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On 11/30/2021 at 10:00 AM, ArrylT said:
I am curious to see how / if they will depict armies moving through gateways or the ways. I expect some "charges" through those down the road.
Going by the books, the first example of that would be the series of skirmishes across the Southlands between Rand's forces and the Seanchan. But they didn't do any "charging through the Gateway into the teeth of the enemy" in that, because they were still hiding what they were actually doing. The use of Gateways to move troops in battle doesn't really happen until the last one. The huge Gateway that Egwene's forces used to bypass Andor wasn't in an actual battle, so it wouldn't count toward that.
What I would love to see (though I'm not confident they could show it) would be the Deathgates outside Algarin's manor.
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On 1/13/2022 at 11:54 AM, Humbugged2 said:
They only wore breastplates and helmets when the were fighting ,the Questioners not at all
I believe they wore their breastplates etc. any time they were in the field. Except for the Questioners, of course.
From our first sight of them in Baerlon:
Three men in breastplates and conical steel caps, burnished till they shone like silver, were making their way down the street toward Rand and Mat. Even the mail on their arms gleamed. Their long cloaks, pristine white and embroidered on the left breast with a golden sunburst, just cleared the mud and puddles of the street.
They wore their armor all the time, but wore their cloaks over it in order to show off the sunburst. Or the shepherd's crook or hand, as the case may be.
And only Fain's troops were ever portrayed as routinely dirty.
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On 1/13/2022 at 8:46 AM, AdamA said:
I agree with the thought that the costumes were mostly fine except the Whitecloaks. The design is okay for pure urban and garrison ops, but the rangers at least need to be dirtier. You need an entire support company with you for an active military unit living off the land to stay anywhere near that clean, and unless they never even trot the horses and they're just for show, they should be covered in dust from riding.
I liked everything else, though, even the Aes Sedai. Some of it is silly looking, but real world fashion is often equally silly. The bright colors and shoulder pads remind me of Claudia's 80's power businesswoman gear from Dark.
A test of how much they care about fidelity to books will come with the Cairhienin and Seanchan half-shaved heads, I think. On the one hand, it's a lot to ask actors to do that. On the other hand, looking at historical dramas like Vikings or Last of the Mohicans depicting real-world cultures with extreme hairstyles like that, they actually did it. Same thing with pointed beards. Game of Thrones was notable for dropping all the dyed and styled beards people were supposed to have to just make everyone look like a heavy metal concert. I'd like to see Wheel of Time stick with what the people are supposed to look like even when it's ridiculous.
To me, the first true test of fidelity to the books for costumes was the Aes Sedai shawls.
They apparently decided to skip class for that test.
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1 hour ago, ilovezam said:
Well, the whole point is that he was in fact not a random farmer. Show the Trollocs overwhelm several village conscripts, and the random pitchfork wielding farmers, and then show Tam doing some cool moves to hold off two before going down. Also if they wanted the Trollocs to be terrifying, then maybe the Daise Congar scene kinda runs counter to that, no?
He's supposed to be surprisingly good, and not just trained soldier good, but extremely, frighteningly good, and Rand's surprise was supposed to capture exactly that he wasn't just some random old man who farms. That's the point!
Also, the book does a bang-up job showing how terrifying the trollocs are without even showing them attacking the village. If they were portrayed more the way Jordan described them, there wouldn't have been any need to see them milling around and moving slowly attacking people who aren't really much smaller ... oh wait. I mean ... slaughtering and eating terrified villagers. We would have known how bad they were just from seeing them attacking the farm.
Seeing them like that, and then seeing Tam take them down, would have both shown us how dangerous they are, and how surprisingly dangerous Tam is.
But even doing it the way the show did - starting in the village first, then showing the farm - they could have shown Tam moving more like Lan than like a farmer beating a rug on a line, and both points would have been demonstrated.
As far as I recall, the only woman in Emond's Field (besides Moiraine, of course) we are told fought one directly on Winternight is Alsbet Luhhan - who brained one with a frying pan when it burst into her kitchen. ?
And Rafe took her out of the show in order to make Laila the town's blacksmith. ?
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12 minutes ago, ArrylT said:
While I disagree, I can now understand the perspective. Thanks for your response.
Fair enough. I've only watched the scenes at full speed - eventually I'm going to, like others have, watch it at half speed. I think it could have hindered him slightly but feel that more in a way that that multiple factors occur. Shoulder injury, misjudge speed & strength of top level Trolloc (Narg we assume) and choosing the wrong sword forms to fight a Trolloc, none of which I would punish Tam for since he's had zero life experience fighting Trollocs.
Basically I think that the show levelled up, and maybe it was not necessary, certain Trollocs in certain scenes to amp up the suspense / action. As I mentioned, I'd have liked to have seen more Trollocs attack the farm, not only for the opportunity for Tam to kill them, but I can add that logically I don't think sending 1 Trolloc to the Farm and the other 99 (assuming it was a fist of 100) was something the Fade would have done. But that is a case of real world fantasy logic versus what sells on tv to the average viewer.
Call it a case of it doesnt interfere with my enjoyment of the episode, but a way I can think of improving my enjoyment level.
Very true, but that is part of the point I think. Only the book readers know a lot of this information. Since most viewers would not know - it therefore does not indicate any intent specifically to portray Tam negatively.
So yes I would agree that Tam does not get the same opportunity to showcase his fighting skills that he did in the books. I just would disagree that this lack of opportunity was due to anything other than the limitations provided (season length, episode length, adaptation requirements, etc), or that what I saw from Tam gave me a negative impression of him.
I also want to be clear. I would have been all for a longer S1 with 10-12 episodes*, where these scenes can be added to further flesh out certain characters and such. I simply do not feel that the lack of these scenes, or how Tam is portrayed in the show is (a) intented to harm his portrayal as a character or (b) is done in a way that makes him appear weak.
* - Several people have suggested that maybe one day a 12+ episode per season animated series would be nice, and I'd definitely want to watch that.
I don't doubt that lack of time has a lot to do with it.
But the problem I have with dismissing things like this as due to lack of time is the fact that so much apparently unnecessary content was added in its place. Why cut the rest of the fight at the al'Thor farm but put in the entire Karene/Stepin story arc?
Also, regarding the fact that only book readers would know something - that was kind of the point why this was brought up. The Tam in the book was a badass retired swordmaster, who handled multiple trollocs on his own, and was only eventually overwhelmed by numbers. The Tam in the show was a guy who had an old sword, but wasn't all that good with it, and needed his kid to save him by stabbing the one trolloc he saw in the back.
The fact that non-readers wouldn't recognize the difference doesn't change that it IS a difference. And one that looks deliberate, given the other differences we encounter.
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1 hour ago, WhiteVeils said:
You obviously don't want to try to see it a different way and you want to forcibly create a difference where there isn't one. So, I guess you be you?
Do you really think anyone needs to "forcibly create a difference" in a show that can't even keep the name of the village the same as the book? Too many things have been deliberately changed to assume any single detail remains the same, unless something specifically says it is. And nothing here says it is.
You obviously want to deny an obvious difference from being what it actually is.
Read the thread again. It wasn't my question. And I tried to twist myself in the same pretzels you have to claim the show matched the book. Then I went back and watched the episode again.
The differences are too numerous to list. Why wouldn't this be?
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8 minutes ago, WhiteVeils said:
Why only one trolloc: it would have been very hard to fit two trollocs in the set for the farmhouse and do a decent fight. It was very small. Which would mean starting the fight inside, then going outside, at least, which is an even more complex fight with different lighting, easier to get confused with the town fight, and taking much longer to film. The impression non book readers took from seeing Tam in that fight from the videos I watched was "Hey! He's really good at fighting, and he has that sword he can clearly fight well with. That's strange." Which is what they're supposed to think.
The set was built from scratch. For that one scene.
If it was too small, it's because they made it too small.
The response I saw from non-readers who watched the scene was more like "That looks like an interesting sword. I wonder where he got it, because he doesn't look like he knows how to use it. Good thing Rand was there to stab that thing in the back."
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12 hours ago, notpropaganda73 said:
Again, we just have different perspectives on this. When I watch S1, I'm most frustrated at the EF5 not getting enough development through the season, and that's all 5 of them.
And speaking of "too different"...
Going by the show, we can't call them the EF5 anymore. They are the "TR5."
The village isn't Emond's Field in the show, it's Two Rivers. Because it's no longer on a field.
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5 hours ago, ArrylT said:
The very next scene, after Rand kills the Trolloc (so does Rand killing the Trolloc make Tam weak?)
Rand killing the Trolloc doesn't make Tam weak. Tam needing Rand to kill the trolloc for him does - at least weaker than even a retired blademaster should be.
5 hours ago, ArrylT said:Plus it should be noted that Tam was already injured (you can see a wound to his back) prior to getting the heron marked blade.
The wound is simply a mark from being thrown back against the fireplace mantel. The trolloc hasn't stabbed or clubbed him or anything else. It shouldn't have been in any way debilitating, and in the show his movement doesn't seem affected by it at all.
Also: while he wouldn't have ever faced a trolloc before, he absolutely knew what one was, and how hard they were to kill. He told Rand about them that night. Nor was he really surprised by them showing up in the book, since he put on the sword before they broke in.
The Tam in the show and the Tam in the book aren't the same guy in this respect.
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19 minutes ago, WhiteVeils said:
They removed the term Winternight because people might think, as you seem to, that Winternight and Beltine are two separate occasions. The omission is intentional, not to change the timeline, but just to to keep it all under one term...Beltine. Winternight is and always was the first part of Beltine. Bran on the 23 says that Beltine is the next day...which it is, starting at 7pm on the 24th.
You're right. The attack happened on Beltine. Beltine starting at 7pm the 24th.
Otherwise, what daytime activities are happening on Beltine? The day the boys are town (the 24th) isn't a bunch of celebrations or competitions...it's just normal stuff.
But hey, feel like you want. I think you're making it more complex than it is.You should really re-read this thread from the beginning.
You are attributing misconceptions to me that I explicitly addressed and rejected in my earlier posts.
In the book, we don't ever see the daytime events (competitions, etc.) for Bel Tine because they don't ever happen. Because the village was recovering from the attack. The Spring Pole has been broken.
In the show, we don't see those events because Rafe made Bel Tine all about the lanterns. The Spring Pole on the Green never exists to begin with. The other events no longer have anything to do with the holiday. Which is also no longer a celebration of the end of winter and the beginning of spring.
I'm not making it more complex; I'm just going by what's actually in the show, without presumptions brought from the book.
Referring to Bel Tine Eve as Winternight wouldn't confuse anyone who is capable of following a story. Removing the reference doesn't improve things in any way unless it actually doesn't happen then.
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1 hour ago, WhiteVeils said:
I agree with the timing you said happened in the book...that's what I said. Here's my understanding:
Lets call Beltine Eve Dec 24, and Beltine Day Dec 25. Specific times are just working estimates.
Book:Dec 23 6pm - Moiraine and Lan arrive in Two Rivers.
Dec 23 10pm - Thom Merrilan arrives in Two Rivers.
Dec 24 10am - Rand and Tam see a dark stranger on the road.Dec 24 11am - Rand and Tam arrive in Two Rivers
Dec 24 12pm - Padan Fain arrives in Two Rivers, Rand meets Moiraine
Dec 24 3pm - Rand and Tam head back to their farm
Dec 24 7pm - Winternight celebrations begin
Dec 24 9pm - Trollocs attack Two Rivers.
Dec 24 9pm - Trollocs attack Tam's Farm.
Dec 25 5am - Rand reaches Two Rivers with Tam
Dec 25 7pm - Rand flees the Two Rivers with the others.
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December 23 10am - Egwene has her Women's Circle InitiationDecember 23 1pm - Rand and Tam arrive in Two Rivers
December 23 4pm - Egwene arrives at the in after her Circle Initiation and the Women's Circle celebrates her.
December 23 7pm - Moiraine and Lan arrive in Two Rivers
December 23 8pm - Nynaeve sends Perrin home
December 23 9pm - Mat takes his mom home and goes to bed.
December 23 10pm - Egwene and Rand do the dishes and make love.
December 24 12am - Rand and Egwene talk, Rand goes to bed.
December 24 3am - Fade arrives in Two Rivers.
December 24 6am - Rand goes to his 'Thinking Spot'
December 24 7am - Padan Fain arrives in Two Rivers
December 24 7:30am - Tam has breakfast
December 24 8am - Mat talks to Padan Fain
December 24 8:30 am - Moiraine and Lan start searching the village
December 24 10am - Egwene talks to Rand in his 'Thinking Spot'
December 24 1pm - Moiraine talks to Nynaeve
December 24 3pm - Rand talks to Mat and Perrin
December 24 3pm - Egwene and Nynaeve listen to the wind
December 24 4pm - Rand and Tam return to the farm
December 24 7pm (Sunset) - Beltine celebration begins - Lantern ceremony
December 24 9pm - Beltine dancing begins
December 24 10pm - Trollocs attack the Two Rivers and the Al-Thor farm
December 25 5am - Rand arrives with Tam in the Two Rivers
December 25 6am - Rand flees the Two Rivers with the others.
I did go scene by scene with this to make sure.
And just to be clear for both:
Beltine (in a normal year for book and show):
Beltine begins at 7pm December 24
(In the book, with visiting and treats, in the show with a lantern ceremony and dancing)Beltine continues through the day of December 25
(In the book, with dancing and competitions, and in the show, we don't know, but maybe the same thing).
While the order of those events from the show are accurate, I believe they all occur a day later than your timeline.
I believe you've set your sequence the way you have in order to have the attack happen on Winternight, based on knowing it from the book. But if you just look at the show itself (as I wasn't in my initial response) that presumption disappears.
Set aside what you know and just watch the episode for what it actually says.
We know that Winternight is never mentioned in the show. Since no change to the writing would have been necessitated by using the name, I believe the omission is intentional. They don't say the attack happened on Winternight because it didn't.
In the show, the lantern lighting at the river happens before dark. It isn't a "Bel Tine Eve" thing, it's a Bel Tine Day one. Sundown? Sure. But not dark yet. As rewritten for the show, the lanterns are the entire point of the holiday. Why would it happen the night before? In the book, the competitions, etc. are the point. They don't happen in the book because the village was recovering from the attack. They don't happen in the show because they are no longer part of the holiday.
Please note: I already spoke of the possibility of the "Bel Tine starts at sundown" thing to explain why Bran would tell Tam that Moiraine could celebrate Bel Tine with them "tomorrow" when in your timeline it would otherwise be the day after tomorrow.
I think the simplest answer is what I proposed. Winternight went away because ... reasons. The attack happened on Bel Tine. And is referred to that way in later episodes.
If it was still supposed to have been Winternight, there is no reason not to call it that.
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8 hours ago, ilovezam said:
They removed the position of leadership from LTT, gave it to Latra, and had her talk down to him. She was dismissive, yet at the same time she was 100% right in her assessment of the situation, and LTT almost deserves her disdain. Rosamund Pike says in an interview that the Breaking is to highlight arrogant men abusing their power, which is a huge departure from the books. Again, why change that?
8 hours ago, notpropaganda73 said:Again, I don't see LTT as being deserving of her disdain in the scene. When I see any character behave that way on screen, I'm instantly thinking "they need taken down a peg or two". It's hard here because we are coming at it from the books POV. So maybe that also colours how I read the scene. Because I know that LTT needs her to listen to him and if they worked together in this very moment, maybe they would succeed. But she dismisses him, so I'm thinking she has as much blame here as he. They are both suffering from the same flaw (to me).
My primary objection to that scene isn't the way she dismissed his idea or with who was the authority and who didn't. It's the REASON she dismissed his idea.
In the book, it's a desperate attempt to end the war that was devastating their civilization. In that, it actually works - the Dark One's prison is actually resealed, and serendipitously all the Forsaken
Spoilerexcept Ishamael
are actually trapped with him. So LTT ends up being correct - as far as anyone knows at the time.
In the show, she dismisses it not just as being dangerous, but as being unnecessary. As it appears on screen, the War either hadn't started yet, or hadn't gone far enough to warrant desperate measures. It isn't just the Breaking that hadn't happened yet. Paaren Disen was completely unscathed - and we know from the books that it was repeatedly attacked in the War and abandoned because of how badly it was damaged. Damage that happened BEFORE the attempt to seal the Bore.
The show makes it sound as if their attempt to "cage the Dark One" and remove evil from the world is what causes the War in the first place.
Ironically, it's probably the case that if women had joined him, it would have tainted both Saidin and Saidar.
SpoilerAs we learn at the end of the books, the attempt didn't fail because it only used Saidin. It failed because it touched the DO with something besides his own power. Anything other than the True Power would have ended up tainted by touching him.
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1 hour ago, WhiteVeils said:
In my family, much of the Christmas celebration happens on Christmas eve...gift opening, midnight mass, etc. More celebration happens on Christmas day.
In the books, visiting door to door happens on Winternight, or 'Beltine eve'. Competitions and maypole dancing happen 'Beltine day'. The attack happens on Winternight. The competitions and maypole dancing don't occur because the attack happened the evening before, we only know they exist because Rand thought about them.
In the show, instead of visiting door to door on 'Beltine Eve', there is a lantern lighting ceremony and dancing. This is Beltine...the first part of Beltine. The attack happens on Beltine eve. On 'Beltine Day', judging from the tables and flowers, etc, it looks like there will be more feasting, and possibly competitions and maypole dancing. But we didn't see those events because, like in the books, the attack happened the evening before.
In both books and show, Rand and Tam arrive two full days before 'Beltine Eve'. Moiraine and Land arrive the evening before 'Beltine Eve'. Rand and Tam leave the morning of 'Beltine Eve's day. The attack happens on Beltine Eve. The next day would be Beltine Day but there's no celebration because of the attack.
The difference from the book is instead of Rand and Tam arriving on 'Beltine Eve Day', they arrive the day before that and stay that night.
I don't know why you think anything happened the evening of Beltine day in the show or book at all.Go back and re-watch the episode.
The attack happened after the daylight events of Bel Tine. Not the night before them. The lantern lighting takes place on Bel Tine Day.
And you're simply mistaken about when Rand and Tam arrive in the book. They explicitly arrive relatively early on the day of Winternight, and go back to the farm the same day after hearing Fain's news about Logain and asking around (discreetly) whether anyone else saw the black rider. They never stay overnight at the Inn. Rand is surprised they went back home rather than staying.
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7 hours ago, Gothic Flame said:
Considering that in the book it was Lan that sneaks into the tent that held Perrin and Egwene when Valda had just dropped a sharp rock to encourage an escape attempt. Lan in a couple of moves knocks Valda out.
Point of clarification:
In the book, Valda is still hundreds of miles away near Tar Valon when Perrin and Egwene are captured by Bornhald's troops in the abandoned stedding on the Caralain Grass. The sharp rock was dropped by Jaret Byar, Bornhald's lieutenant. In the books, neither Perrin nor Egwene ever meet Valda. And Bornhald didn't have any Questioners with him.
Also, in the show, Valda tells Egwene to call him "Child Valda." In the books, not only does he never refer to himself that way, he actually bristles when one of his superiors calls him that.
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15 hours ago, Dagon Thyne said:
Wiinternight is the final night of winter. Bel Tine is the first day of spring.
The lanterns and dancing are done on Bel Tine in the books. On Winternight, the go to each others house eat, drink, and exchange gifts. Rand and Tam arrive in the morning on the same day as Winternight, but Moiraine and Lan had arrived the day before. The attack on the vilage occurs that night, and Rand carries Tam into the village the next morning, on Bel Tine
In the book, yes (except for the lanterns, which Rafe invented).
The timing is different in the show.
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18 hours ago, WhiteVeils said:
Winternight is not mentioned. In my understanding/opinion, the attack happens on Beltine. Beltine starts at Sunset on "December 24" and continues to probably Sunset "December 25th". This is the same as the books. The books just call Sunset "December 24" to morning "December 25" 'Winternight', which is part of Beltine. The early part of Beltine.
If someone is saying they will spend Christmas at home, that could mean either Evening Dec 24 or Day Dec 25 or both.
The attack on the Two Rivers in the Show happens on the 'Christmas Eve' part of Beltine. I guess I don't understand the confusion.
It's like Hannukah. Hannukah lasts multiple days. If something happens on the first day of Hannukah or the 5th day of Hannukah, it's still happening on Hannukah. Something can happen on 'First Night' and still be happening on Hannukah. First Night is also part of Hannukah. It's just instead of 8 days, Beltine only lasts a 'an evening + a day' and that evening is called 'Winternight' and is the first part of the Beltine celebration.
As I always understood it from the books, anyway. It seems the show approach.The confusion is simply that you did the same thing I did in my initial response. As I did, you're answering the wrong question. You are describing what the book says. But the question was about what happens in the show.
In the show, the attack happens the equivalent of the night of the 25th, not the 24th. All of the practices associated with holiday - except the dancing on the Green - have already taken place.
Rand and Tam arrived in town the afternoon of Winternight (though it isn't called that). Lan and Moiraine arrived after dark in the rain the same night. At the end of the evening Rand and Egwene have a night of hanky panky after washing the dishes.
The next morning (Bel Tine Day) Fain arrives, and Rand and Tam go back home.
The attack happens that night.
It's not just that Winternight isn't specifically mentioned. It's that the attack in the show actually takes place a full day later than in the book.
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2 hours ago, WhiteVeils said:
This is fair...he may not feel obliged to stay due to the trolloc invasion, though the idea he may feel obliged to stay to protect Nynaeve for other reasons, or just because Moiraine told him (in previous episodes) that the most important thing he had to do was protect those kids, is not impossible.
And we already knew from when she masked the bond in Tar Valon that he couldn't find her.
He may have been able to track her through the Blight the same way he could track an animal or any other person, but he definitely couldn't tell where she was.
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23 minutes ago, WhiteVeils said:
I always figured, from the books AND from the show, that Beltine included both Beltine 'eve' and Beltine day. Beltine 'eve' (like Christmas eve) was also called Winternight, but it's just a specific part of Beltine, just like Christmas Eve and Christmas are considered the same event, and in my church, you can go to mass on either day and it 'counts'.
Also, all of it, even the days before and after, can be used for a general greeting or in a general way for things like 'Merry Beltine' and 'Are they staying for Beltine', just like at Christmas time, we say 'Merry Christmas' all December long, and even a few days after, and 'Are you visiting home for Christmas' doesn't necessarily just mean 'Will you be in your house on Christmas day'.
While true, it doesn't address the question asked. Does the show (like the book) place the attack on Winternight, or does it change it?
And in the show, not only does the attack not happen on Winternight, that word is never mentioned.
Using your example, if something is supposed to have happened on Christmas Eve, and is repeatedly referred to that way, then it didn't happen the night after Christmas. This is the equivalent of placing it after all the presents are opened and all the dinner eaten, and Christmas is almost over.
Please note: Saying "Merry Christmas" for all of December doesn't change the date of the holiday. And if you say "you can spend Christmas with us tomorrow" you aren't talking about any other day in December except the 25th.
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5 hours ago, Joe B said:
I didn't start this thread to bash the show. I will ding the show if they intended fo the attack to be on Winternight. If they did, it is a clusterf*&!
I will respect the show if they intended the attack to occur on Bel Tine to accommodate the adaptation.
Actually I wouldn't care if random strangers online didn't persist in referring to the "Winternight attack"
So... are we in agreement that in the show, BTTA is a thing?
Yep, that's a thing.
It's even mentioned later in the show as "the trollocs on Bel Tine."
Now if they would correct those bonus materials ...
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6 hours ago, Humbugged2 said:
As I said he swapped them round so Bel Tine is All Saints Day which is like the Celtic Day of the Dead and Winternight is Halloween . The sit halfway to the equinox
Except that I don't think they just swapped them. Samhain doesn't normally include the whole "dancing on the village green" bit. That's definitely still part of May Day.
It's more like they took everything they ever heard of and mashed it all together.
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7 hours ago, Raal Gurniss said:
Given the refusal of criticism by showrunners and renewal of the show…Either Bezos is happy(which he won’t be given lack of blockbuster status) or he is largely unaware of the show.
The show was renewed before a single episode was released. Technically, it was renewed before they even wrapped shooting season 1.
He would've seen no criticism or lackluster numbers to be unhappy about yet. Now he might. The only thing he might have heard about by then is concerns from Brandon or Harriet.
Of course, as shooting for season 2 is slated to end in just over a month, it may be too late to save. Except by editing and post-production. Rewriting and reshooting at this point would be really unlikely. But it has happened before.
The best scenario is if he did hear from Brandon and Harriet and ordered Rafe to change direction before filming started.
Hope springs eternal.
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On 1/13/2022 at 7:29 PM, Humbugged2 said:
In reality Latha Bealltainn is May 1st and Samhaine in Nov 1st he swapped them round . Lá Fhéile Bríde is Feb 1st(start of Spring) and Lùnastal is Aug 1st (Harvest kickoff) according to the Gaels (my peeps)
It's clear in the book that Bel Tine gets its name and most of its traditions from Beltane. Most obviously the dancing around the Spring Pole. But it's placed earlier in the year - more like Ostara. Or even earlier between Imbolc and Ostara. With Winternight being the celebration that winter is truly past, but planting perhaps only just starting.
In the show, the weather looks much more like Beltane would be (warm and already green), but the celebrations are much more like what would be expected for Samhain.
It's almost like the show took everything they ever heard of a seasonal village celebration, and mashed it all into one holiday.
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20 minutes ago, Raal Gurniss said:
I doubt he is happy with it given how easy he believes it is to create a blockbuster…WoT isn’t a blockbuster…At best it’s middling.
And his unhappiness is the best chance to force Rafe to fix the writing. Or take the decisions from him altogether.
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Yeah, I just thought of that after I posted. Oops.
And that is an actual charge of troops through a gateway.
And of course the planning for it was used directly in the Seanchan battles.
It would be really cool to see both of those, and at least the charge into Illian would probably not too hard from an FX standpoint (as opposed to the Deathgates).