Tinfoil moment #248: Why has so much of this day been taken up with my read on DPR, which as long as he is uncounterclaimed is totally irrelevant and as long as Im everyone's favourite lunch menu is equally unimportant. Why? Because Ithi asked me and then Key went over them repeatedly with a fine tooth comb. Key has not been around much but she took time for that. Why didn't Ithi say anything when she saw DPR acting up? Because she knew he wasn't mafia however weird he was acting and liked keeping me shouting "look, he's doing it again!" like a total maddie. Ithi started the whole train on Marsh, after possibly deciding my behaviour had already given me enough wolf equity and it was really odd how she came straight for me with a vote and an accusation before the game really started. Key was also on that train. So I've solved the game while under the shower. The wolves are Key and Ithi. Not sure who's got more equity (lol, let's pretend anyone will even read this, let alone agree) Arrfh, sodding interface...

Unless you are really interested in knowing if DPR can tell what chronological order posts that he quoted were in, you probably aren't missing much.

Just pointing out for those that read the posts - if you have a long quote double return will split the quote at that point and allow you to reply in your post and the quote will continue below. I mean I'm sure you all do read my posts, hut just in case it slipped your mind.

Cannot say mine has changed since the end of D2, except slightly more sketched out by Key.

Lol, so nothing concrete then. That is so weak. A new player acting like a new player but also with moments of confidence. But thanks for showing how weak your case is. Emo is AI, is it? No wonder then you were poking me so hard with your blatant lies if you were going to claim emo is a reason elimination. Well, to quote someone you'll get a thrill when I flip.

I agree with, Gud, probably leaning for 1 personally.

Well, I mean really. I don't see why my toned buttocks have to be an issue here at all, lol. I feel it is a bit unfair that you are criticising the timing of me answering you. You reacted strongly to my reads list, and claimed that I had not even read your posts. There was a lot of other things going on so I could not answer that straight away. But it hardly seemed fair to allow you to attack me like that, or indeed to leave an inaccurate read up if I was misremembering what you said. So I did go back and I didn't misrememer it. You attacked the town doctor for how he saved the cop claimee. I know you say you were attacking him flooding the thread, and not believing Dice and his denial and Dice's hard claim passing in the post as it were. But so what? These are details. We know now that your read was wrong, so attacking me for pointing out I thought it was wrong feels wrong. Remember you were catching up and made a post in the middle of that to tell us all that Rand was almost certainly scum. I disagreed strongly with your conclusion and I found it sus. I found the way you burst out with that sus, I found your reasoning sus. Now that we know I was right and your read was wrong, how does that make it any less sus? Sure you could have just been mistaken, but it leapt out of the thread as a strange take and time has shown at the very least it wasn't correct. But anyway, everyone can see what happened in detail and can make up their own minds, they hardly need to rely on my reads for this. And sussing me for pointing out a read of yours that was wrong, was wrong, seems a bit of stretch.

Actually I'd like to copy Tig's request. If I'm being run up I think everyone should need to be explicit in their case on me. Letting wolves slank away with "he's always been high on my list" I don't think I'd good enough. Particularly I think anyone calling my behaviour (that I still am outraged is considered AI, but it is what it is) on D1 being a reason to vote now when it wasn't on D1 or D2. That, as I called at the time (and DPR gave me an Oscar for, so obviously he agrees), seems incredibly wolfy behaviour.

So glad you noticed. All in a day's work, lol.

I think the original post meant that Scarloc wished the show would tell the viewers about the connection, not that he was actually asking for himself. From what I've noticed Scarloc knows the basics of the story and then some.

Also adding as Ed was the freaking Terminator, freely sharing your names seems not a great idea (though I guess mafia could have also been given cover names like Ithi did for her Hamilton game).

Regards Marsh/Turin - it hardly seems a huge leap of imagination that if the Condemner is looking for a secret target that within the set-up that target would have a name. It doesn't seem like something that carries much weight. Even if the Condemner only has the callsign the characters use in the story, it still seems sensible to assume there is a good chance that the Condemner is looking for a character name. Even if it was unnecessary, it still was good advice. So I cannot see it as a smoking gun but just a possibility. Might be, might not be. I suppose if you had nothing else to go on it could be worth a try, but people seem to already have suspicions enough of other people. And that is coming from someone in the firing line, so make of that what you will.

As we seem to be gearing up to show time for D3, is there anything I can do to save my shapely Townie rear end? I have to admit I kind of doubt it. But I'm all ears to any suggestions. Still kind of sketched out by Key. Why did she go through my reasons for sussing DPR? I only posted them as Ithi asked - I was hardly pushing a case as no one is going to vote for a unCC'd role, which seems to be the general consensus at least. And I'm totally discredited as someone to trust, so why did she spend so much effort on going over it? DPR will be CCd or revealed or he won't be. Why further make me look bad? I guess it could be because she thinks I'm mafia, but it rubs me the wrong way because I'm not mafia and there are two people out there that know this. And also it wasn't a case against me, it was discrediting my reads which are not relevant at all and neither are bad reads (if they are) exactly AI.

Epidural

I thought the day had been extended to Monday for peeps that had difficulty with Sundays?

Tory

Lorry

Yeah I realised that after posting. But seeing I was the one threatened with it not sure why DPR is trying to make such a big issue out of it.

Any of three to five? Or just push on?

Does that come with a side order of raisins?

So, regarding Key's in depth assassination of my DPR case, which so annoyed DPR that he has to post about me constantly now, if I put my tinfoil hat on, perhaps her goal indeed wasn't defending DPR at all. Perhaps she was trying to orchestrate a subtle push towards my miselimination, by not attacking me directly anf therefore showing any excitement at my demise but to contribute to the "Heavy is a force of evil" narrative in a subtle way. Or of course she was just analysing it honestly in a shocking case of "player in a mafia game doing what they actually say they are" but I think we all know how unlikely that is.

Aww.i was just saving a spot on my dartboard. But even my kinks don't go that far. Spammy morning so far.

Didn't Tigs UNVOTE? My phone seems to like voting being down only in the voice of Death, lol.

Regards the books, it is pretty much just the same except the dreamer has nearly total control - if they realise it at least and the guest is not very strong willed. Reference Egwene getting caught in Gawain's dreams. But I think control of the dream would still exist there. Though also in the books there is a varying degree of lucidness, iirc. Like Rand's waterwood dreams of the girls swimming he does not seem all there when Lanfear turns up. Other times people are completely lucid. Not sure if this would be a dreamer/non-dreamer divide. In TaR, those without Dreaming talent and/or no experience in the Dream would be completely at the mercy of those with it,even down to their form such as Rahvin turning Rand into an ass. Not sure the show has made any attempt to distinguish between dreams and TaR except for the Wise Ones' comments. Might be wrong there.

And this is lazy scummish play. I never said that - Rand and Heavy have pushed that talk. I specifically said is was “the most likely scenario” imo You’re worrying me. @keyholder21 As requested, here is the DPR quote. I could actually just search for it. Though it was slightly more nuanced than I remember, here is where he was walking back his "in no world is Dice Town" or whatever he was saying. I don't see how this kind of misrepping and confusion army tactics can be viewed positively.