2 hours ago, MasterAblar said:

- Rand breaking down a massive door he shouldn’t be able to? There goes the mystery for anyone a little genre savvy 

I really liked this part. Thought it was a good way to show it.

1 hour ago, Mnemosyne said:

- The scene between Moiraine and Valda really bothered me. The way Moiraine reacted was very out of character, for any Aes Sedai let alone Moiraine. I get that they're trying to play up how sinister the Whitecloaks are, but it was way over the top.

What would have been in character?

1 hour ago, flinn said:

 I am pretty sure the reason Rand was able to talk to Lews Therin and share his memories was because of the taint. In a big way, the taint caused by the DO was his undoing as well. It was necessary for Rand to share the memories in order to know how to repair the bore instead of patch it. Now, I 100% think Rand is the DR and that isnt an issue, but the taint on the men is a huge plot piece that is 100% necessary. Now if there are times when the women are tainted, then yes the DR would have to be a female. But even then they would know if they were looking for a female or a male depending on who was tainted.

The taint may have created the voice but I don't think it created the memories.

1 hour ago, Ralph said:

 

Yes

 

And it is clear in the books :

1) that she said the best could channel, including Nynaeve. This implies she could herself. 

2) that she was the oldest woman in the village and possibly the whole Two Rivers. Probably because of slowing, like Nynaeve. 

3) that she chose two pupils who could channel, which is likely because she could feel the spark in them. 

 

Therefore it is likely that she could channel, ie listen to the wind

 

And to answer your question, I would suggest that the more one channels the greater the slowing. So a Wisdom who just listens to the wind may live to a very old age, but not something unheard of. 

I feel you're misunderstanding me. I was saying "no" to the idea I was talking about the book writing being poor.

I am saying it's bad writing in the show to say she was turned away for being poor, unless she was lying or was misled. I'm literally only talking about the options in the TV show.

28 minutes ago, Ralph said:

So the bad writing is from the books? 

Um. No.

I was arguing that the wisdom couldn't channel, or she was turned away for another reason, or was lying to Nynaeve. Or it's bad writing in the show.

12 minutes ago, Beidomon said:

That… and everything else I mentioned above. 

Nothing you mentioned above will be impacted. None of it will be mentioned and none of it needs to be. Reds hunting male channelers may be mentioned, but that isn't a change. They aren't going to have episodes where they're thinking/talking about female false dragons and spend a bunch of time talking about what the world was like before Rand. Book readers will know but most non-readers will not even think about it.

It will have close to 0 impact on lore and backstory that is covered by the show. And it doesn't change the books.

11 minutes ago, Ralph said:

 

Except that this is pretty clearly true in the books also

 

EotW ch 21:Not all Wisdoms could listen to the wind, but the best could. That was what Mistress Barran always said, just as she said Nynaeve would be one of the best.

 

Ravens:

Doral Barran was the oldest woman in Emond's Field, maybe in the whole Two Rivers, white-haired and frail, but still clear-eyed and not stooped at all... Mistress Barran often praised Nynaeve publicly for being such a quick learner. She had apprenticed Nynaeve three years earlier, after her then-apprentice died of some sickness even Mistress Barran could not cure. 

 

 

 

https://wot.fandom.com/wiki/Doral_Barran

 

Not sure why you're saying "except." 

2 hours ago, TheMountain said:

It was all planes and angles!

I hope not. 

7 hours ago, Skipp said:

IGN posted this 2 minute clip

 

https://www.ign.com/videos/the-wheel-of-time-season-1-exclusive-official-clip-ign-first

 

 

  Reveal hidden contents

It is actually quite interesting with the ramifications here.  Nynaeve's mentor went to the White Tower and was rejected because she was a peasant or was she rejected because she couldn't actually channel despite what she thought?  We know the mentor dies, if she could channel she would begin to slow and from the way Nynaeve states "She remember until the day she died" it sounds like she died of old age.

 

  Reveal hidden contents

I could be reading to much into this but I would think it would make for a better story if the mentor was rejected but mistook the reason why and such Nynaeve's anger against the White Tower is misplaced.  If I am wrong it does make for a lot of potential changes though.

 

Now that I've finally had the chance to watch it: Moiraine is a total butthole here and I love it. And she totally plays Nynaeve here to get her age out of her.

Good points on the wisdom dying. She should still be alive if she could channel, unless she was like 580 years old when Nynaeve was her apprentice. So like I said in the other thread, this is either bad writing or the wisdom lied or was mistaken.

Speaking of wilders, they must be EXTREMELY rare or you would have loads and loads of survivors everywhere just due to them living so long.

1 minute ago, RextheDog said:

agree it seems clunky.

 

to clarify though, i should have suggested it COULD illustrate this if eloborated on, explained to Nyn later in the show (through dialogue or direct action) that the Wisdom wasnt turned away becuase she was pour, but rather blah blah blah

 

Moraine explains it to Nyn in part in the book when she explains the Nyn is lucky she learnt to control it, as it kills quite a few who dont get the correct training.

 

in the meantime, its fueling Nyns basic instinct the AS are not to be trusted....

 

 

hopefully im right and its setting up her story arc

Yes I hope so. In fact maybe Siuan is how she finds out she was wrong.

1 hour ago, Agitel said:

 

I don't like the change. But I really think it'll have minimal impact on the plot arcs and character arcs. It'll have a significant impact on the world-building and background lore.

It will have almost no impact on world-building or background lore, and require no ret-conning. I think the only difference will be that everyone is scared that there is another male false dragon and then that there is a real male dragon, and maybe wish it had been a woman.

1 hour ago, RextheDog said:

 

isnt it becuase she would be too old.

 

im sure the book explains this, as in, some are too old to help. its just illustrating this, and giving Nyn further depth for her distrust of the AS

Is it illustrating it, if Nynaeve is saying it’s because she was poor and had poor clothes? I think it’s bad writing unless the Aes Sedai misled the wisdom and made her think it was because she was poor.  They could have written it better so it doesn’t sound asinine when we find out Siuan’s background and how they’re desparate for channelers. 

Hopefully the pacting and characterization issues people are commenting on will go away in season 2 after they’re done with the who’s the dragon mystery and trying to introduce the rules of the world. 

8 minutes ago, jeffreycwagner said:

Skipp - Character breaking may be too strong - character changing.  If Perrin has a wife, he is no longer the person we meet, if he kills her or she dies, that is a devastation that fundamentally changes everything about, about meeting Faile, getting married, etc, etc.  I am not sure how his master work scene with him working in the forge even works - maybe it is the same, but somehow a widowed man doing that does not seem "right" or nearly as impactful and that was one of my favorite chapters.  I don't know, maybe he is married but not really invested with his wife, so she dies and he just goes on this grand adventure, or maybe that becomes his motive for leaving - he can not stand the place any longer and does not want to be reminded of it.  Thus, his return to protect it is now changed and in my mind ruined.  It just so monumentally different and again, not reflective of the core of his character.

 

For Mat, children?  How does he go off with this rascally attitude?  Are they with him?  He just up and leaves?  How I can not root for him at all.  I want him to go back home and care for his children.  His whole attitude and emotional state have to be completely and fundamentally changed.  Or again, maybe kids are just accidents that happened to him and he is ready to be done with them, like much of our modern society and he wants to be out and about having fun and not care about or live up to his responsibility.  In either case his motives and actions are changed or I can only despise him for abandoning his family.

 

Maybe they do it well and the changes are OK, or they are just rarely mentioned and we can just ignore them and pretend we still have Perrin and Mat from the books, I can not see how this works - I think it changes too much, but am hoping I can get past the damage or just pretend and still enjoy the show.  Color me skeptical!

 

 

 

What children?

I saw the new clip with Moiraine and Nynaeve (and had prev read it in a leak), and I’m wondering if the wisdom really was turned away for that reason. That sounds either like a lie by that wisdom or an omission by the White Tower. Or bad writing. Because we know Siuan’s origins and we know those origins are in the show. It doesn’t match even the show version to turn away a poor person. I wonder if the wisdom was just a weak channeler. 

9 minutes ago, Guire said:

Ok so I wonder if this reviewer has read WoT.  The politics and war in WoT are at least on par with GoT show.  Hopefully the perception of what is in book series doesn't leak into crap reviews out of misunderstanding.

They claim to have read WoT but it doesn't seem like it, given the paragraph where they're completely wrong. It's the type of comment I would expect and understand from a non-reader, because you don't see houses, thrones, or gray evil in the first 2-3 episodes, and not a lot of it in season 1. But a reader would know you get a lot of it in the series.

1 hour ago, Borderlander said:

Just so strange and troubling that Barney is not included in any press or interviews or anything... It's like he's been memory-holed.

It would be far weirder for him to be there.

3 minutes ago, CaddySedai said:

Its a review of a person who knows nothing about the series. 

It has to be liked by people who know nothing about the series. But the article is trash.

On 11/14/2021 at 9:06 PM, WhiteVeils said:

I don't think it will be Lan....I think we'll see Lan's backstory in the live-action part of the show. It seems too fundamental, and they've cast for it.

Ya, it's way too important, emotional, surprising, etc. Guessing it will be in ep. 7 or 8.

7 minutes ago, TheMountain said:

I'm still not convinced we're gonna get Saidar and Saidin, regardless of the name of the animated short. That's the main spectre hanging in the back of my mind despite thoroughly enjoying the screening.

Haven't seen it, and maybe we won't, but if they're mentioning it later on it may be when we start to get Logain action (assuming that hasn't happened yet).

22 minutes ago, themann1086 said:

Oh yeah, they showed us one of the animations, the Manetheren one. Very good!

As part of the show or just as part of the screening?

2 hours ago, Mnemosyne said:

 

Interesting, this has been taken down now... maybe too many spoilers?

There weren't really spoilers but people were not allowed to review it before Wednesday. I thought maybe Tor was an exception.

18 minutes ago, Ralph said:

But if an Aiel would not kill without her veil, and can't stop fighting and be taken Gai'shain, would they perhaps be willing to give a non-mortal blow, then finish him off after reveiling

Yes. So again, people should wait for context. It could very well be they don't even have veils, or it could be she couldn't get it on in time and pulls it up after she hits him the first time. A stab in the sternum isn't necessarily instant death.

7 minutes ago, AusLeviathan said:

If the only two options are herself dying or killing someone whilst not veiled then yes book Tigraine would choose to die, as would anyone who has accepted the Aiel ways. I'm not sure why this is in question as the books are very clear about this.

I don't think it is clear. I think the majority would say an Aiel would kill a wetlander even if their veil fell off. They put the veil on to show they have an intent to kill. There is no passage in the books that states what happens except when fighting another Aiel, I believe they will always let themselves be taken gai'shain.

40 minutes ago, RextheDog said:

that said, struggling a bit with Lan, but ill get there, i just want to buy in to what they are trying to do. 

He isn't quite as muscly as I pictured and I never pictured him Asian, but I am good with it now.

I saw a comment on a YouTube video today from someone saying Lan is way off, and then they proceeded to suggest an actor (forgot his name), who I looked up, and this guy was white, 5'10, and super skinny. People are already complaining about Henney being too short and small so it was kinda funny.