It does not have to be step by step but if you cant see an issue with transporting 3 unconscious students through the inside of the tower into the stables and then to the waygate you are not taking the practicalities of the world seriously. And I wholeheartedly agree with the desperate need to give more time to character development and world building. The biggest issue is why the change from the book especially in this instance as they have gone out of there way to develop a connection between Nynaeve and Liandrin.

You asked what was hard about it. I responded then barely a couple of messages in you appear tired of it. Resorting to i don't care about how it happened. I would still like to know how my answers where vague or evasive?

Hemmed and hawed? How are any of those responses vague or evasive. They are legitimate concerns when faced with moving 3 bodies through a public and guarded place. They also address some of the concerns in regards to using the power in this situation. Your only suggestion continues to be she could have had help to which I replied that it does not remove all of the concerns and there is no evidence of it. And it is only brought up again now because you stated that you made several logical explanations before making the in question quote. It also feels like at this point you are distancing yourself from the logic of that quote and that you deployed it against me because you where sick of arguing with me about it.

I have no idea what point you are trying to make or you think you have made. You are taking something that happened in the show and claiming that as something you suggested.

That was not in question we saw her leading the horses out of the ways. It was actually in the show!!!

Go back and look the only suggestion you provided before you apparently washed your hands and made the statement was, she might have had help.

Rubbish. You quoted me asking what was so hard about how she got them to Falme. I responded with a number of things that would have caused serious issues. You then dismissed this with an argument that basically boils down to the it's space wizards for children and criticized the rise of skywalker, to which I pointed out that the defense you applied was almost an exact fit for that very movie. 9 hours ago, Elder_Haman said: In a show where people can do magic, raise people from the dead, speak to one another in dreams, talk to wolves, see visions of the future and where the spirits of the long dead are being resurrected to bring about the end to time, you want me to worry about the logistics of how three people are kidnapped. Again these are your own words I fail to see how I have in any way engaged in a bad faith argument.

The point is fairly obvious in that all the points you raised in the 2nd quote i provided could just as easily be attributed to the SW sequels as your use of them to dismiss my concerns with the plan she used. 9 hours ago, Elder_Haman said: In a show where people can do magic, raise people from the dead, speak to one another in dreams, talk to wolves, see visions of the future and where the spirits of the long dead are being resurrected to bring about the end to time, you want me to worry about the logistics of how three people are kidnapped. pass. In a show where people can do magic, raise people from the dead, speak to one another across the galaxy via mind tricks, see visions of the future and where the spirits of the long dead are being resurrected to bring about galactic domination you want me to worry about the logisitics of a knife being a map. pass. All 3 SW sequels are examples of terrible writing. Force awakens is the best of the 3. But they are all disgraceful.

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I suppose its a question of whether you are after long term speed or a burst. Sending the 4th horse with the woman would have made it harder to follow as well since it would be 2 set of 2 horse tracks. Incredibly lucky for Lanfear that the other guy showed up.

Taking the horse would have helped them as they could rotated horses to keep them more fresh.

When you start a defense for your argument that includes the second quote how can you seriously criticize any other media. The sequel star wars movies almost literally cover every point you make in the 2nd quote yet from your comment you appear to not see it as quality writing. Surely looking at those points you make you must see some cross over.

Ahh the good old its a story about space wizards intended for children argument. A very poor argument. Internal consistency is vital at a fundamental level for good writing. But then you have to physically move 3 bodies all the way to Flame, very difficult as well. Is the quote you used. I'm sorry but I would consider the start of the journey to be part of the movement to Falme not just the portion in the ways.

You are filling in the holes with explanations you are making up with no evidence to support your rewriting. And again you asked me what was hard about the plan that was actually used in the show and have since just decided that all the issues I pointed out are now meaningless.

Even having assistance does not make moving 3 bodies unseen any easier. Seeing 3 unconscious and bound students being moved in the tower is going to raise a mountain of questions. And you are writing the script for the show and filling in plot holes because of your desire for it to work.

? Yeah maybe what really happened is Liandrin was really sculpted out of clay and she suddenly remembered a trick her father used to turn an island invisible and that she had used to turn a cup invisible and she mastered that ability to move them out of the tower unseen.

You asked me for the reasons why it was hard to accomplish the things required using her plan. And now you are just flat out ignoring those valid reasons.

Well ok. First you have to shield 3 channelers by yourself. Then you have to transport 3 unconscious students through the tower and into the stables all without being seen. Then further you have to ride said horses with unconscious and bound students to the waygate even if you assume that the waygate is located inside all the guard checkpoints that would require an amazing amount of luck. As for the using the power to lift in the books I think Siuan says that she used to be able to lift about 3 times her bodyweight before her severing so splitting that into 3 flows and keeping it up for at least the distance to the stables would probably be very difficult. There are lots of other potential difficulties that time would have caused to this plan but since the show basically skips all travel it's impossible to tell. It was a terrible change, terribly written and thought out from start to end. It makes even less sense because in the show unarguably Nynaeve trusts Liandrin more than the books making the use of a trick far more likely to be successful.

Another terrible episode. The worst part the absolutely hilarious scene when the girls get dropped off to the Seachan. Soldiers march away from Seachan take the girls from the horses then drop them at the side then march all the way back to the patrol. WTF. Why not keep the prisoners with you. Damane fail to realize that she has removed the shields and freed the girls using the power. Can't imagine Ishmael will be thrilled when he finds out that Liandrin released them. Then what appears to be a pathetic chase scene. Another hilarious palanquin. Fight scene with Perrin and Avi was terrible so many quick cuts so dark. A real let down when the blood snow was one of the better components of the first season. Did appear at one point that the white cloaks could have just struck Perrin down but did not. Season continues to lurch from poor to crap to dumpster fire.

But then you have to physically move 3 bodies all the way to Flame, very difficult as well. Keeping them unconscious also means you have to find a way to feed them and keep them from soiling themselves unless you want very messy travel conditions.

What bollocks. The lead up to Rand being mistaken for a player in the game was far more detailed in the books. Rand was dressed as a lord in the books thanks to Moiraines removing his old clothes Rand in company with the Lady Selene is found at the site of a project involving The King of Cairhein along with what it appears to be a serving man in Hurin who is extremely deferential to Rand. Rand is questioned by guards at the site before being escorted to the capital by the soldiers. After arriving he is sent invitations by small houses because of the news of the outland lord poking around the Kings excavation. He then through nativity burns the invitations which excites further interest in his status. In the show he is a guy who lives in the foregate works in the city and gatecrashes a party and stole some wine. That is not bloody similar.

The show clumsily tells us that despite it making no sense. It is terrible storytelling. The book shows the path that led from a nobody to someone inadvertently gaining notice at the highest levels. The show could announce to us that mechanical robots that disguise themselves as cars exist it would make it true for the show but not any less stupid in universe.

In the book he was built up as a potential outland lord by a number of small instances all combining to raise his social interest to the nobility. There is no parallel to the shows butchering of this. In the books he is found dressed as a lord with the stunning Selene travelling with him who is also playing a lady at the time at the site of a major project for the King of Cairhein. He is then escorted to the capital by some of the soldiers guarding the project further raising his interest. He then by his nativity and straight forwardness continues to escalate his social status. In the show he is simply a man who snuck into 1 party with a foregate innkeeper stole some wine and burnt 1 invitation and works in an insane asylum. And I would argue the invitation burning was added to the show simply as a nod to the books and not for any other narrative purpose. The location of the cabin matters, Selene has no history, the cabin of her past is a fiction. Can you really see Lanfear spilling where she is really going to anyone but Rand and his knowledge is limited purely to Lanfear, closing the loop. She especially is going to be tight lipped considering she is so close to her goal of regaining her lost love.

No it does not. She took him to a party where they stole some wine. Even if they put spies on them which from that interaction i would deem a low chance how would they have been followed up the mountain path for days and even if they were followed how could they have reported the location of the cabin back to Carihein in time for Moiraine to have followed that distance in that space of time. It does not make narrative sense. Remember the cabin is not truly part of Selene's past so it can't be a known location for her. As for the insta respawn no we dont know the rules but Moiraine seems to know that you can't actually kill them.

Another disappointing episode. Warders are just nothing compared to the books. The relentless talk about the bond is at a complete overkill level considering the dire state of the worldbuilding across the series considering we are now 50% through the 2nd season. Distance and travel times are just irrelevant, we need to go here then next scene there we are with no recognition of time or distance involved. Alanna was in the tower teaching then had to go to Moiraine, bam shes there, then Moiraine leaves them and bam she is just in Cairhein. Looks like we are getting insta respawn forsaken. Not really sure how Moiraine followed them to the dagger it feels unlikely that the cabin would be part of any real story from the fake Selene. Making following them incredibly hard. Why are the forsaken randomly imprisoned all over the world with individual seals it made sense in the books that they were trapped near the bore when the one seal was applied and they fell out of time I can see no sense why you would do it in a manner that appears deliberate for each one. Be it realistic or not the size of the wolves makes them look like fairly small dogs, its hard to imagine them attacking in the manner in the books, hell even seeing hopper jump when giving his name to Perrin was very underwhelming that was meant to be an attempt to jump into the sky. The departure from the books accelerates every episode.