[Advanced] Old West Mischief Mafia - Town Wins!

[WolfbrotherKronos]

DPR would you say then that between Kizzy and Eldrick there would be a scum - or both - based on that suicide vote.

[DPR]

Which has been the core of my arguments against Kizzy today - not to be confused with all of my arguments and the vote train against Kizzy yesterday.

 

But Seph says she's cool, so everyone is going with that.

 

Seriously, you gotta read up.

[MrsClov]

Which has been the core of my arguments against Kizzy today - not to be confused with all of my arguments and the vote train against Kizzy yesterday.

 

But Seph says she's cool, so everyone is going with that.

 

Seriously, you gotta read up.

 

We're back at this really? The theory you proposed is way too complicated to work and would have been a gamble at best. Liz and I are town and I'm sorry that you refuse to see it.

[WolfbrotherKronos]

I would agree on the complicated part of MrsClov's assessment - all the pieces would have to fit together exactly right for that to work out any deviance from that and it doesn't work. I'm not sure we have enough information for that.

[The Crusher]

Folks, I don't know how to be more clear about this:

 

NB changed his vote to bring his own train up to even with Kizzy's.

 

NB was scum. He gave himself up for Kizzy.

 

Seph played a vital role in all of this by defending Kizzy and yolo voting for NB, despite his just having cased Eldrick.

 

It's a simple connection between NB - Kizzy - Seph.

 

Kizzy is obviously the nexus that had to be preserved.

 

This is all fact, carved in stone. 

 

Why we are even talking about anything else is beyond me.

 

This is a very interesting point. Makes all the power roles scum vs mafia goon talk shine like a million neon lights. I know. I know. Everything is L E D. But Crushlove brings it old school.

[DPR]

 

Official Vote Count:

 

Darthe Wade (1): Cass

 

Miss Kizzy Clov (5): Dice, Darthe, DPR, Crusher, Tiinker

 

NotBob Cassidy (5): Cuth, Miss Kizzy Clov, Sooh, Eldrick, seph

 

Eldrick the Kid (3): Hallia, WiFi, Not Bob

 

Not Voting: Spoof, Kronos

 

With 16 alive it takes 9 to string em up!

 

Deadline for D1 is Tuesday, 2/14/17 at 9:00 AM MST  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

bam boom bam boom

 

thanks everyone

 

we got lucky

We did not. He was an easy pick and all three on the block are good candidates still.

Did you sus him before the wagon built up on him? Because I don't recall that ever.

 

And I was reading Darthe as stubborn town, but Eldrick's observation of his past behaviour as scum and the fact that he moved over to a new wagon despite the fact that he claims to still believe my/Mrsclov's slot to be scum doesn't make any sense.

 

If he thought both leading wagons were scum, and we were supposedly his strongest (practically only) scum reads all day (and we know that he likes to be right) and there was no danger of any other competing wagon....why not keep his vote on us since it shouldn't matter to him which one of us flipped?

I'm trying to follow your train of thought here, with the knowledge that NotBob is scum. If Darthe was scum, he would obviously care.

 

Town=he thought. Scum= he knew

 

This makes sense from town!Darthe pov but not scum!darthe

 

 

Looking over the posts from the night phase and this stands out to me - Eldrick seems anti-Darthe most of the time, but this one seems to point to him leaning a different way.  Eldrick seems to be flipping a lot to me and it's why I think he's mafia.  

 

Also Cuth's reveal at night seemed really odd as well.

 

 

 

Cuth's reveal...

 

Seph's threat to kill me...

 

Eldrick's bizarre comment about night actions...

 

And no one last night brought up NB's suicide vote.

 

And it's like pulling teeth to get anyone to talk about any of it today.

 

 

 

Alright, I'll humor you for a bit. The above Vote count was right after he voted for Eldrick, which made NB and me/liz tied and put Eldrick at four.  Liz and I's lynch had been stalling quite a bit. I'm going to guess he saw it stalling out and tried to get votes on Eldrick since people had tossed his name around a bit as potential scum.

 

 

I see it different. The Eldrick vote was cold stalled. You (Kizzy hydra) were up against a pending deadline and if a move wasn't made, you were going to get lynched. 

 

So, Seph lays out a solid case on Eldrick, but then yolo votes for NB (which brought NB to 5) and NB made an otherwise inexplicable move to Eldrick. 

 

The tie of 5 votes between you and NB was established, giving you at least a 50/50 shot of living.

 

Then, because of random timing (in my opinion) Crusher came in and rightly voted NB. Subsequent votes followed, pulling him to 8.

 

But there was no guarantee that any of those last few votes would be made - they were all made by players who don't have set schedules.

 

That's why Seph and NB moving like they did stood out so much.

[DPR]

DPR would you say then that between Kizzy and Eldrick there would be a scum - or both - based on that suicide vote.

 

They both made scummish moves yesterday. 

 

Statistically, I'm not even going to begin and suggest that we have Seph, Kizzy and Eldrick figured out FTW. Hell, half the game isn't even playing...

 

But Kizzy has attracted the most negative attention of everyone and I'm not going to ignore smoke either.

[WolfbrotherKronos]

Anyways - busy day with P/T Conferences today - so I have to go run some errands.  I'll be back later though.  

[Darthe]

He might be a little lavish at doing so, but he's put a significant amount of work into legitimate scum hunting. He's not relying on tone and meta - he is instead questioning motives and pretty solidly sticks to them. It screams town to me.

Good eye

[Darthe]

 

 

 

But what do you think of the fact that cuth and seph were basically responsible for NB getting lynched? If in your scenario Darthe is town, why not flip the lynch onto him isntead of a teammate who was basically flying under the radar up until then?

 

And you've been at perc? What's your username there?

 

1. I think that was already mentioned: He was low on the totem pole and they were looking for deep wolf equity. Darthe likes to bus don't know about the rest of you.

 

2. no I haven't been at perc....don't even know what perc is??

1. No, you're missing the point wifi.

 

I know you said you don't understanding wagonomics, but this is what I'm saying.

 

Cuth was probably the first person to get all riled up about the infamous post 309. He's the one who started saying there is no way that post could come from town. Actually, when you look at the vote count, he put his vote on us at #300, before that post was even made.

 

Eldrick was on us even earlier. First at 93 and then again at 424.

 

Seph was on us from 277. Again, long before the infamous post 309.

 

So what you're saying is that our 3 team mates built a wagon on us over nothing. But if we're so important to the team, why would they do that.

 

But add in this fact. Cuth unovtes us at 436. Seph and Eldrick followed after that. But then crusher tinker and notbob rebuild the wagon.

 

Now, notbob did not focus on pretty much anyone else but us (and to a lesser extent eldrick) all day long. He had no other real suspects at all, unless you count his first vote on Darthe, which darthe said he would do before he did it.

 

What kind of dumbass scum team focuses only on it's team mates for a whole damn game? That would be ridiculous.

 

There is one mafia team member who's identity we know for sure. That's NotBob.

 

We know that instead of seekign other candidates (dice woudl have been a good one, darthe would have been even better) our scum team decided to bus each other for an entire day adn then build a wagon on another member at the end of the day with no effort to find other targets?

 

That's dumb.

 

But now look at what happened with Darthe.

 

Darthe does not sus NB at all for a whole day. All day he's claiming that mrsclov/me are scum and his backup is eldrick.

 

But what does he do when he sees a build up on NB?

 

Does he say, lolguys go ahead. Doesn't matter who gets lynched because i thin they're all town, but I'm most sure of lizzy/clov who I've insisted all day will flip scum?

 

No. He does not. First he preps and says "oh, i might vote over there"

 

Then he says "okay, i'll vote over there"

 

Then after nb flips scum he says "but lizzyclov is still scum. let's lynch them!"

 

But then when I ask him what made him jump off our lynch in the first place, he says that he started to think we should have a chance to prove ourselves.

 

Except that's not true. Because immediately after the flip he says that we're scum for sure and need to be lynched.

 

does that make sense?

 

If someone's going to bus a team mate, does it make sense for them to bus one team mate all day and then bus the other one at the end of the day?

 

Or does it make more sense for someone to bus a team mate when that team mate's wagon is building steam at the end of the day so they can appear like they had town's interests at heart?

 

Except that darthe didn't even remember to pretend to have town's interest at heart, because he didn't vote NB to save a town read or even a null read. His statements after the flip said that he was voting a supposedly weaker scum read over his strongest scum read.

 

He can't have it both ways.

You sure do talk a lot for someone with so little to say.

[Darthe]

 

 

 

 

But what do you think of the fact that cuth and seph were basically responsible for NB getting lynched? If in your scenario Darthe is town, why not flip the lynch onto him isntead of a teammate who was basically flying under the radar up until then?

 

And you've been at perc? What's your username there?

 

1. I think that was already mentioned: He was low on the totem pole and they were looking for deep wolf equity. Darthe likes to bus don't know about the rest of you.

 

2. no I haven't been at perc....don't even know what perc is??

1. No, you're missing the point wifi.

 

I know you said you don't understanding wagonomics, but this is what I'm saying.

 

Cuth was probably the first person to get all riled up about the infamous post 309. He's the one who started saying there is no way that post could come from town. Actually, when you look at the vote count, he put his vote on us at #300, before that post was even made.

 

Eldrick was on us even earlier. First at 93 and then again at 424.

 

Seph was on us from 277. Again, long before the infamous post 309.

 

So what you're saying is that our 3 team mates built a wagon on us over nothing. But if we're so important to the team, why would they do that.

 

But add in this fact. Cuth unovtes us at 436. Seph and Eldrick followed after that. But then crusher tinker and notbob rebuild the wagon.

 

Now, notbob did not focus on pretty much anyone else but us (and to a lesser extent eldrick) all day long. He had no other real suspects at all, unless you count his first vote on Darthe, which darthe said he would do before he did it.

 

What kind of dumbass scum team focuses only on it's team mates for a whole damn game? That would be ridiculous.

 

There is one mafia team member who's identity we know for sure. That's NotBob.

 

We know that instead of seekign other candidates (dice woudl have been a good one, darthe would have been even better) our scum team decided to bus each other for an entire day adn then build a wagon on another member at the end of the day with no effort to find other targets?

 

That's dumb.

 

But now look at what happened with Darthe.

 

Darthe does not sus NB at all for a whole day. All day he's claiming that mrsclov/me are scum and his backup is eldrick.

 

But what does he do when he sees a build up on NB?

 

Does he say, lolguys go ahead. Doesn't matter who gets lynched because i thin they're all town, but I'm most sure of lizzy/clov who I've insisted all day will flip scum?

 

No. He does not. First he preps and says "oh, i might vote over there"

 

Then he says "okay, i'll vote over there"

 

Then after nb flips scum he says "but lizzyclov is still scum. let's lynch them!"

 

But then when I ask him what made him jump off our lynch in the first place, he says that he started to think we should have a chance to prove ourselves.

 

Except that's not true. Because immediately after the flip he says that we're scum for sure and need to be lynched.

 

does that make sense?

 

If someone's going to bus a team mate, does it make sense for them to bus one team mate all day and then bus the other one at the end of the day?

 

Or does it make more sense for someone to bus a team mate when that team mate's wagon is building steam at the end of the day so they can appear like they had town's interests at heart?

 

Except that darthe didn't even remember to pretend to have town's interest at heart, because he didn't vote NB to save a town read or even a null read. His statements after the flip said that he was voting a supposedly weaker scum read over his strongest scum read.

 

He can't have it both ways.

Okay, I get what you're saying but let me tell you a little bit about darthe:

 

I was scum with him and notbob. we skated to like d3 i think, then we got suss'd. Both me and a townie were neck and neck. Darthe tells me to go vote for anyone BUT the townie and them of course. So I did. votes came off me like wildfire.... anyway the next day it was me and nb. darthe said I had to go..so him and nb sacrificed me.

 

yes I know that is totally different than being day 1 but iirc and I'm sure darthe will correct me if I am wrong in my last game with him when he was scum with hallia I believe he pushed her as an early lynch as well....I could be wrong but I don't think so cause he was deep wolf....maybe hallia will remember but she's being really quiet this game also...wondering if it is her scum game, also....

 

with hallia when she is town....she points stuff out and asks a lot of questions almost right from the get go....here she has been somewhat subdued...but that could be rl too....hallia????

So the essence of what you're saying is that liz's entire case is based on me being a retard, and you dont think im retarded.

 

 

...

 

 

Thank you. That was very insightful. I actually agree, but I dont think that liz yet gets that my condescention towards her isnt bravado. Its pride at a truth im wagging in front of her for wasting so much time. Im cruel like that.

[The Crusher]

  

i think we can take a step back from the dpr darthe thing for a couple hours

 

one of them is pretty clearly town, just have to figure out which that is :)

 

unhelpful place to be locked in given there are other scums we can find as well and nobody's being super actively counterproductive

What in heavens name does any of this mean? This is illogical and screams " look I'm contributing stuff." Wow. Ignore DPR and Darthe for a couple hours because one is certainly town and one is scum but not sure who is who? Correct me but isn't that basically how all mafia starts? How is it not helpful to not lock in? If one is certainly town making the other scum then lynch both back to back. I take one for one scum to town any day. Cause math is power and stuff. Instead you are voting for somebody else? Are you really not sure about either Darthe or DPR being scum or are you so sure Tinker is scum you can wait on one of those two? I'm baffled by this.

[The Crusher]

Okay, caught up.

 

[v]Tinker[/v]

Another person declaring others scum then plops a vote on Tinker. I almost forgot he is even playing. Shoot I'm bout ready to forget all we gained in info and just vote Spoof. Just cause and stuff. Inactive. I miss the good old days at JN where I was comfortably numb.

[Cuth]

Okay, caught up.

 

[v]Tinker[/v]

i missed the progression

 

was there progression, other people

 

i saw "darthe is almost certainly scum" and then "vote:tinker"

[The Crusher]

@Eldrick did you ever get any more information on what decision you had to make last night?

I missed whatever Edeick said to start this . I saw this talk later and I still have no idea how it started. Like a chain letter.

[DPR]

Tinker is the piñata du jour.

[DPR]

 

@Eldrick did you ever get any more information on what decision you had to make last night?

I missed whatever Edeick said to start this . I saw this talk later and I still have no idea how it started. Like a chain letter.

 

 

It's a beauty - hold on...

[DPR]

Here we go - get a load of this:

 

Ok. Had to wait for mod conformation about if I could even talk about it.

Last night, presumably at the beginning of night phase, I was to make a choice. I can't go into specifics because of mod communication and whatnot, but suffice to say I'm worried about the result of the choice.

Due to the obscure nature of the question, it feels like depending on what I picked, one of us will die. If there's a doc, and they have nothing better to do, I would like protection. I don't trust the outcome of this role, whatever it's doing.

If it's result is a kill, I would like to thwart it. It does not feel like a town ability.

[DPR]

Role fishing at it's worst?

[Cuth]

  

i think we can take a step back from the dpr darthe thing for a couple hours

 

one of them is pretty clearly town, just have to figure out which that is :)

 

unhelpful place to be locked in given there are other scums we can find as well and nobody's being super actively counterproductive

What in heavens name does any of this mean? This is illogical and screams " look I'm contributing stuff." Wow. Ignore DPR and Darthe for a couple hours because one is certainly town and one is scum but not sure who is who? Correct me but isn't that basically how all mafia starts? How is it not helpful to not lock in? If one is certainly town making the other scum then lynch both back to back. I take one for one scum to town any day. Cause math is power and stuff. Instead you are voting for somebody else? Are you really not sure about either Darthe or DPR being scum or are you so sure Tinker is scum you can wait on one of those two? I'm baffled by this.

 

i'm not trying to pretend i'm contributing 

 

i was pointing out that people itt were getting wrapped up in the debate, which i found unhealthy and suggested a short break from

 

i have no idea about their alignments and haven't bothered to read them, but given the certainty about which people are/were talking about them, i think it's quite likely that one is scum, because at a glance without fully reading the posts they seem to not just be total tonereads

 

basically that was suggesting other people step back and clear their heads

 

i'm going to put in effort when i want to, and i will

 

and i'll see what i see and say what i say

 

just not right then 

[Songstress]

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT (UNCHANGED):

Miss Kizzy Clov (1) - DPR
Tiink (2) - Cuth, Miss Kizzy Clov
DPR (1) - Seph
Darthe (1) - Eldrick
Eldrick (1) - Kronos
Hally (1) - WiFi

Not Voting: Cass, Darthe, Hallia, Tiink, Dice, Spoof, Crusher
 

 

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to string 'em up!

Deadline for Day 2 is Friday, 2/17/17 at 9AM MST

[Cuth]

there are two people voting, correct? do you not understand why?

[Eldrick4221]

@Eldrick did you ever get any more information on what decision you had to make last night?

No.

 

I have no idea what it did.

[Cuth]

 

Here we go - get a load of this:

 

Ok. Had to wait for mod conformation about if I could even talk about it.

 

Last night, presumably at the beginning of night phase, I was to make a choice. I can't go into specifics because of mod communication and whatnot, but suffice to say I'm worried about the result of the choice.

 

Due to the obscure nature of the question, it feels like depending on what I picked, one of us will die. If there's a doc, and they have nothing better to do, I would like protection. I don't trust the outcome of this role, whatever it's doing.

 

If it's result is a kill, I would like to thwart it. It does not feel like a town ability.

 

that's never scum

 

it's also not role-fishing

 

unless the scum team has a watcher or something

 

rolefishing is enticing people to publicly out their roles, which is not the case

[Cuth]

caveat not never but preeetty much not ever here