Forkroot does not exist in the show until it is introduced it has no value. But Liandrin would be constantly channeling anyway so if it draws the black wind then it is already doing so. There is no proof of that the one scene in the ways shows an awake Nynaeve and Liandrin and thats it. Then them awake when they leave the ways. It is nothing but conjecture that she knocked Nynaeve out again either. None of this explains the Seachan also not taking control of the shields once they are out of the ways.

Something I wanted to recheck people's opinion on now that we have had the last couple of episodes is Liandrin's capture and transport of the 3 to Falme. Now we are aware that tying of shields is not a skill current channelers possess and Egwene's power level being enough to at least temporarily hold Ishy at bay it drastically damages the whole passage. 1) Liandrin now has to maintain 3 shields at all times from the tower to Falme. 2) Egwene not long after is able to keep at bay Ishmael for a considerable time, Considering Logain required 2 or 3 strong Aes Sedai (including Liandrin) to keep him shielded and I would assume he is not as strong as Ishmael that sets the bar for Liandrin to solo shield her as highly unlikely. 3) Now that we know tying of shields is not possible why did the Seachan not take over the shields when Liandrin was entering the waygate as I cannot see how they would have thought the shields would have remained once she entered the waygate. Just seems to make the entire scenario completely implausible.

Emotional pay off at the cost of internal consistency is a hallmark of crap writing. Didn't she acknowledge Renna saying that if she hanged then Egwene would die as well. Hard to believe that she could possibly have believed death would not hurt her.

I thought it would be possibly have been a big chance to fold Renna into Egeanin. Have both of them be unwilling to release each other but Renna be unwilling to face life as a Seachan Damane. With the inability to force the removal of the collars or harm each other they could have been forced to work together with Renna eventually releasing Egwene when she realizes that the Seachan way is wrong.

I love the big cast in the books but the way the series is going it really needs to be streamlined theres little enough time ATM for main cast development without trying to jam in lots of the smaller book characters. But why try and bait people into attacking the show this constant trend of studios attacking the fans is just madness.

Not overly important but did anyone else find it a little odd that Moiraine used fire for the attack and then sent the fire under the water that would have required additional effort one would think.

If she was to know that throwing something with the power would kill someone and she had a choice not to do so then she is aware of the result of her actions and would be unable to do so. You have in effect chosen to make it a weapon via choice. If she had no choice but to defend herself in a certain way that could cause a collateral injury then the intent is not offensive and would be allowed. With the train again the intent would be on saving lives unavoidable collateral damage would not play a part in it. If your intent was however not on saving lives but causing deaths then your intent/belief is different. If you believe someone is a DF then regardless of it actually being true you could strike them down but you must believe it. It cannot be just a lie you tell yourself it must be what you truly believe.

I pointed this out before the fact she says i would kill 1000 innocents would imply she is aware of the danger.

But they were still bound by the oaths they had to feel in enough danger personally before they could be involved in the fight. If it was made clear that they would in no way be targeted they would have been useless. The more interesting question is that of warders, which i think is brought up by Gawyn in the last 2 books about the warders falling outside the oaths. You could force the warders into combat but if you made it clear you had no intention of killing them i again believe that you would be constrained by the oaths.

Thats not true. If spoken clearly all who know of the oaths now that the words are true. If you are not a DF and are not threatening an Aes Seadi or warder she cannot attack you with the power. The loopholes only apply with ambiguous speech.

Its a weapon because she is using it to attack the ships or the Seachan channelers. There is no ulterior motive involved here. She can't have thought you know what the ships are lacking is some fire I'll give them some I'm sure that what they really need is some fire because they are sitting in all that water. She could try and save the train because thats what she is intending to do. Intent is key.

Well its a weapon for sure, it's the target of the weapon that is in question. The fact she says she would kill 1000 innocents before launching the attack would indicate that she was aware the weapon would kill people which makes it a large question mark against the oaths. It's questionable if she could even make the statement itself as she knows she is unable to kill an innocent and she is also under the oath to speak no word that is not true. Although she could just be planning on killing them all without the aid of the power i suppose.

Mire is correct from a scientific point of view using the scoring % across multiple seasons does not give an accurate reflection of the quality of the show that would be considered accurate. As an aside I have read a number of the reviews on IMDB and some of them are downright insane one of them stated something along the lines of I could not stand it hated everything about the show and could only watch 10 minutes and I hope it gets cancelled, and then rated it 7/10. One wonders what it would require to get a rating of 1/10. And I have seen multiple similar reviews across many movies and shows basically expressing that the show was garbage yet still giving scores above 5/10

Lol thanks. Talking about the dagger I am not even sure why Mat would have even thought it could cut through metal, to the best of my knowledge it's never been shown to do this before and it's not something you are likely to think of as a possibility.

Rubbish he was healed by the power twice immediately after the taking the wound and was completely incapacitated by the cut. The renegade Ash'aman did not die immediately he noticed the cut heard Fain speak to him and then walked a few steps before trying to run before he fell. If he had the healing Rand got its entirely possible he could have survived as well. What makes you think we are getting another wound. Ishy used a quarterstaff in the falme fight and he was just stabbed by a quarterstaff with the dagger attached. My guess is this is it for the wound in his side. That dagger in the books caused a faint wisp of smoke to rise when it was plunged into a wooden post. Comparing it to cutting through a metal lock is insane.

Thats simply not true. When Mat slashes the Seachan soldier in book 2 the man screams and thrashes before turning black he dies quickly but not straight away. When Fain kills the renegade Ash'aman in Far Madding he manages a few steps before falling to the ground with the wound burning and blackening and then he dies. When Rand is slashed by Fain he immediately screams and starts to succumb to the dagger, but he is then immediately attempted to be healed by Cadsuane . This healing fails and he is then immediately healed again by Samitsu who is considered to be among the very best of the healers among Aes Sedai even with these attempts they say he is still dying. Samitsu even says that she believes Rand would have died without the first attempt being so quick. It then requires yet another Power induced healing effort from Flinn to stop the wound from killing him and even then it is not actually healed. Thats how the dagger works in the books. It's also not a bloody light saber in the books.

It possible although they do seem to wave the hands around a lot in fairly particular patterns. The group shielding Rand all seemed to perform the same movements at the same time.

But renna actually says this is not the case first infraction is removal of tongue second is removal of hands. Not sure how that is productive considering they use so much hand waving and i thought they showed in S1 with Valda that cutting off hands prevented some channeling.

What about the boat damane. Feels like something the show would do having Moiraine kill the head of the blue ajah.

Totally missed that. Jeez there is so much wrong with the episode when you get down into it. Also the way the almost lined up to run at Lan in single file was funny.

One early gut feeling I get is that 2 of the released male forsaken are going to basically have the demeanor of frat boys with lets just smash stuff approach. I think we have seen the best of the forsaken already in Ishy and Lanfear and it's going to be downhill from here into cartoon characters for them.

Because she at the time is both Damane and Sul'Damane. The scene for Egwene is not impeded from a Sul'Damane POV. However from a Damane POV using the collar as a means to attack Renna is clearly not allowed using the collar to hang her is clearly an attack which should have triggered the same response as her attempt to attack her with the water jug.

She intended to use it to hang her that sounds like as much like a weapon as a water jug.

We could have had some great character work he could have screamed at Lanfear about what she had done and she could have thrown it back in his face that he was the one that had requested her help. Easily could have traded that in for some of the extensive slow motion looks exchanged between Moiraine and Siuan.

Come on these are the characters that have been used to scare children and adults for generations. Even if you give the benefit that he did not know about her casual brutality it does not change that he was involved in the attack by asking her to help him and he still could not seem to care one jot about those deaths.