Ghost in the Shell - MAFIA WIN

[DPR]

 

 

i mean ed can tell us if I was protecting dice, he is in the qt where I posted my thoughts about him lol. You protected him most of the game, or fence sat about him until dice niniel comments.

 

I'm reading dice's posts but I don't understand what's talking about! Boyo has gone off the deep end on this one. 

 

Niniel is gonna flip scum and dice is next.

 

here is your dice and niniel post where you were linking them and when niniel flips town you do nothing but dig after dice. You never tried to review him or consider you could have been wrong. you spent the whole time painting a red bullseye imo

 

I've been vocal about seeing dice as town all game. Then he pulled his vote off of Niniel for no reason, asked me to trust him and had to buy himself some time to think. He looked bad after that. 

 

I find it amazing that you don't post any of my quotes where I say i think you were right about dice being scum. Why don't you dig those up? I'd post the whole damn thread if that was allowed - which is why I suggested doing it! ed can confirm that as well.

 

 

1. first off i wasnt buying time to think i simply said i wanted to wait to discuss that. not everyone had come into the game

 

and i had ALREADY told tigs i wasnt claiming hacker yet on purpose.  that pretty clearly points to im laying a trap.

 

 

 

dpr if I was scum with dice and you were town, WHY would I set him up in the qt with you were i could lynch him to just defend him? lynching dice and gaining favor with you would be the easiest way to win since we are literally the loudest two players.

 

ed and tigs please follow me and dice here, I really want to turn this thing around and win. 

 

Tigs you did not get a  qt when you viewed TLM as did dice, how does it make sense that 2 others got results? something is obviously fishy here, and if they had a roleblock they would have used it night 2 when you viewed ed.

If somehow they did rb you night 2 and 3 then I am completely wrong here and we already lost regardless of what you do. 

 

I don't know! But whatever scum has been doing is working pretty well so far, so if you're town, I don't think defending your play is such a great idea.

 

I screwed up on Niniel. I pushed and I was wrong. I've owned it. 

 

TOWN HAS NOT LOST YET. Stop saying that.

 

Tags got hack results - she has a QT with dice, who acted like a complete weirdo about it! Tags also named her peeks and they are there, just like she said, confirmed by 2 players. She is the last player in question now.

 

dice is not a hacker and mafia roleblocked Tigs from TLM. Nice and simple explanation. It's not exactly like she wasn't hinting, which is why I tried to draw the NK to me and told her to be carfeful.

 

This is all kinds of frustrating. 

 

 

2. I hacked Tigs remember?  she hacked me as well but i DO have a result.

 

and my other results are the same as Eds and tigs 

 

 

 

@ dpr.

 

again.. im literally repeating myself

 

1. If scum had a roleblock they would have used it night 2 when she viewed ed. It makes 0 sense to know who the cop is and not rb them if you have it.

 

Niniel had a 2x tracker. They might have a 2x role block. The simple explanation is usually the best. But you want to avoid that at all costs.  

 

 

 

Blue. 

 

 

3. except that BOTH ninel and Tigs got 2 results and ninel was outted D1 and tigs D2 iirc? but neither got roleblocked then? PUHLEASE! thats such a load of crud

 

 

[V]dice[/v]

 

Even if im right, we're still losing this game imo. Loltown.

 

youre wrong 

 

 

My thoughts are gonna be all over the place; hope they're clear.

 

Mod announcement

 

All players:

 

Read the rules on page 1 and type R&U when this has been accomplished.

R & U

 

 

First, can I just say I love this game? Honestly truly, I do. I'm confused, I feel the trap springing around us, and I'm tinfoiling everything so hard right now.

 

Shad, love ya bae. Whether this game is a win or lose, thanks for Modding it!

 

Usually at work I can't post too much and it's forever to get thoughts out. I've been trying to type this post for like fifteen minutes now. Might be time for a poop break! Kidding, having a pre-poo break by taking a quick lunch break so I can read up and post. I keep updating this section with where I'm at. Didn't have time to finish during lunch (ate at my desk), nor at poop time (too many posts).

 

Killa, lolcatting at this point in the game is bad. You're ether scum for it and don't care because the thread is moving in the direction you want or you're giving up and it ruins the spirit of the game. UNTIL THE END! *rally cry*

 

Can we get everyone to add their claimed roles and repeat what info they got or didn't get? Also, check to see what I'm missing from before. Thanks.

 

 

 

1. Darthe - Yamaguchi, Town Vanilla Human - Killed N1

2. Sooh manbat - Aoi, Town Hacker - Killed N2

7. Niniel - Togusa, Town Human 2x Tracker - Lynched D3

8. Lenlo - Paz, Town Vanilla Cyborg - Lynched D2

10. Zander Cass - Azuma, Town Vanilla Human - Killed N3

 

13. Adam - Operator, Town Vanilla Cyborg - Lynched D1

 

 

14. Laughing Man

 

11. ed2funy, Borma, Hacker - N1: Killa with no result; N2: Holster; N3: Seph with a link to a QT, I could tell there were voices in his head (hoping that's up to par with getting divinations from God himself and not quoting anyone in particular... gonna stop referring that whole PM)

 

12. Tigraine, Hacker & Amnesiac Cop

 

9. Nynaeve, Maven, Hacker

 

4. seph

6. DPR

5. Killashandra

3. Dice

 

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Reading back up after reading through all the posts on the DPR/Seph Q.

 

Y'all saying you're in the scenes to clear yourselves. LOLOLOL who even reads those?

 

There is scum in tigs and dice and since tlm has tigs peeks it's dice imo.

This is probably the post that is gonna do you and Dice in for me. How are you going to suss the damn Cop on Lylo?! Speculating about Roleblocks and Hacks and TLM is fine, but seriously... This felt like some convoluted attempt to lay ground work to counter the Cop this late.

 

@DPR, I didn't say I assumed there was a GF. I said assuming you *could* be one. I.e. If there's one. It just means more room to tinfoil.

 

Dice, why are you pushing that only Nyn can hack TLM? I'm going to try tonight, because I think that's just you trying to play the town. Why are you so special of a Hacker?

 

chance on nyn dpr tig scum team?

^ Here comes Seph with sussing Tigs again! WHO DOES THIS?!

 

she had too many details. cant be scum. same with ed

Yeah, see. This is where I had a problem with you before. This feels like sheeping. You came in after the fact and said you could corroborate that and it made us Town. Which would make others think you are.

 

I can totally see what DPR is saying about Dice not actually being a Hacker. He told Tigs to, blocked her, and "hacked" TLM with no result. Dang it, Bobby.

 

Getting busy at work so can't quote posts and put as many up just yet. But based off of their QT and current thread activities, I'm honestly seeing DPR as a desperate Townie, not a desperate scum. He's too careful as a player to get into a situation like this.

 

Dammit, I keep trying to skim but this is good and I keep having to actually do work. Stahp

 

Dice/Seph/Killa

Over DPR/Nyn/Killa

 

DPR, idk how the hell you let Seph play you so hard on a QT and in game.

 

For better or worse. If I lose this game for us because I voted wrong, I'll apologize. But damn, this feels run. And right.

 

[v]Dice[/v] remind me watch you more carefully next game.

 

 

4. im Batou and i hacked Killa  no result tigs got a qt and tlm no result

 

red   read my post! SOMEONE has to be able to get tigs results. and either EVERYONE can QT with TLM or only one can. Tigs and i couldnt. so it makes sense for only one being able

 

blue  and u have never seen someone come in and be able to corroborate someone else cause of shared info? cause i have/ and its not like i can corroborate you BEFORE you say that info.

 

red  I told tigs to so that if one of us died wed still get the info

 

 

 

and after reading this post i just realized   i think i derfed. Its bloody ed.

 

 

 

This quote is long, so I've highlighted dice's posts that I'm responding to in orange, numbers 1 through 4.

 

1. Your description and explanation of your QT with Tags was just weird - it was awkward. It pinged me at the time and then Tigs posted that you were upset about her having told the thread about you, which is exactly what we were asking her to do, jus comes across as you trying to hide something. You are both experienced mafia players - you know what a QT is. Like I said, the entire thing just seemed off.

 

2. No - this is not true. You claim you're a hacker - but you didn't hack anyone and get a QT on N1 (you went on about how you thought you were the Doc, which is bizarre in and of itself) so no proof N1.

 

On N2, you wound up in a QT with Tigs - but then you got weird and tried to hide it. You told her not to tell anyone?! That doesn't sound like you planned out a hack at all - it sounds like she hacked you and caught you by surprise. 

 

You claim N3's hack was on TLM, but that didn't work either. Nyn and I made it in - so we know it could be done.

 

That leaves you with no proof on any night that you are a hacker. 

 

3. You're just re-hashing Seph's failed argument here, and throwing in a dose of confusion to boot. We don't know what happened, but there are plenty of possible scenarios and to put it all in context, we know Tigs got in peeks for N1 and N2 - so what do you think happened to her missing N3 peek?

 

4. This doesn't even make sense - what do you mean you told Tigs that if one of you died, you'd still get the info? Can you explain this?

[dicetosser1]

yep i told her not to say anything. Why? simple I wanted to see who was gonna jump on her post about me having a QT and my not talking about it.

 

pretty simple right?

 

Youve been bringing up a RB today. But if there was an RB and Tigs and Ninel have been outted since early game why wasnt one of them blocked N1 or 2? Can you explain that?

 the N3 peek was on TLM  so was her hack. If one doesnt work it makes sense that the other doesnt. Remember Ninel tried tracking TLM and got no result too.

 

 

what do you mean it doesnt make sense? You arnt dumb DPR so dont pretend like you are. We BOTH hacked TLM. The reason i suggested it is because Tigs and me to a lesser extent were potential NKs. If we both do the same action even if one of us is killed Town still gets the info.

I was assuming we'd actually GET info.

[DPR]

yep i told her not to say anything. Why? simple I wanted to see who was gonna jump on her post about me having a QT and my not talking about it.

 

pretty simple right?

 

Youve been bringing up a RB today. But if there was an RB and Tigs and Ninel have been outted since early game why wasnt one of them blocked N1 or 2? Can you explain that?

 the N3 peek was on TLM  so was her hack. If one doesnt work it makes sense that the other doesnt. Remember Ninel tried tracking TLM and got no result too.

 

 

what do you mean it doesnt make sense? You arnt dumb DPR so dont pretend like you are. We BOTH hacked TLM. The reason i suggested it is because Tigs and me to a lesser extent were potential NKs. If we both do the same action even if one of us is killed Town still gets the info.

I was assuming we'd actually GET info.

 

 

 Are you saying you suggested Tigs hack TLM? 

 

This is great - that sounds awfully familiar - Seph also suggested that I hack TLM.

 

ed can confirm this from our QT. 

 

So your great idea was that you would risk the freaking cop... and you even said "if one of us gets killed"  Sounds townie to me :P

 

You remember the post where I told her not to risk herself - that others would do that. That was to protect our cop. Oh man. This just went full retard. 

[dicetosser1]

 

 

 

 Are you saying you suggested Tigs hack TLM? 

 

This is great - that sounds awfully familiar - Seph also suggested that I hack TLM.

 

ed can confirm this from our QT. 

 

So your great idea was that you would risk the freaking cop... and you even said "if one of us gets killed"  Sounds townie to me :P

 

You remember the post where I told her not to risk herself - that others would do that. That was to protect our cop. Oh man. This just went full retard. 

 

 

 

 

 

and you think seph is scum with me and we did that on purpose? gimme a little bit more credit then THAT plz. Thats just too obvious and too easy to get caught out on.

 

 

Blue   glad you agree and admit im town!

 

 

As for risking the cop    how did i risk her anymore then she already was? The fact she wasnt killed is weird    and yes i know you went on with ure fake doc stuff. So she was already at risk of dying AND i did the SAME thing so that if either of us died the info got out.

 

Also i didnt MAKE her do it. I didnt even talk her into it. I suggested she said yes

 

I also suggested she cop someone OTHER then TLM.

[seph]

What the heck ed??? Are you kidding me.... I'm literally going to feel do bad if killa was actually town, that vote is ..... for such a important one.

 

You didn't even interact or take the time to interact with anyone before voting and it is literally blowing my mind.

 

 

Killa if you are town and had just gave up I'm srry for not seeing it and pushing so hard at the end here but I really thought you were mafia...

 

If you are congratulations and I take all the above back lol, I think it's hard to see the mafia team with 2 hackers and I'm just kinda depressed right now

[ed2funy]

Dice, I don't think either of them had revealed anything by N1? 

 

 

Dice, you realize why that last line sounds exactly like you're scum? That's why I'm voting you. 

 

Tigs Hacks TLM

Dice RBs Tigs

Dice claims they were both blocked or denied in some way

 

I could see Tigs not getting in because of game mechanics, but we KNOW she was blocked because there were no results. 

That means you can't have been blocked. Which means that's *another* night you don't have proof of your Hacking. 
Combine that with your "corroborating" Tigs and I being town and using that to appear Town....

 

 

Dice = scum

 

Logic. Eddie GOATen. 

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Also, can literally confirm Seph said DPR should hack TLM. Then tried to say in the QT he was interested in the results and DPR hacking TLM would prove Dice as scum. WUT? 

[ed2funy]

Tigs and Killa need to come vote. Once Dice is done for, we can come after Seph and Killa. 

 

#sometinfoilonNynstillbutnotreally

 

Killa will probably vote DPR with her team to even up DPR/Dice trains. Then it's up to Tigs. 

[ed2funy]

That vote is what? It makes sense to me. 

[seph]

Yes and then dice got the same freaking results as the cop.

 

I tinfoil ed on the cop but you leave out the 5 quotes where I say I believe her.... I guess we will know whem killa/tigs come in.

 

 

I literally have 0 reason as mafia to side with dice like this whem I was in 0 trouble and would have outed the entire team it literally makes no sense eddie, just like your vote.

 

 

 

You literally came in and voted without consulting anyone on the most important lynch... I'm literally in a right now.

 

I promise you I care about this game more than anyone in here and it's because I'm town, and do not want to lose this.

 

So if killa and tigs are town it's up to both of you but I'm pretty deflated right now...

[seph]

Tigs and Killa need to come vote. Once Dice is done for, we can come after Seph and Killa. 

 

#sometinfoilonNynstillbutnotreally

 

Killa will probably vote DPR with her team to even up DPR/Dice trains. Then it's up to Tigs.

 

OK OK lol what?? This makes me feel actually better.

Why in the world would you think killa would vote dpr over me after what I just put her through is beyond me

[Killashandra]

What the heck ed??? Are you kidding me.... I'm literally going to feel do bad if killa was actually town, that vote is ..... for such a important one.

 

You didn't even interact or take the time to interact with anyone before voting and it is literally blowing my mind.

 

 

Killa if you are town and had just gave up I'm srry for not seeing it and pushing so hard at the end here but I really thought you were mafia...

 

If you are congratulations and I take all the above back lol, I think it's hard to see the mafia team with 2 hackers and I'm just kinda depressed right now

 

 

Sorry Seph I am totally town all the way down town, but just totally lost spirit for the game. I kind of want to get back to it but the really super long quotes are just too much. I feel like this game is already mafia win. I probably wont vote at all. Dice vs DPR that is just crazy because it could be either. 

 

I dont know maybe I will vote. Playing it by ear here.

[dicetosser1]

Dice, I don't think either of them had revealed anything by N1? 

 

 

Dice, you realize why that last line sounds exactly like you're scum? That's why I'm voting you. 

 

Tigs Hacks TLM

Dice RBs Tigs

Dice claims they were both blocked or denied in some way

 

I could see Tigs not getting in because of game mechanics, but we KNOW she was blocked because there were no results. 

That means you can't have been blocked. Which means that's *another* night you don't have proof of your Hacking. 

Combine that with your "corroborating" Tigs and I being town and using that to appear Town....

 

 

Dice = scum

 

Logic. Eddie GOATen. 

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Also, can literally confirm Seph said DPR should hack TLM. Then tried to say in the QT he was interested in the results and DPR hacking TLM would prove Dice as scum. WUT? 

 

crap

 

you and I BOTH got no result N1 on killa remember? were we BOTH blocked ed? Huh? And ok niniel was D2 not 1  explain why she or tigs havent been blocked N2. they were both out by that point

 

Its pretty simple sometimes you dont get a result. You and me N1 me and tigs n3

[dicetosser1]

Tigs and Killa need to come vote. Once Dice is done for, we can come after Seph and Killa. 

 

#sometinfoilonNynstillbutnotreally

 

Killa will probably vote DPR with her team to even up DPR/Dice trains. Then it's up to Tigs. 

 

No you CANT bananaboy! its LYLO remember? you lynch me and its game over!

 

FFS ed wake the hell up!

[seph]

Killa you have to vote right or wrong.

I'll be back in 20 mins

 

 

Killa tell me this, if I was mafia and dpr was town why would I blackball any of the other town members if I need just 1 on my side to win?

 

I'm the only one here at the end trying to actually gamesolve and I messed up with you in place of ed.

If I was scum I would just be painting a picture of just dpr and getting anyone I can on my side.

 

Gamesolving as scum there literally losses me the game, the only people I should suspect if I was scum are people suspecting me aka dprs entire phase today.

[seph]

Dice ed already voted and killa is here so she is town otherwise we would have lost already

[Shad_]

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT

 

DPR (2) - Dice, Seph

 

Dice (3) - DPR, Nynaeve, Ed

 

Not Voting: Killashandra, Tig

 

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

 

This is LYLO. Votes will be locked in place once cast.

 

[seph]

 

Dice, I don't think either of them had revealed anything by N1? 

 

 

Dice, you realize why that last line sounds exactly like you're scum? That's why I'm voting you. 

 

Tigs Hacks TLM

Dice RBs Tigs

Dice claims they were both blocked or denied in some way

 

I could see Tigs not getting in because of game mechanics, but we KNOW she was blocked because there were no results. 

That means you can't have been blocked. Which means that's *another* night you don't have proof of your Hacking. 

Combine that with your "corroborating" Tigs and I being town and using that to appear Town....

 

 

Dice = scum

 

Logic. Eddie GOATen. 

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Also, can literally confirm Seph said DPR should hack TLM. Then tried to say in the QT he was interested in the results and DPR hacking TLM would prove Dice as scum. WUT?

 

 

crap

 

you and I BOTH got no result N1 on killa remember? were we BOTH blocked ed? Huh? And ok niniel was D2 not 1  explain why she or tigs havent been blocked N2. they were both out by that point

 

Its pretty simple sometimes you dont get a result. You and me N1 me and tigs n3

I don't even understand how they are even trying to argue this still...

 

This is what literally was a major change in my mindset.

Dice received the same thing as tugs who is town.

 

Two others receive the opposite result from the cop and DPR spends a lot of time just talking how a role block is possible, when the above dice mentions never happens. 2xpr are outed night 2 and neither gets roleblocked, I mean come on...

[DPR]

 

 

Dice, I don't think either of them had revealed anything by N1? 

 

 

Dice, you realize why that last line sounds exactly like you're scum? That's why I'm voting you. 

 

Tigs Hacks TLM

Dice RBs Tigs

Dice claims they were both blocked or denied in some way

 

I could see Tigs not getting in because of game mechanics, but we KNOW she was blocked because there were no results. 

That means you can't have been blocked. Which means that's *another* night you don't have proof of your Hacking. 

Combine that with your "corroborating" Tigs and I being town and using that to appear Town....

 

 

Dice = scum

 

Logic. Eddie GOATen. 

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Also, can literally confirm Seph said DPR should hack TLM. Then tried to say in the QT he was interested in the results and DPR hacking TLM would prove Dice as scum. WUT?

 

crap

 

you and I BOTH got no result N1 on killa remember? were we BOTH blocked ed? Huh? And ok niniel was D2 not 1  explain why she or tigs havent been blocked N2. they were both out by that point

 

Its pretty simple sometimes you dont get a result. You and me N1 me and tigs n3

I don't even understand how they are even trying to argue this still...

 

This is what literally was a major change in my mindset.

Dice received the same thing as tugs who is town.

 

Two others receive the opposite result from the cop and DPR spends a lot of time just talking how a role block is possible, when the above dice mentions never happens. 2xpr are outed night 2 and neither gets roleblocked, I mean come on...

 

 

 

You get points for not giving up, I'll give you that.

 

But your point doesn't work because dice could have easily copied Tags reveal and Killa had already revealed as human, which speculation has determined can't be hacked. 

 

You're just fudging of timelines and reveal order to make it harder for people to go back and look.

 

It ain't gonna work.

[seph]

post some examples of these please lol. show me how im fudging timelines?
Here is the thing dpr I KNOW IM RIGHT because the game is not over, and I am a freaking town cyborg.

Ill take your points and im going to take this sweep from you

[seph]

your right dice could have indeed copied tigs reveal, BUT since DICE CLAIMED HIS RESULTS B4 you and nyn that point is moot.

[seph]

literally dpr is not trying to solve this game, He has been pushing dice since niniel after he LITERALLY tied these two together, and when niniel flip town he does nothing to attempt to read dice further. Instead he trys to discredit him the SAME EXACT way he did niniel. and literally continues his push with 0 hesitation.

He has been spending most of his time trying to explain how a roleblock happened night 3 instead of night 2 when we have 2 prs outed.

most if not all of his d3 play is more so trying to discredit people rather than actually solve the game

[seph]

killa please think about this. why as scum would I push you away as a townie when I would need a townie's vote to seal the game...

The only townies you would sus endgame are ones that are sussing you, or the 1 you are trying to get lynched. 

I am literally trying as hard as I can and I hope you and tigs can see this, I know I have messed up a majority of this game and don't deserve it, but I am asking you all to trust me right now.

[ed2funy]

Even if I were to really believe some of my own tinfoil, only one of Nyn and DPR could be mafia, imo. 

 

You and Dice and some pretty nifty coordination. DPR and Nyn could have have some coordination on the QT, but also, one of them could be working with you two. 

Also, notice how Dice's results are always revealed after someone else reveals them? Don't y'all call that pocketing or something? Where he follows townies to gain town cred?

 

Oh. OKAY. So y'all coming in and placing half the votes in the game down without consulting anyone is fine? I'm not going to blindly follow who I think is most likely scum, Seph. 

 

Killa wouldn't vote you, Seph. I hope not. Voting you doesn't make sense.

 

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Killa! We have a chance to win this still. Don't give up! 

 

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Dice, you keep saying you hacked and got these replies, but they're after everyone else. i.e. no proof of hacking e.g. all posturing for town cred

 

Dice, I think we lynch you and we get a couple of more days out of this game! 

 

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Seph you can't say you're game solving and then go and blast me for voting on who I think is most likely scum

You didn't give the thread time to consult you on it. :eyeroll:

 

Seph, Dice said he received the same results as Tigs and myself. #pocketingattempt

 

Like, sure, if he didn't get a result one or even two of the nights, but all three? Come on, dude, open your eyes. 

[DPR]

your right dice could have indeed copied tigs reveal, BUT since DICE CLAIMED HIS RESULTS B4 you and nyn that point is moot.

 

 

You been puffin' the chiba again? 

 

What? 

 

You're talking about our TLM results? That she breadcrumbed and that I told you I was going to do last night?

 

And the difference is that we actually got results instead of just another disappointment. 

 

You are blowing my mind with these arguments - all bluster and just trying to confuse people. 

 

LOL at you saying I'm not game solving - you guys got caught planning together, tried to get the cop killed and are pulling off lame role reveals.

 

You got nothing and dice has nothing. Scum,

[ed2funy]

Seph, you keep saying the whole Dice not getting any result all 3 nights thing is totally possible. 

 

But you can't see Tigs not being blocked N2 for strategy? You're not trying to game solve if you're not keeping options open. 

 

Hell, selective RBing sounds more plausible than Dice not getting results 3 Nights in a row.