So then we are agreed that asking/pressurising players for a wtl isn't town behaviour? The point at the bottom of all this is that multiple people thought that your interaction with Teph was a little odd. I don't think there is more to it than that but I do feel you are mudsying the waters a bit, or maybe we both are, so if we could just agree that wtl should have grounded reasons we can let it drop.

Could you explain how this isn't a wolf saying "no wolves are under suspicion, so let's just railroad someone randomly even if you don't think they're mafia"? Of course reads are good, in lists or post by post. But forced wtls are only going to muddy the waters, IMHO. We should be aiming to eliminate a wolf, not being resigned to not having a chance to. If people are giving wtls because they have to while not having mafia leans, I don't see how that is going to tell us anything. If people don't have reasons for voting there is no way to differentiate a mistake from a deliberate miselimination. I mean what is to stop a wolf from voting for whoever and then saying DPR made me? At least if they stay undecided we will have a better chance of reading if they are genuinely undecided and it will make any wolf moves more obvious.

No what I was saying is I can give a reads list like I did above, but I don't have a wte list as I don't feel that strongly about anyone. Asking for a wte this early in the game I find troubling, but not enough to break out the torches and pitchforks. And to clarify, I find it troubling not because I don't agree with this playstyle but because it opens the door to starting a train without anyone being responsible. The person saying wte player x is set up by someone just asking a question. So you can have a serious amount of shade thrown, maybe even a train started but no one has full responsibility. It is stretching yes, no where near a smoking gun but it troubles me still.

LD means lie detector, a power role so if there is one, or even the chance there is one, it can make people wary of outright telling obvious lies. We don't know if there is one, but is it AI if someone refuses to state they are town openly?

I see what you mean but it presupposes that the reads list contains enough mafia leans to run up or start a train on. That is what I meant.

It is just a neutral word. I can see that in some situations "lynch" would be a charged word and after reading about it online I also realised how difficult it would be to stop using it if it made someone uncomfortable. Plus as my name is literally Mr Lynch, I decided to attempt to simply not to use the word. As a personal decision. Same difference about would like to/willing, but I accept the correction, my bad.

Wtl - would like to lynch (I don't use the L-word, so you can also substitute E for elimination. WIFOM - wine in front of me, the princess bride, basically the never ending circle of is it what it appears, a bluff, a double bluff, etc. I know that you know that I know that you know...

3? Or are we leaning totally on Nyra for all this?

Not really liking the enthusiasm of Teph and SD, but it is early doors, don't want to put that down as AI atp. Feel you are playing a game, structured approach, doubt it is AI, but will make reads awkward as tone will difficult to read. Turin and Tigs both feel natural (not tying them together, they aren't a pair). DPR and GK I don't really have any reads on at all, doesn't feel natural nor particularly forced. Dice hasn't pinged me really at all yet. Sorry if I missed anyone. No strong feels about anyone so far.

And on a different point of DPR Teph interaction, a reads list just shows the state of your thoughts, a WTE list this early is a bit strange. Seems far too definitive a question, a bit leading really. Not sure what to make of it though.

And good luck, Tigs. Less homicidal is probably a good direction to aim for.

Things are heating up. Interesting to see the sparring going on but cannot make much sense of it yet. Want to wait to see how the early spammers adjust to the more serious tone.

For Turin, I am town. Yet a-sodding-gain.

I think high ground specifically relates to formations of armies. The extra missile distance and better angle of attack is significant, the effort and momentum involved in charges, the psychological effect... In a one on one it would seem to my completely amateur eye that the advantages could be easily turned against someone and there is nothing stopping a circling (flanking) maneuver. Being immobile on top of a hill does not seem that much of an advantage in a duel.

Yeah I was working with this being a D1 joke, taken in the context of photoshopping Sinister's wolf garden. But if a serious attempt to cast shade it is really dodgy.

This may be wishful thinking, but I think Tigs was just saying I at least act like I know what I'm doing. Which is possibly the nicest thing anyone has ever said to me in a mafia game. So Tigs is obviously lock clear, for that piece of judgement. Well, until she comes on and explains that isn't what she meant at all. Does everyone and their aunt have an opinion on how I would play if I randed wolf? I mean seriously... Anyway. The Teph DPR interaction felt odd. Like a private conversation. Could be due to a lot of reasons. Teph definitely likes calling people wolf, but it is D1, we all get our kicks in different ways, nothing wrong with a bit of fun. Don't know what to make of Sinister's horror film review. Going tentative town behaviour but really don't actually know. Mental note not to mention Papa Roach again, but have to give GK credit for an accurate read on unnecessarily argumentative. Generally I try to keep that hidden, but perhaps the dude is just astute. Or offended. Could be either at this stage.

Anyway on that happy note, I'm going to bed. Try not to eliminate me in my sleep. Have fun, guys.

True, it is the overproduced cheese-tastic aiming-for-the-lowest-common-denominator that makes them pop. Glad you noticed.

Ooph, the truth hurts. I preferred them when they were all a bit tubby, tbf. Skinny Roach don't do it for me.

Alignment indicative, not artificial intelligence.

Well, some people don't like pop music.

So from AI movies we have segued seemlessly into AI music? OK.

Crayfish

Well maybe just as well we asked then, lol.

We could ask Nyra but shouldn't we try ourselves first? I think 3 seems the best for the clue about not solving but carrying. Should we maybe look at the second totem first before deciding anything?