[Advanced] Old West Mischief Mafia - Town Wins!

[seph]

Also. Idk

[DPR]

If someone wants to tell me how not bobs unvote makes sense please do.

A mafia isn't going to kill themselves for no reason. Kizzyclov was the lynch. It had meaning to sacrifice himself

 

We're going to have to drag this into speculation to make everyone happy, aren't we? 

 

Please keep in mind that this is speculation. It is not evidence. But, for kicks, let's see what people do with it.

 

Scenario #1: Kizzy was the lynch leader, so any scrambling can be seen as an attempt to prevent her from getting lynched. It's easy enough to see that. Maybe she holds the NK for the scum, or some other important role, and they knew that they had to save it to have a chance at winning. 

 

We know NB was a goon, which is expendable if it has to be. He had a train going. Makes sense.

 

What bugs me is your (Seph) and Cuth's efforts to protect the Kizzy slot. They were considerable.

 

I also question why Eldrick was protected as well - you (Seph) laid down a case that others would have followed... Then you yolo'd and voted NB.

 

 

Scenario #2: NB didn't have time to play. He was already trying to catch up, realized he couldn't and the scum team decided to gambit/sacrifice him for street-cred. You (Seph) certainly banked in on that one.

 

Or it could be something else. Speculation ranks up there with tone-reading.

 

Better to deal with what we do know. Facts. 

[Eldrick4221]

Ok. Had to wait for mod conformation about if I could even talk about it.

 

Last night, presumably at the beginning of night phase, I was to make a choice. I can't go into specifics because of mod communication and whatnot, but suffice to say I'm worried about the result of the choice.

 

Due to the obscure nature of the question, it feels like depending on what I picked, one of us will die. If there's a doc, and they have nothing better to do, I would like protection. I don't trust the outcome of this role, whatever it's doing.

 

If it's result is a kill, I would like to thwart it. It does not feel like a town ability.

[Eldrick4221]

 

 

I need to go read eod again to check on darthe, but I remember crusher. And I actually think Kronos was posting in catch up mode now that I think about it.

His vote looks better than darthe or crusher if I'm right here.

I think you are. I didn't read in in real time, but that's what it sounded like, now that I think about it.

He's the one coming back from the firefighter thing, right?

Dpr would be better b4 him

....

 

I was agreeing that it was Kronos you were talking about.

[DPR]

You can't kill me dpr. During the day or at night lol.

 

Classic WTF post. Odd.

 

Dpr.

Explain a scum motive that makes sense for what not Bob did.

I explained the other 2 scenarios I could think of. Literally there is no other option a scum makes in that situation. I also love how riled it is getting you. Please prove me wrong

 

Already did. 

 

Heh. You'll know if I get riled. 

 

I don't want to waste anymore time if I'm actually wrong on this subject. But there are no such thing as a coincidence happen twice, or 3 times. Especially when evidence is supporting me.

 

Sure wish we knew what you were talking about here. Sounds good though...

 

Evidence Is supporting the claim...

 

Yeah. Good times.

[DPR]

Ok. Had to wait for mod conformation about if I could even talk about it.

 

Last night, presumably at the beginning of night phase, I was to make a choice. I can't go into specifics because of mod communication and whatnot, but suffice to say I'm worried about the result of the choice.

 

Due to the obscure nature of the question, it feels like depending on what I picked, one of us will die. If there's a doc, and they have nothing better to do, I would like protection. I don't trust the outcome of this role, whatever it's doing.

 

If it's result is a kill, I would like to thwart it. It does not feel like a town ability.

 

I find it extremely hard to believe that a mod would allow discussion of any NA's before daybreak. No bueno.

[DPR]

What's up with the bizarre posts before daybreak? 

[Eldrick4221]

All the action consisted of is the choice for me to make. The rest is speculation on my part.

[Darthe]

Lol liz did I trigger you?

[seph]

 

If someone wants to tell me how not bobs unvote makes sense please do.

A mafia isn't going to kill themselves for no reason. Kizzyclov was the lynch. It had meaning to sacrifice himself

 

We're going to have to drag this into speculation to make everyone happy, aren't we? 

 

Please keep in mind that this is speculation. It is not evidence. But, for kicks, let's see what people do with it.

 

Scenario #1: Kizzy was the lynch leader, so any scrambling can be seen as an attempt to prevent her from getting lynched. It's easy enough to see that. Maybe she holds the NK for the scum, or some other important role, and they knew that they had to save it to have a chance at winning. 

 

We know NB was a goon, which is expendable if it has to be. He had a train going. Makes sense.

 

What bugs me is your (Seph) and Cuth's efforts to protect the Kizzy slot. They were considerable.

 

I also question why Eldrick was protected as well - you (Seph) laid down a case that others would have followed... Then you yolo'd and voted NB.

 

 

Scenario #2: NB didn't have time to play. He was already trying to catch up, realized he couldn't and the scum team decided to gambit/sacrifice him for street-cred. You (Seph) certainly banked in on that one.

 

Or it could be something else. Speculation ranks up there with tone-reading.

 

Better to deal with what we do know. Facts. 

 

ok so on topic 1. If you think I pushed my pr scummate, just so I could turn around and try my hardest to save them by all means vote me.

I am not sure why you need any speculation at eod I was pretty certain the hydra was town and I was doing everything I could to get them saved. I tried eldrick, and thank god no 1 followed. I went after notbob for the reasons i mentioned and I thought he had a good chance at being scum. + he was the only one I felt I could get lynched over kizzyclov.

 

I really do not care if I die for that. I feel like I helped save a towny, and im proud of that.

 

Can you tell me how notbob didn't have time to play? (did you just tmi here?) He has more posts or about just as many as alot of people. I am fine with 10 posts in 1 day phase, especially when they have content. You don't even seem like your speculating here and it bothers me.

 

DPR you literally did not tell me another option that notbob unvoting could have. if he doesn't have time I get it, but unvoting to kill himself hurts the scum team. If I was on the team he would have stayed alive so we get a townie lynched. even if he is modkilled for inactivity its better than quitting the game. I just do no see this happening.

 

The fact you think I pushed a pr teammate in kizzyclov just so I could save her by bussing my goon partner is kind of reaching...I

 

Darthe

dpr

crusher

 

I just keep getting more confident the more you talk

[Darthe]

Lot of people look bad in this mess.

 

Darthe, DPR, Crusher, kronos ...I know there more but I can't think of them right now.

 

Here's hoping we have at least 2 scum in that group.

Eldrick kronos to end the game is possible.

[Lizabeth]

I'm wtv DPR tomorrow. He's trying to twist a tale to get the thread to go the way he wants, but the tale doesn't make sense.

Ftr I think we should stick with seph's plan of tinker vs. Darthe tomorrow. I was questioning it in my head but I think I understand his strategy now.

 

DPR is drawing attention to himself for a reason. If he's scum there is a reason for that.

[Darthe]

If someone wants to tell me how not bobs unvote makes sense please do.

A mafia isn't going to kill themselves for no reason. Kizzyclov was the lynch. It had meaning to sacrifice himself

He had a wolf switch on him before liz lost traction because he got started bad and knew he wouldnt live long. Thats pretty basic and it fits the thread.

 

Crush and DPR are obv town. It's prob not lizclov on the sheer amount of wim they have, sucky though that is to admit since I gotta deal with them now, but eldricks in a good spot for it.

[Darthe]

 

I'm wtv DPR tomorrow. He's trying to twist a tale to get the thread to go the way he wants, but the tale doesn't make sense.

Ftr I think we should stick with seph's plan of tinker vs. Darthe tomorrow. I was questioning it in my head but I think I understand his strategy now.

 

DPR is drawing attention to himself for a reason. If he's scum there is a reason for that.

Tinks not a wolf, and he isnt even wplfy here that I could see.

[Darthe]

Sephs working with kizzy cause theyve cleared themselves and he has similar reads dpr. It makes sense.

[Darthe]

I'm read up btw.

[seph]

 

If someone wants to tell me how not bobs unvote makes sense please do.

A mafia isn't going to kill themselves for no reason. Kizzyclov was the lynch. It had meaning to sacrifice himself

He had a wolf switch on him before liz lost traction because he got started bad and knew he wouldnt live long. Thats pretty basic and it fits the thread.

 

Crush and DPR are obv town. It's prob not lizclov on the sheer amount of wim they have, sucky though that is to admit since I gotta deal with them now, but eldricks in a good spot for it.

 

What bugs me the most is how unwilling you are to reconsider anything this game. Day 1 I understand, you do you. But once we have reliable information instead of forming any new opinions you just go right back to sussing the most 2 sussed people in this game. not even considering any lynch but those 2. Its very -ev and tunneling like that is more mafia related imo.

Sorry darthe but im pushing for your lynch tomorrow.

[seph]

im working with kizzy because I think they are town. You realize even though they had a bad early game. towards the end of eod and into night they have played better than you lol

[DPR]

 

 

If someone wants to tell me how not bobs unvote makes sense please do.

A mafia isn't going to kill themselves for no reason. Kizzyclov was the lynch. It had meaning to sacrifice himself

 

We're going to have to drag this into speculation to make everyone happy, aren't we? 

 

Please keep in mind that this is speculation. It is not evidence. But, for kicks, let's see what people do with it.

 

Scenario #1: Kizzy was the lynch leader, so any scrambling can be seen as an attempt to prevent her from getting lynched. It's easy enough to see that. Maybe she holds the NK for the scum, or some other important role, and they knew that they had to save it to have a chance at winning. 

 

We know NB was a goon, which is expendable if it has to be. He had a train going. Makes sense.

 

What bugs me is your (Seph) and Cuth's efforts to protect the Kizzy slot. They were considerable.

 

I also question why Eldrick was protected as well - you (Seph) laid down a case that others would have followed... Then you yolo'd and voted NB.

 

 

Scenario #2: NB didn't have time to play. He was already trying to catch up, realized he couldn't and the scum team decided to gambit/sacrifice him for street-cred. You (Seph) certainly banked in on that one.

 

Or it could be something else. Speculation ranks up there with tone-reading.

 

Better to deal with what we do know. Facts. 

 

ok so on topic 1. If you think I pushed my pr scummate, just so I could turn around and try my hardest to save them by all means vote me.

I am not sure why you need any speculation at eod I was pretty certain the hydra was town and I was doing everything I could to get them saved. I tried eldrick, and thank god no 1 followed. I went after notbob for the reasons i mentioned and I thought he had a good chance at being scum. + he was the only one I felt I could get lynched over kizzyclov.

 

I really do not care if I die for that. I feel like I helped save a towny, and im proud of that.

 

Can you tell me how notbob didn't have time to play? (did you just tmi here?) He has more posts or about just as many as alot of people. I am fine with 10 posts in 1 day phase, especially when they have content. You don't even seem like your speculating here and it bothers me.

 

DPR you literally did not tell me another option that notbob unvoting could have. if he doesn't have time I get it, but unvoting to kill himself hurts the scum team. If I was on the team he would have stayed alive so we get a townie lynched. even if he is modkilled for inactivity its better than quitting the game. I just do no see this happening.

 

The fact you think I pushed a pr teammate in kizzyclov just so I could save her by bussing my goon partner is kind of reaching...I

 

Darthe

dpr

crusher

 

I just keep getting more confident the more you talk

 

 

 

Case and point why speculation is not good for the Town. 

 

First you ask for speculation. Then you remark on why it is wrong, knowing it can't be proven one way or the other. Classic scum move.

 

Even better, you twist it to fit your narrative.

 

Bottom line is, you did do the things I listed as fact:

 

1. Yolo voted NB after building case on Eldrick.

2. Actively, by your own admission, worked to save the Kizzy slot. 

 

NB suicide voting did happen.

 

Kizzy slot benefitted from NB vote on eldrick, and your vote - which was the tie vote - on NB.

 

There is an obvious connection between you, Kizzy and NB. You all worked together.

 

You want to try and spin that, go ahead. But that's what the facts are.

[Songstress]

All actions are in!  Day phase incoming....

[Songstress]

The sheriff was awakened at three AM by a hammering on his front door and frantic voices yammering outside his window.  He struggled into his robe, grumbling all the while.  It wouldn't do to fling open the door in his altogether, but he was tempted to give whoever had the audacity to disturb him at this hour a good long look at the full moon. 

 

He settled for giving them a piece of his mind, instead.  "If I'd wanted to be up at the arse-crack of dawn, I'd still be a rancher!  What do you mean waking the neighborhood at this hour?"

 

The rabble - constituents, he reminded himself, they voted for me - on his doorstep included a pair of saloon girls clinging to the arms of ranch hands who looked a bit the worse for spending the evening playing poker and tossing back the local rotgut.  Also, there was a pirate.  How very odd.  He shook his head to clear the cobwebs as a pretty little blonde began to explain.

 

"We were leaving the saloon - it was dreadfully late, and dark, so Jimmy here offered to walk me home, isn't he so very gallant?"  Here the girl paused to flutter her eyelashes at the drunken cowboy on her arm, who blushed ever so slightly.   "We had just passed the general store, when I positively tripped over something sticking out from the corner of the building, and I ripped my dress on a ragged board, see?"

 

The sheriff fought to keep his temper. "Yes, yes, I see, such a terrible board.  I shall go arrest it at once.  Is there anything else, ma'am?"

 

Her partner cleared his throat and took over the story from there. "You see, sir, what she tripped over was a boot."

 

"A boot."  The sheriff could feel his blood pressure rising.

 

"Yes sir," the cowboy continued. "It was attached to a body.  He was dead."

 

When the sheriff arrived at the scene, he discovered that at least was true.  The body was a she, although the drunken party could have been forgiven for the mistake considering her attire.

 

 

 

Calamity Sooh, vanilla town, has been killed.

 

========

 

IT IS NOW DAY 2.

[Darthe]

 

 

If someone wants to tell me how not bobs unvote makes sense please do.

A mafia isn't going to kill themselves for no reason. Kizzyclov was the lynch. It had meaning to sacrifice himself

He had a wolf switch on him before liz lost traction because he got started bad and knew he wouldnt live long. Thats pretty basic and it fits the thread.

 

Crush and DPR are obv town. It's prob not lizclov on the sheer amount of wim they have, sucky though that is to admit since I gotta deal with them now, but eldricks in a good spot for it.

What bugs me the most is how unwilling you are to reconsider anything this game. Day 1 I understand, you do you. But once we have reliable information instead of forming any new opinions you just go right back to sussing the most 2 sussed people in this game. not even considering any lynch but those 2. Its very -ev and tunneling like that is more mafia related imo.

Sorry darthe but im pushing for your lynch tomorrow.

I'm nut considering lynching liz? Just eldrick, and maybe wbk dependent on him.

 

I've got real good town read this round, so why would I adjust those just to adjust?

[DPR]

Sephs working with kizzy cause theyve cleared themselves and he has similar reads dpr. It makes sense.

 

How does that explain all of the framing and slagging they pushed on you during the night? That ain't town. You got your Eldrick blinders on or are they just that bad at this game?

[Lizabeth]

Oh yeah...Wild theory but...if MrsClov and I should happen to die tonight...still look at dpr. Think about the roles that might be in play.

 

OK lemme focus on work now!

[seph]

explain to me why notbob suicide voted?

Please oh my lord vote my for pushing kizzy and saving kizzy by voting notbob.
how you are seeing a connection there is blowing my mind.

how does not bob unvoting after im trying to get him lynched affect me at all? if we are both mafia what purpose would that actually pose for me?