[Advanced] Fight Club Mafia! - Game Thread!

[DPR]

 

 

 

 

Alright guys, got some running around to do today, Ill be back after a bit to check in as Im in and out!!!

 

Really would like to see some reads/poe's with reasoning for EVERYONE's choices today please!!!!

 

Love to see yours as well! 

 

 

Then try reading my posts, you know its only the post right before this one you quoted that i gave my list....

 

 

 

And nothing from Hallia I see.....

 

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speh/nold/dpr/hallia.

 

esp if Hallia doesnt #putinthework today.

 

I will be voting 2 out of there most likely barring anything crazy happening. 

 

 

Are you talking about this? Because you asked for reasoning...

 

 

Ive explained my issues with you seph and nold and I did have a list posted but fair enough.

 

 

Hallia- Inactivity, pops in and then does nothing.

 

Nolder/Wifi- Stated some of the issues I had with then ie WIfi weird pop in vote on Me and I forget who else but pretty sure it was someone who flipped Town or Tress who i think is very likely to be Town.

 

seph- His progression on BFG is not great, and some of his stances/views/reasoning I dont agree with,.

 

DPR- His early vote, his push on Nolder, the way Darthe treated him.  And since i posted the list his attempt to sell his BS narrative that I was somehow defending Nolder by questioning seph's reasoning for it.

 

This is where Im at till i get a chance to read over everything

 

Your turn.

 

 

Hallia - Too Inactive. Pinging everybody.

 

Nolder - Has focused 99% of his game on me. Just like Darthe did. Fully admits that his case on me is based on meta. Refuses to read the game. Continues to respond to questions in churlish and confusing ways. 

 

Seph - Worked hard against Cuth. Finally voted Darthe. Seems to be coming back to his senses re Nolder.

 

DPR - Evidently is like Wormtongue in Lord of the Rings with unlimited magical powers to cause chaos in towns. Certainly no one to be trifled with. 

 

dice - Playing it cool. I currently have no problem here.

 

Iron - I'm 50/50 here. 

 

ed - Some good observations that I like. Some moving around on positions that I don't like. 

 

Zander - Verdict is still out here. Flailing a bit. Need to see a more narrowed focus and intent.

 

Tress - Claimed Watcher. Nailed Darthe. 

[DPR]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Is dpr this agressive as mafia when it comes to lynching people? He isn't reserved at all here which I kinda like, plus I think the speculation he is doing looks better than worse.

 

I read nolder and don't see any reason not to vote there. Besides meta, tell me why you think dpr is scum nold?

[V]nolder [/v] gang read iron now

 

DPR is aggressive as both alignments imo,

 

Ive played some with him here and on JN,

 

And whats wrong with Meta as a reasoning seph?

 

You damn well know Im a Meta player, and I doubt you'd take issue with me making a Meta read....

 

So why do you have an issue with Nolder using it as a reason?

 

I'M ALIVE

 

FFS Internet.

 

 

>.<

 

Anyone got cliffnotes?  I want to try and stay current.

 

YAY HalliaGOAT <3 <3 <3

 

Looking forward to seeing your catch-up and thoughts!!!!!

 

Tress gave me the cliffnotes, Ill find the post once i catch up from lats night at least!!!!

 

 

 

You're kinda slimy this game. You criticize my D1 vote on Darthe & Sooh as being scummish, but then you defend Nolder's blatant disregard for any other player in the game to go after me based on only meta?

 

Meta is great and all when you have nothing else to go on, or you're developing a hunch. Once you have actual fact-based evidence, meta is far less important. 

 

What are your thoughts regarding my non-meta case on Nolder?

 

 

Im not slimy brother, Im me and Town and Im behind still like 40 or so pages.

 

Where do i DEFEND Nolder?!!?!?!?

 

He's in my PoE for today ffs.....lolololololol

 

 

 

Defend in the sense that you criticize Seph for questioning Nolder's use of meta. How do you act like that's not defending? 

 

Also, PSA:

 

As it stands right now, the game is only 65 pages in total. For all of you that are still "catching up", take 10 minutes & read up. Thx.

 

 

Its not defending I dont think I dont notice trying to manipulate events to fit your narrative,

 

I sussed seph's reasoning for sussing nol, it could have been ANYONE seph was sussing because it was his REASONING that I called him out on, which if you took 1O SECONDS to read my post you'd know that, but instead you try to sell the fact im defending Nol when Ive been sussing that spot since i subbed in.

 

And no, Ive got rl stuff to deal with and Im doing the best i can, I just subbed in yesterday ffs.  

 

Ill get it read when I get it read on my time not yours, Thx

 

 

 

So emotional.

 

Anyway, you are defending the use of meta to build cases and it looks like you are willing to trust meta over actual evidence. 

 

 

I am for better or for worse, its something I try to work on.

 

And yes Im a Meta first player, you know this, youve played enough with me now between here and JN to know what.

 

Also find it funny you didnt address the fact you said I was defending Nolder and I proved otherwise tho,

 

 

 

I know you are a meta player. It's why I spend time trying to work with you and steer you toward the light.

 

My point was always that you support the use of meta over evidence. You criticize Seph's case on Nolder, but you never criticize Nolder's case on me. If you want to consider this a defense of Nolder, you can, but I've been as clear as I can to point out that my issue is with your acceptance of meta as a case element.

 

When you get a free moment, I would genuinely be interested in your thoughts regarding Nol. 

[Ironeyes]

Hey guys. Sorry for disappearing...again... Had a very bad day yesterday and that caused me to become unnecessarily angry at DPR's insult. So I had to take some time away from the game. 

 

 

 

Is dpr this agressive as mafia when it comes to lynching people? He isn't reserved at all here which I kinda like, plus I think the speculation he is doing looks better than worse.

I read nolder and don't see any reason not to vote there. Besides meta, tell me why you think dpr is scum nold?
[V]nolder [/v] gang read iron now

Yes it's exactly how he acts as mafia.

I don't have a reason besides meta.

I recently saw him act this way, without change, as scum 2 or 3 times in a row.

If he isn't scum again then I need a longer hiatus from the game because this is as blatant as it gets imo.

I feel like DPR is being served on a silver platter for me it can't be wrong.

 

Put me in the ring with him I'll stake my life on it.

 

[v]Nolder[/v]

 

Do as you like. Vote DPR and Nolder

[ed2funy]

Oh. My. God. Clov, I hate you. I kept trying to quote your post with the player list on Page 1 using the full version of DM on my phone. As soon as I hit preview post, it would completely mangle up and change the code up and ruin the post and all of my progress.

So I just copied the text and pasted it, but NOPE!

 

Turns out your heart (less than three) next to BFG's name was completely destroying it.

 

This just took up so much of my time. Bah

[Songstress]

 

So here's the thing about me and mafia. It's very much like me and playing pool.

 

I'm not particularly all that good at it (probably because I never took physics), but every so often I pull off a truly impressive shot that makes me look like I know what the hell I'm doing. Sometimes it's even what I intended to accomplish. Those moments are exhilarating and make me love it so much that I'm willing to suffer all the times I scratch, actually miss hitting the cue ball entirely, or utterly fail to separate the balls on the break.

 

N2 was one of my flashes of brilliance. N3 I tried to pull something tricksy assuming the mafia wasn't actually dumb enough to target me, but were observant enough to catch a couple of hints I dropped earlier in the game.

 

N1 I watched BFG, like I mentioned, and I saw Crusher target her. My assumption was that he was a town power role, probably doc, as she was being widely town read and I was wavering between her and Sooh for the most likely to be targeted for the NK. I tossed Crusher in my list of "people I'm not so much interested in voting today" D2, but when BFG called me on it I realized I didn't have any justification for town reading him based on his actual game content, and I didn't want to broadcast my PR that early, so I played it off as "I thought I saw something, but wasn't sure what it meant". Which was actually true.

 

Crusher went inactive D2, and I kept my thoughts on him to myself - DPR's little drop of meta that Crusher tends to bring his "A" game when he's scum gave me enough justification to keep him out of my serious POE for D2 anyway.

 

When I revealed D3 I assumed Crusher's spot was going to stay inactive without a sub and I would be a dead duck. Just in case, at the beginning of N3 I stated my intention to watch myself... and then I started having all these amazing swirling thoughts about who the mafia team could be, and I thought just mayyyyybe one of them might be sharp enough to spot my little D2 Crusher slip. And so when Zander replaced Crusher, instead of watching myself get protected and risking missing the kill, I watched Zander.

 

Saw nothing.

 

So there's my results from N3, and I hang my head in shame for trying to outWIFOM the night kill and assuming the mafia team was eagle eyed enough to spot who I assumed was the doc.

Mafia team could have inactives in it or people who arent eagle eyed so to speak.

 

Dont be upset with you choice my dear.

 

Lets work together to get whats most important....the W for TOWN LDO!!!!!! <3 <3 <3

 

Who do you want to see fight today???

 

Im looking at seph/nolder/dpr atm

 

Thoughts???

 

I just need you to work with as youre the only person I fully trust atp!!!!

I am concerned about whether Hally comes back with content, as you are.

 

Try this tinfoil hat on for size: Darthe/Nolder/DPR mafia team, super sized with WIFOM, now with twice the gambit-y goodness.

 

It kinda sheds an interesting light on D3. In fact, I think I could pull quotes for dayyyyys that look fascinating in that light.

 

Tinfoil-y through and through, but I am tempted to toss Nolder in with DPR regardless.

 

I believe your head is in the right place (on top of your neck, where you left it, ldo). Of the rest of the crowd, I would say I am least confident with Seph and Hallia, then Marsh is in the middle of the pack. Ed kinda made it into my "likely town" pile with his obvious move of obviousness.

[ed2funy]

 

Player Roster!

1. BFG - Marla Singer, Vanilla Town, Killed N2

2. Darthe - A Member of Project Mayhem, Mafia Goon, Lynched D3

3. Sooh - ???, killed N1

4. Ironeyes - Wut? Come back plz, kthx. Can you provide more thoughts on the game? Have you been following along or just come in with a double vote on Noldy and DPR because it's easy?

5. Cuth - Robert Paulson, Vanilla Town, Lynched D2

6. Seph - Still generally suss of you, but some post have gone back and forth.

7. Songstress - Claimed Watcher, comfy with her

8. Nolder (Wildfire Sedai) - Stop fighting with DPR? Why can't we all be friends? Some of your points are valid (DPR is aggressive and pushy but makes some valid points, namely that you should have read the thread. Or even just skimmed it for cursory details).

9. Zander (The Crusher) - generally townie vibe on some posts, but says "lolololol" too much. I'll have to go grab a quote of a post that seemed to lean hard scum for a bit; meant to ask a question I don't think anyone asked you about.

10. DreadPirateRoberts - Agressive while making some good points, generally trolling. If he flips scum, he was either recruited or the whole recruiting theory comes into question. #WIFOM

11. Dicetosser1. - honestly Null read; I can't recall his posts right now... Dice, you don't stand out.

12. Hallia - Where you at, doe?

13, Ed2funy - General Townie ruffian DPR wants to sleep with irl (uncertain/unclaimed PR)

 

D1 fight: DreadPirateRoberts vs. Cuth

EoD1: No lynch

EoN1: Sooh burned alive. Sort of.

D2 fight: Cuth vs Darthe

EoD2: Cuth loses.

EoN2: BFG dies. Clov curses site rules for appropriate posts. 10 year olds.

D3 fight: Darthe vs DreadPirateRoberts

EoD3: Darthe loses.

I'd rather not vote Noldy and DPR just because they're the two loudest, most annoying ones atm. Would rather have more input, especially from the quiet people. And I need to reread some things if I can while at work.

[ed2funy]

Lol, I switched back to mobile version and clicked one of the images in my last post. And got confused thinking I was on the full version somehow.

[Hallia]

 

So here's the thing about me and mafia.  It's very much like me and playing pool.

 

I'm not particularly all that good at it (probably because I never took physics), but every so often I pull off a truly impressive shot that makes me look like I know what the hell I'm doing.  Sometimes it's even what I intended to accomplish.  Those moments are exhilarating and make me love it so much that I'm willing to suffer all the times I scratch, actually miss hitting the cue ball entirely, or utterly fail to separate the balls on the break.  

 

N2 was one of my flashes of brilliance.  N3 I tried to pull something tricksy assuming the mafia wasn't actually dumb enough to target me, but were observant enough to catch a couple of hints I dropped earlier in the game.

 

N1 I watched BFG, like I mentioned, and I saw Crusher target her.  My assumption was that he was a town power role, probably doc, as she was being widely town read and I was wavering between her and Sooh for the most likely to be targeted for the NK.  I tossed Crusher in my list of "people I'm not so much interested in voting today" D2, but when BFG called me on it I realized I didn't have any justification for town reading him based on his actual game content, and I didn't want to broadcast my PR that early, so I played it off as "I thought I saw something, but wasn't sure what it meant".  Which was actually true.

 

Crusher went inactive D2, and I kept my thoughts on him to myself - DPR's little drop of meta that Crusher tends to bring his "A" game when he's scum gave me enough justification to keep him out of my serious POE for D2 anyway.  

 

When I revealed D3 I assumed Crusher's spot was going to stay inactive without a sub and I would be a dead duck.  Just in case, at the beginning of N3 I stated my intention to watch myself... and then I started having all these amazing swirling thoughts about who the mafia team could be, and I thought just mayyyyybe one of them might be sharp enough to spot my little D2 Crusher slip.  And so when Zander replaced Crusher, instead of watching myself get protected and risking missing the kill, I watched Zander.

 

Saw nothing.

 

So there's my results from N3, and I hang my head in shame for trying to outWIFOM the night kill and assuming the mafia team was eagle eyed enough to spot who I assumed was the doc.

 

Mafia team could have inactives in it or people who arent eagle eyed so to speak.

 

Dont be upset with you choice my dear.

 

Lets work together to get whats most important....the W for TOWN LDO!!!!!! <3 <3 <3

 

Who do you want to see fight today???

 

Im looking at seph/nolder/dpr atm

 

Thoughts???

 

I just need you to work with as youre the only person I fully trust atp!!!!

 

Zander!!!! I'm so glad to see you in game!  I really love your attitude, par for course on TownLeaderZander

 

 

 

Is dpr this agressive as mafia when it comes to lynching people? He isn't reserved at all here which I kinda like, plus I think the speculation he is doing looks better than worse.

 

I read nolder and don't see any reason not to vote there. Besides meta, tell me why you think dpr is scum nold?

[V]nolder [/v] gang read iron now

Yes it's exactly how he acts as mafia.

I don't have a reason besides meta.

I recently saw him act this way, without change, as scum 2 or 3 times in a row.

If he isn't scum again then I need a longer hiatus from the game because this is as blatant as it gets imo.

I feel like DPR is being served on a silver platter for me it can't be wrong.

 

Put me in the ring with him I'll stake my life on it.

 

[v]Nolder[/v]

 

 

FML

 

Another Nolder self vote...

 

Im almost willing to give you your wish Nol atp.

 

I was right there with you

 

 

 

 

Is dpr this agressive as mafia when it comes to lynching people? He isn't reserved at all here which I kinda like, plus I think the speculation he is doing looks better than worse.

 

I read nolder and don't see any reason not to vote there. Besides meta, tell me why you think dpr is scum nold?

[V]nolder [/v] gang read iron now

Yes it's exactly how he acts as mafia.

I don't have a reason besides meta.

I recently saw him act this way, without change, as scum 2 or 3 times in a row.

If he isn't scum again then I need a longer hiatus from the game because this is as blatant as it gets imo.

I feel like DPR is being served on a silver platter for me it can't be wrong.

 

Put me in the ring with him I'll stake my life on it.

 

[v]Nolder[/v]

 

 

FML

 

Another Nolder self vote...

 

Im almost willing to give you your wish Nol atp.

 

Can you reeeally call it a self vote though? This isn't a normal game.

I am willing to go toe to toe with the damn dirty pirate.

 

Errrr, what?  But since it was DPR and Darthe in, wouldn't that mean that DPR is likely town?

 

So in catch up, I feel best about

 

Tresss, Zander, DPR

[ed2funy]

DPR - Evidently is like Wormtongue in Lord of the Rings with unlimited magical powers to cause chaos in towns. Certainly no one to be trifled with.

STAAAAAAHHHPPPP!!!

 

ed - [...] I like.

[DPR]

Hey guys. Sorry for disappearing...again... Had a very bad day yesterday and that caused me to become unnecessarily angry at DPR's insult. So I had to take some time away from the game. 

 

 

 

Is dpr this agressive as mafia when it comes to lynching people? He isn't reserved at all here which I kinda like, plus I think the speculation he is doing looks better than worse.

 

I read nolder and don't see any reason not to vote there. Besides meta, tell me why you think dpr is scum nold?

[V]nolder [/v] gang read iron now

Yes it's exactly how he acts as mafia.

I don't have a reason besides meta.

I recently saw him act this way, without change, as scum 2 or 3 times in a row.

If he isn't scum again then I need a longer hiatus from the game because this is as blatant as it gets imo.

I feel like DPR is being served on a silver platter for me it can't be wrong.

 

Put me in the ring with him I'll stake my life on it.

 

[v]Nolder[/v]

 

Do as you like. Vote DPR and Nolder

 

 

Sheesh Iron, you realize it was just a joke, right? 

[Ironeyes]

Today, yes. Yesterday, no. I was in a nasty mood. 

[Ironeyes]

 

 

4. Ironeyes - Wut? Come back plz, kthx. Can you provide more thoughts on the game? Have you been following along or just come in with a double vote on Noldy and DPR because it's easy?

 

I'm following, mostly. Basically this is the game as I understand it: Tress, Ed, Zander PRs of some sort, lock town. Nolder and DPR in a knock-down-drag-out, Seph partially involved. Hallia coming back with stuff to say, Dice basically exactly how he's been since day one, generally towny but not a strong force in the game. 

 

So my WTL list consists of DPR, Nol, Seph, and Halli, in about that order. Since DPR and Nol clearly want to duke it out it made perfect sense to me to let them have tonight's fight. 

[DPR]

 

 

So here's the thing about me and mafia. It's very much like me and playing pool.

 

I'm not particularly all that good at it (probably because I never took physics), but every so often I pull off a truly impressive shot that makes me look like I know what the hell I'm doing. Sometimes it's even what I intended to accomplish. Those moments are exhilarating and make me love it so much that I'm willing to suffer all the times I scratch, actually miss hitting the cue ball entirely, or utterly fail to separate the balls on the break.

 

N2 was one of my flashes of brilliance. N3 I tried to pull something tricksy assuming the mafia wasn't actually dumb enough to target me, but were observant enough to catch a couple of hints I dropped earlier in the game.

 

N1 I watched BFG, like I mentioned, and I saw Crusher target her. My assumption was that he was a town power role, probably doc, as she was being widely town read and I was wavering between her and Sooh for the most likely to be targeted for the NK. I tossed Crusher in my list of "people I'm not so much interested in voting today" D2, but when BFG called me on it I realized I didn't have any justification for town reading him based on his actual game content, and I didn't want to broadcast my PR that early, so I played it off as "I thought I saw something, but wasn't sure what it meant". Which was actually true.

 

Crusher went inactive D2, and I kept my thoughts on him to myself - DPR's little drop of meta that Crusher tends to bring his "A" game when he's scum gave me enough justification to keep him out of my serious POE for D2 anyway.

 

When I revealed D3 I assumed Crusher's spot was going to stay inactive without a sub and I would be a dead duck. Just in case, at the beginning of N3 I stated my intention to watch myself... and then I started having all these amazing swirling thoughts about who the mafia team could be, and I thought just mayyyyybe one of them might be sharp enough to spot my little D2 Crusher slip. And so when Zander replaced Crusher, instead of watching myself get protected and risking missing the kill, I watched Zander.

 

Saw nothing.

 

So there's my results from N3, and I hang my head in shame for trying to outWIFOM the night kill and assuming the mafia team was eagle eyed enough to spot who I assumed was the doc.

Mafia team could have inactives in it or people who arent eagle eyed so to speak.

 

Dont be upset with you choice my dear.

 

Lets work together to get whats most important....the W for TOWN LDO!!!!!! <3 <3 <3

 

Who do you want to see fight today???

 

Im looking at seph/nolder/dpr atm

 

Thoughts???

 

I just need you to work with as youre the only person I fully trust atp!!!!

I am concerned about whether Hally comes back with content, as you are.

 

Try this tinfoil hat on for size: Darthe/Nolder/DPR mafia team, super sized with WIFOM, now with twice the gambit-y goodness.

 

It kinda sheds an interesting light on D3. In fact, I think I could pull quotes for dayyyyys that look fascinating in that light.

 

Tinfoil-y through and through, but I am tempted to toss Nolder in with DPR regardless.

 

I believe your head is in the right place (on top of your neck, where you left it, ldo). Of the rest of the crowd, I would say I am least confident with Seph and Hallia, then Marsh is in the middle of the pack. Ed kinda made it into my "likely town" pile with his obvious move of obviousness.

 

 

So, you've been leading up to this for a while. You teased it... built it up... and here it is. I do find it somewhat ironic that you state "I could pull quotes for dayyyyyyys that look fascinating in that light" after you asked me for links to recruit games, but whatevs.

 

Ima put this plain: the idea here is to not outsmart ourselves - it's why meta isn't that great of a tool as you get closer to endgame. 

 

Me? I like evidence. Evidence like Wifi's stumble, or Nolder's vote on me instead of Darthe, or him being unnecessarily difficult to deal with in general (won't read, dodgy answers to questions, complainy, etc). 

 

I've already thrown my recruit theory out there and that was in case anyone did a 180 turn in logic - gotta keep that stuff in mind.

 

My #1 for scum is Nolder. I'll pick someone else out before deadline, but I'm still waiting/watching. I'll be disappointed - not overly surprised, but disappointed if another gambit consipiracy takes off. Truth is, this game took wayyy too long to lynch Darthe. I was for that lynch from D1 and voted there. There wouldn't have even been time to gambit had we done that... just sayin'.

[Ironeyes]

[V] iron [/v]

I think early on I tried to look at his back and fourth with cuth with a different light. Tbh re reading it I still dislike it and I probably should have pushed the issue more, instead I kind of just gave him a out so to speak.

 

At the moment I'm having a hard time looking past voting these 2.

It'd be nice if you could explain this a little further. 

[DPR]

Today, yes. Yesterday, no. I was in a nasty mood. 

 

Long as we straight.

[Ironeyes]

 

 

My #1 for scum is Nolder. I'll pick someone else out before deadline, but I'm still waiting/watching. I'll be disappointed - not overly surprised, but disappointed if another gambit consipiracy takes off. Truth is, this game took wayyy too long to lynch Darthe. I was for that lynch from D1 and voted there. There wouldn't have even been time to gambit had we done that... just sayin'.

That's actually a pretty solid line of logic. The Kivam-style gambit has gotten to be legendary on DM, which makes it hard to pull off since everyone knows how it works. 

[DPR]

 

 

 

4. Ironeyes - Wut? Come back plz, kthx. Can you provide more thoughts on the game? Have you been following along or just come in with a double vote on Noldy and DPR because it's easy?

 

I'm following, mostly. Basically this is the game as I understand it: Tress, Ed, Zander PRs of some sort, lock town. Nolder and DPR in a knock-down-drag-out, Seph partially involved. Hallia coming back with stuff to say, Dice basically exactly how he's been since day one, generally towny but not a strong force in the game. 

 

So my WTL list consists of DPR, Nol, Seph, and Halli, in about that order. Since DPR and Nol clearly want to duke it out it made perfect sense to me to let them have tonight's fight. 

 

 

Honestly, I've said all I can about Nolder - that case has been presented, so if you're looking for fireworks, Ima disappoint. 

[Ironeyes]

 

 

 

 

4. Ironeyes - Wut? Come back plz, kthx. Can you provide more thoughts on the game? Have you been following along or just come in with a double vote on Noldy and DPR because it's easy?

 

I'm following, mostly. Basically this is the game as I understand it: Tress, Ed, Zander PRs of some sort, lock town. Nolder and DPR in a knock-down-drag-out, Seph partially involved. Hallia coming back with stuff to say, Dice basically exactly how he's been since day one, generally towny but not a strong force in the game. 

 

So my WTL list consists of DPR, Nol, Seph, and Halli, in about that order. Since DPR and Nol clearly want to duke it out it made perfect sense to me to let them have tonight's fight. 

 

 

Honestly, I've said all I can about Nolder - that case has been presented, so if you're looking for fireworks, Ima disappoint. 

 

 

I guess so. But that's what we were all thinking about the Darthe/Cuth fight, and that didn't go as expected at all. Matter of fact, the only fight that's been boring so far was last night, and that's entirely because Tress had a guilty result on Darthe, so that basically invalidated all argument. The rest have brought out interesting new arguments

[DPR]

 

 

 

 

 

4. Ironeyes - Wut? Come back plz, kthx. Can you provide more thoughts on the game? Have you been following along or just come in with a double vote on Noldy and DPR because it's easy?

 

I'm following, mostly. Basically this is the game as I understand it: Tress, Ed, Zander PRs of some sort, lock town. Nolder and DPR in a knock-down-drag-out, Seph partially involved. Hallia coming back with stuff to say, Dice basically exactly how he's been since day one, generally towny but not a strong force in the game. 

 

So my WTL list consists of DPR, Nol, Seph, and Halli, in about that order. Since DPR and Nol clearly want to duke it out it made perfect sense to me to let them have tonight's fight. 

 

 

Honestly, I've said all I can about Nolder - that case has been presented, so if you're looking for fireworks, Ima disappoint. 

 

 

I guess so. But that's what we were all thinking about the Darthe/Cuth fight, and that didn't go as expected at all. Matter of fact, the only fight that's been boring so far was last night, and that's entirely because Tress had a guilty result on Darthe, so that basically invalidated all argument. The rest have brought out interesting new arguments

 

 

 

Welp, you'll be depending on Nolder for them. I'm still VT and there's nothing to really add to what I've said.

 

So basically, your looking at 24 hours of Nol expressing his innermost secret feelings about how I'm scum. I may get another sig out of it, true, but I figure we might want to consider putting someone else in the spotlight for the sake of info, no? My dead horse has been beaten so hard, Tress is pulling out the gambit on me...

 

But, do what you gotta do. I'll entertain as I am able. 

[Ironeyes]

 

 

So here's the thing about me and mafia. It's very much like me and playing pool.

 

I'm not particularly all that good at it (probably because I never took physics), but every so often I pull off a truly impressive shot that makes me look like I know what the hell I'm doing. Sometimes it's even what I intended to accomplish. Those moments are exhilarating and make me love it so much that I'm willing to suffer all the times I scratch, actually miss hitting the cue ball entirely, or utterly fail to separate the balls on the break.

 

N2 was one of my flashes of brilliance. N3 I tried to pull something tricksy assuming the mafia wasn't actually dumb enough to target me, but were observant enough to catch a couple of hints I dropped earlier in the game.

 

N1 I watched BFG, like I mentioned, and I saw Crusher target her. My assumption was that he was a town power role, probably doc, as she was being widely town read and I was wavering between her and Sooh for the most likely to be targeted for the NK. I tossed Crusher in my list of "people I'm not so much interested in voting today" D2, but when BFG called me on it I realized I didn't have any justification for town reading him based on his actual game content, and I didn't want to broadcast my PR that early, so I played it off as "I thought I saw something, but wasn't sure what it meant". Which was actually true.

 

Crusher went inactive D2, and I kept my thoughts on him to myself - DPR's little drop of meta that Crusher tends to bring his "A" game when he's scum gave me enough justification to keep him out of my serious POE for D2 anyway.

 

When I revealed D3 I assumed Crusher's spot was going to stay inactive without a sub and I would be a dead duck. Just in case, at the beginning of N3 I stated my intention to watch myself... and then I started having all these amazing swirling thoughts about who the mafia team could be, and I thought just mayyyyybe one of them might be sharp enough to spot my little D2 Crusher slip. And so when Zander replaced Crusher, instead of watching myself get protected and risking missing the kill, I watched Zander.

 

Saw nothing.

 

So there's my results from N3, and I hang my head in shame for trying to outWIFOM the night kill and assuming the mafia team was eagle eyed enough to spot who I assumed was the doc.

Mafia team could have inactives in it or people who arent eagle eyed so to speak.

 

Dont be upset with you choice my dear.

 

Lets work together to get whats most important....the W for TOWN LDO!!!!!! <3 <3 <3

 

Who do you want to see fight today???

 

Im looking at seph/nolder/dpr atm

 

Thoughts???

 

I just need you to work with as youre the only person I fully trust atp!!!!

I am concerned about whether Hally comes back with content, as you are.

 

Try this tinfoil hat on for size: Darthe/Nolder/DPR mafia team, super sized with WIFOM, now with twice the gambit-y goodness.

 

It kinda sheds an interesting light on D3. In fact, I think I could pull quotes for dayyyyys that look fascinating in that light.

 

Tinfoil-y through and through, but I am tempted to toss Nolder in with DPR regardless.

 

I believe your head is in the right place (on top of your neck, where you left it, ldo). Of the rest of the crowd, I would say I am least confident with Seph and Hallia, then Marsh is in the middle of the pack. Ed kinda made it into my "likely town" pile with his obvious move of obviousness.

 

Do you really think a power team of scum like that would turn on each other this completely thought? The three of them are talented enough to have this game in the bag without a massive gambit

[Ironeyes]

 

 

 

Welp, you'll be depending on Nolder for them. I'm still VT and there's nothing to really add to what I've said.

 

So basically, your looking at 24 hours of Nol expressing his innermost secret feelings about how I'm scum. I may get another sig out of it, true, but I figure we might want to consider putting someone else in the spotlight for the sake of info, no? My dead horse has been beaten so hard, Tress is pulling out the gambit on me...

 

But, do what you gotta do. I'll entertain as I am able. 

Depending on how the rest of the day goes I'd be willing to change one my votes to another member of my WTL list. It's up in the air though, with twelve hours left of the phase

[Ironeyes]

Darn DM keeps losing my cursor somehow when I have a quote in the reply box. This is annoying.

[DPR]

 

 

 

Welp, you'll be depending on Nolder for them. I'm still VT and there's nothing to really add to what I've said.

 

So basically, your looking at 24 hours of Nol expressing his innermost secret feelings about how I'm scum. I may get another sig out of it, true, but I figure we might want to consider putting someone else in the spotlight for the sake of info, no? My dead horse has been beaten so hard, Tress is pulling out the gambit on me...

 

But, do what you gotta do. I'll entertain as I am able. 

Depending on how the rest of the day goes I'd be willing to change one my votes to another member of my WTL list. It's up in the air though, with twelve hours left of the phase

 

 

 

Yup. I'm not sure who else to put in either. Need to hear some chatter from the peeps.

[Songstress]

So, you've been leading up to this for a while. You teased it... built it up... and here it is. I do find it somewhat ironic that you state "I could pull quotes for dayyyyyyys that look fascinating in that light" after you asked me for links to recruit games, but whatevs.

 

Ima put this plain: the idea here is to not outsmart ourselves - it's why meta isn't that great of a tool as you get closer to endgame. 

 

Me? I like evidence. Evidence like Wifi's stumble, or Nolder's vote on me instead of Darthe, or him being unnecessarily difficult to deal with in general (won't read, dodgy answers to questions, complainy, etc). 

 

I've already thrown my recruit theory out there and that was in case anyone did a 180 turn in logic - gotta keep that stuff in mind.

 

My #1 for scum is Nolder. I'll pick someone else out before deadline, but I'm still waiting/watching. I'll be disappointed - not overly surprised, but disappointed if another gambit consipiracy takes off. Truth is, this game took wayyy too long to lynch Darthe. I was for that lynch from D1 and voted there. There wouldn't have even been time to gambit had we done that... just sayin'.

So, I thought of my tinfoil hat theory during night phase while trying to figure out why the hell Nolder would be acting the way he is.  And I wanted to wait to see if I found out anything more before floating my thoughts in thread.  And I wanted to see what the people I wasn't so sure of came up with to see if a different theory made more sense.  But you guys both keep going with things that ping me, and so I decided to toss it out there to see what the peanut gallery made of it.

 

As for quotes, I was actually still lying in bed with a purring kitty that didn't want to let me get up when I posted the above, but hey, if you want quotes, I'll bury you in 'em in the 45 minutes I have before I have to get ready for work.  

 

You, however, WIFOM a recruitment because oh hey, it's a standard setup for "this type of game".  I've seen mafia teams start out with fewer members and have a 1x recruit before, but I can't think of a single example of that being due to a specific mechanic that might potentially favor mafia more.  So I asked, and apparently you either can't think of any games where this standard setup was implemented, or you aren't willing to think about it and we should just trust that you know best.  

 

I'm trying not to out-think myself here, as I said earlier and have proven lots of times already I'm not all that great at this game.  You like evidence, you say, but you also like theories that you throw out there without evidence, as long as you're the one proposing them (see your recruit theory).  Hey, next thing you're going to be using your recruit theory to propose that I was the one recruited last night because clearly mafia wouldn't be dumb enough to shoot me, and since I've changed my mind about you being likely town because of Darthe's push D3, I must now be mafia out to get you, right?  

 

Here, I'll humor you.  I'm down to 30 minutes, but I'll provide quotes.

[Hallia]

Unless I'm missing something, I don't see why DPR is being considered