3 hours ago, TheMountain said:

The Aes Sedai can raise armies and declare war. Those armies can do the fighting for them.

I think the way Moiraine spoke of it, this Valda thing is a new phenomenon.

Just now, Liberty Dog said:

Thank goodness I have you here to explain my inner thoughts, feelings and motivations for me!

You make them quite obvious.

2 minutes ago, flinn said:

 Egwene wants it way too bad. Plenty of small things to show Egwene has no interest at all in being a villager with a family. She wants more. Throw in Rand's comment about "did she promise you were the one?" shows that others see it as well.

I have not gotten any sense at all that Egwene wants to be the DR. She only seems interested in channeling, and not overly much. They all seem indifferent to the DR stuff (which is actually a bit weird tbh).

Just now, Liberty Dog said:

Yes you are.

No I'm not.

You have problems if you think a woman being a blacksmith is an attempt at a girl power moment and you should just quit watching the show now because you're going to find any moment where a female does anything good or useful at all to be a girl power moment. Unless of course it was RJ who made the woman good or useful. Then it's ok. It's just a normal scene and they didn't even play it up that her being a BS is special in any way. It's just her job. Your other examples suck too and you're the willfully blind one.

Just now, Liberty Dog said:

In and of itself, it is not, but it was clearly inserted in the show as such.

Wrong

Just now, king of nowhere said:

i have a personal sample of one, and she didn't have it figured out. other people report similar reactions from their loved ones who watched the show with them.

hell, i know who the dragon is, but i wouldn't be able to tell from the show.

i assume some people got themselves spoilered and that's all.

There was even a (shitty) review where they hilariously commented that Rand keeps acting like he's the main character when he clearly isn't because it's Moiraine and Egwene.

1 minute ago, Liberty Dog said:

Nice hot take

At least with Nynaeve killing the trolloc physically or the Women's Circle killing the trolloc you'd have a whisper of an argument (except with the latter they do that later in the books). Thinking a woman being a blacksmith is some sort of out of the ordinary girl power moment is asinine. I suggest you do some real world research.

1 minute ago, rowdie said:

Min will be a Trans women.

That is literally impossible.

It's getting pretty tiresome having to scroll through the sexists' posts. That's what someone who thinks a female blacksmith being a girl power moment is.

24 minutes ago, Liberty Dog said:

This is a poor example for you because he was another example of a character being lessoned.  Nynaeve kills a trolloc with a knife, but a blademaster gets his ass handed to him while he has his sword? 

 

Another example of a pointless girl power moment being injected was making Perrin's fake wife a blacksmith.  This was an obvious "look how badass women are" insertion.

 

Come on.  At this point, you seem to just be trying to be willfully blind.

 

Rafe may bring it back around, but at this point, it is not looking good.  The crazy thing is it is completely unnecessary.  There are countless examples of women being badass in the books without trying to inject more.

ok bye

On Amazon it’s now 57% 5-star and 26% 1-star. At one time it was 29% 1-star. 

Hopefully when all 8 episodes are out it will have a more favorable rating overall. From what I’ve heard the episodes get better and better. 

Regardless of how they end up doing it, I really hope they leave in Egwene getting collared. It's one of the most shocking and horrific scenes in the series especially in the early third. It's way more interesting than getting taken by the Black Ajah. Without it, the Seanchan are very annoying but not as horrifying.

I'm probably repeating some of what has been said but if they combine seasons I feel this is what they need to cover:

• I think season 2 will start in Fal Dara so there will be stuff there too (I think Elaida and Elayne will both be introduced in Fal Dara).
• If I'm right on the above, then we'll need the attack. Maybe it will be done by the end of ep. 1.
• There has to be time spent in the WT with Egwene, Nynaeve, and Elayne training and just being in the WT. They can make the boat ride sped up and just have them get there. If they are going to end up in Tear and never go back to the WT, they have to spend at least a couple episodes there.
• Some time with Mat introducing the new actor.
• Liandrin and the girls travel via the Ways to Tear which has been invaded by the Seanchan. Egwene gets collared and the others escape.
• Rand and co hunt Fain who heads south to Tear. They show up and fight the Seanchan then Rand enters the Stone and takes callandor.

Or, Rafe banks on there being enough good stuff in tGH and doesn't feel he has to start making drastic cuts yet. The combining starts by making tDR content take up 4-6 episodes in season 3 and Rand ends up in the Aiel Waste and is done with Rhuidean by the end of season 3.

On 11/21/2021 at 11:18 AM, SinisterDeath said:

I think that might bring it forward a bit too much.

You want to make the WT look like the stone in the river.
If it falls too early then it doesn't have as much impact. (It be like killing Joffrey after 2 episodes in GoT)

 

I think you can start sowing the sees of a coup in Season 2, but It should wait until Season 3 or 4, after the wastes & Egwene's return. Possibly make it the finale of S2 or S3?

Agree. That would give no time for the girls hanging out in the WT and learning.

2 minutes ago, DojoToad said:

Dana held the sword steady on Rand.  I'm still assuming no training, but with two equally untrained opponents I'm putting my money on the one with the weapon.

IIRC she also managed to knock a knife out of his hand so she's not a total novice. 

1 hour ago, A_Cornered_Wolf said:

Rand is a farm boy with no training in the sword, nor any in close quarters combat.

 

Dana is also just as unlikely to be trained in the sword.

 

Meaning we are making the scene about fighting over said sword and presenting threat with it, despite the fact that neither character is likely to be effective with it beyond 'sticking 'em with the pointy end'.  That doesn't help create tension, and I think part of what makes the scene so awkward.

But why is any of this relevant? Dana beat Rand to the sword and had it in her hand, and Rand is unarmed. That's the relevant part. Skill with the sword is irrelevant in this scene. The only way it would be relevant is if Dana lacked skill and Rand had already had a lot of combat training at this point in time. If this was Shadow Rising Rand then sure he could take her down without the One Power. But it's not.

2 hours ago, ForsakenPotato said:

There's a lot of discussion of women physically overpowering men on this thread, but did I miss something in the show where that happened? When did we see a woman beating a man in a fair physical fight? Liandrin used the power with the aid of multiple other sisters, Nyneave snuck up on trollocs and Lan (those scenes could have been better but they didn't make her seem super swole), and Dana used her brain to put the boys in a vulnerable position where she could grab the sword. As Moiraine makes clear in her discussion with Egwene in the woods, real strength in the WoT comes from having a good head on your shoulders, not from having physical or magical powers. If the show is shortchanging the men, the issue is not that the women are stronger. It's that so far they are smarter.

 

One of the main themes of the books is balance between men and women, but I don't really think their world starts off balanced because only women can channel and the white tower wields massive power. I think Rafe is very intentionally trying to make that clear, and maybe being a little too heavy-handed about it. The boys are going to grow into their own and create the necessary balance over the seasons to come.

No, it didn't happen. Someone's illogically upset because Rand and Mat ran from a woman with a sword and making another made up thing about it.

I do wish we had gotten something closer to the books with Tam's healing so we could have more convo between Rand, Moiraine, and Lan, but I feel they really wanted Rand to be suspicious of Moiraine. My only real problem there is Rand and Tam didn't even thank her for healing him. Rand just immediately implied she brought the trollocs.

Based on interviews with Daniel Henney I'm confident we will get some more Lan and Rand bonding in season 2.

I did think it was kinda funny that Aram sounds like what UK Travellers tend to sound like in movies.

3 minutes ago, Beidomon said:

Being a woman actually gives you a leg up in the workforce and college admissions now.

lol

44 minutes ago, ManetherenTaveren said:

These are not as significant as the Aiel/Rand history (and relatives!), past ages, and Verin (!), but I found them eye-opening nonetheless:

 

-  The significance of the heron blade 

-  The advantages and dangers of tel'aran'rhiod (and its various incarnations)

-  The unexpected emergence of Birgitte

-  The various facades of Lanfear and other Chosen

-  The Black Ajah infusion

-  The glorious power of the Horn of Valere 

 I think the human evil will surprise the non-readers. I watched a video from someone talking about Moiraine being overpowered and someone commented about there being more powerful channelers. But we haven't begun to see powerful opponents yet.

4 minutes ago, Ellyll said:

 

Liandrin is an overt psycopathic sadist who sold her soul.  I'd hope she'd look bad.

 

And yes, the stealing IS bad fo Mat.

 

Mat's archetype is supposed to be the inwardly honorable trickster. They ruin that for no good cause.

 

His dad is the worst of it, yes 

 

Bran is weak.

Lan is no borderlander.

Perrin is an accidental wife slaughterer.

 

Like WHY? What good does any of this do?

 

Mat doesn't look bad for stealing, because they changed his backstory. He is doing it for honorable reasons.

Bran isn't weak he just didn't have any lines. This implies to me you think women who don't run the family business are weak by default also.

I fail to see any problem with Lan.

Perrin did nothing wrong and he doesn't look bad at all.

I don't agree with all these choices but the choices aren't doing what you say they are.

My point with Liandrin is people are mistaking character with writers with her. It isn't the writers' view of men, it's her view.

I feel many people making these comments like these really lack foresight for what they are setting up. If they don't set it up, I'll understand the complaints. 

1 hour ago, Jadefade said:

Imho, as long as an Aes Sedai is conscious and not shielded she can defend herself, (even in the dark without her hands as Rand did in the Box once to untied the shield) now if the whitecloaks know about and were able to tricked an Aes Sedai into drinking forkroot tea then they could burn them while they were unconscious, otherwise I don’t know why they were not able to defend themselves - I don’t remember any where a whitecloak was able to over power an Aes Sedai face to face, bully yes actually attack not that I remember. If there is please let me know where I’d like to read that part again, every time I reread I find something new

The way I see it, they are giving all Aes Sedai a weakness in the show which is not the case across the board in the books but is still canon, which other people have mentioned. Many Aes Sedai use gestures when they channel and it's hard for them to channel without doing it the way they learned. The Wise Ones even mock this in the books.

So, I believe they are using this in the show to build up a better group of villains in the Whitecloaks. It's a way to balance the power a bit.

I am guessing Nynaeve, Egwene, and Elayne will not have this weakness.

2 minutes ago, Ellyll said:

 

How so? Jordan is the author and Raef is the show runner, neither of them are characters.

I may be projecting a bit but I've seen dozens of people commenting, upset about the show putting down men and painting them as dirty or whatever. These are characters doing this, not the writers. 

The only good example is having Mat's father suck, but his mom sucks too. And him stealing does not make him look bad, at all. Neither does it make Thom look bad. I really am failing to see where the men look bad in general. 

Liandrin is made to look the worst of any character in the season so far if you aren't ignoring the obvious. Well, her and Valda.

9 minutes ago, Ellyll said:

Exactly this.

 

Jordan wrote as a male feminist. He obviously had women helping him understand the world from their perspectives while writing.

 

His world is full of ethnically diverse and often incredibly powerful women.

 

So far Raef's vision, to me, seems to be that of a male misandrist rather than a male feminist.

 

His female characters don't actually become more centered or self empowered than Jordan's story, they just become more dismissive of and judgemental towards men, while the men are either removed or turned into thieves/ lecherous caricatures.

I feel you are confusing writers with characters.

20 minutes ago, Sir_Charrid said:

There is an issue for me here, Robert Jordan purposely took time before even hinting at that aspect, Rafe decides to start showing it straight away. It takes away from that moment of wow, a friend of mine loves Horizon Zero Dawn and said it reminded him of the game (Earth centuries after a mass extinction event). 

He showed this is our world by chapter 4 by mentioning (with changed names) John Glenn, Sally Ride, Queen Elizabeth II, Moscow, Jack and the Beanstalk, Ann Landers, and Mother Theresa.

The skyscrapers are another fun way of showing it.