Storytelling has accepted metrics that can be judged and they can be good or bad.

Again excusing them as nitpicks (which a lot of them are more severe than IMO) does not make them not true. The better the writing the fewer the nitpicks. You really almost have that paragraph on auto fill. It is of course not possible to for an adapter to not change some things as then it is not an adaption but a copy. And of course the life experiences of the writer is going to play a role on the material they produce. However claiming that they have the same freedoms as the original author is simply not true. If they are adapting a work they must work within the world the original author has created or it is no longer an adaption but a new world. My analysis is based on how effective they are in this endeavour. The quality of the world building, keeping the characters true to their counterparts in the books, how the magical system is used and its rules in comparison to the books, characters competence being tied to the character and not the story requirements. I base my analysis on all these things and others, I provide clear examples for them. This is not ignorance.

Definite for Siuane and Moiraine in New Spring. Was it simply the fact that they were trapped in a harsh all girls environment? No idea it's not important. They share a lifelong bond and they have a goal that trumps every other relationship and thing in their lives Elayne and Avi are sisters and that is it they are rebirthed together as essentially bonded twins. Ishy in the books I never got an impression either way the same as Siu and Mor he had taken up a cause that was more important than anything else to himself. As a man from an extremely cultured and educated world I don't believe he would have any issues any form of relationship although this does not prove in any way which way he might have swung before his fall. I don't care relationships between characters should make sense to the characters worldbuilding.

I present clear examples of the world breaking and storytelling issues when I provide my analysis on each issue. People frequently dismiss them as nitpicking however the fact that you are able to look past said issue as you do not see it as a problem does not mean the problem is not present. The show writers are there to adapt the WoT their personal interests and beliefs are not as important as the story written by the original author. The are working within Jordans world so no they do not get the same freedoms as he does. As you are talking about tone and tenor your posts almost always come across as if your word is absolute and sacrosanct on every writing issue and are unwilling to accept that there are any worldbuilding or story issues at all.

Well firstly the first sister ceremony is not a marriage. They literally become sisters, birthed again and imbued with a magical bond of basically becoming a twin sister. If they keep the bond and ceremony the same as the books and have them sleeping together it is going to be incredibly close to incestuous. Yes Elayne and Avi spend far more time together than they do with Rand but it is not sexual in nature they are sisters holding each other. This I believe is a queer person seeing something that is simply not there and I will again reference the fact that the first sisters ceremony involves a birthing element. I am not against Rands ladies having a more physical relationship but it should not be between sisters unless the show is advocating for a truly incestuous intent. I respect the issues his mormon upbringing coupled with his sexuality must have caused, but this is truly not the relationship that occurred in the books. I really like the talk about not setting the sexual identity of the character as that characters main defining trait. A real problem in a lot of the increased prominence of female and gay leads is that it is those very characteristics are their main ones. However, I don't believe that he has followed this. I have never disliked the idea that we could see an expanded physical relationship between Moiraine and Siuane. My problem is that it has super ceded their defining trait which was the single-minded desire to find and guide the Dragon and thus save the world. It began with the FFH ter'angreal being used for a hookup and when they finally had the meeting there they had sex before discussing the fact that Moiraine had found the Dragon which had been there most important goal of the past 20 years and their lives. And then this episode he has broken down the worldbuilding and storytelling to throw these characters at each other again by using Egwene.

How does that show my ignorance. Of course I believe that the decisions were made in good faith I don't believe that the showrunners and creatives are intentionally producing bad content. That is a mad assumption to make and one that I have never made. The show defenders really need to stop accusing me of saying things that I have not said.

Thanks for the explanation but just because he had the book knowledge and quite possibly already the intention to use Chesmal at another point himself does not validate the changes he has made. I am sure at some level he and the other creatives have reasons for the numerous changes they have made. I question the sheer volume of alterations and additions made outside the original work and the value they provide. And the methods by which, and for which, they are inserted.

It's a forum not a direct message it was not meant for him to solely respond too just as you choose to respond to a comment that I did not direct at you. I apologize if you jumped to the conclusion that I was avoiding extrapolating on the examples I listed as some argumentative ploy. I simply thought that it was obvious that I thought they were not required or good changes for the adaption. How is it a strawman argument, I did not set up a separate thing to argue about I listed specific examples of changes within the show compared to the books and then when challenged by you I happily listed the issues with the changes. It's very hard to believe that you don't think calling me a dick is an insult or then going on to label me as biased and obstinant as doubling down on this.

Even if she takes Lans bond i feel we have devoted far to much time to the melodrama of her and the warders. We could have fully explored almost everything about warders and Aes Sedai with Moiraine and Lan while deepening our connection with these 2 vital characters. It would even have increased the impersonal feeling of transferring the bond by not throwing Alanna at us every episode. At this point in the books they had devoted almost no time to tower politics and they did not really until Egwene a main character stepped into the role.

I've got no idea what that meme you are referencing is? Chesmal was in episode 1 of this season so why she would have died in episode 2 of season 1 I have no idea. How can we be ignorant of storytelling as you previously said that there is no objective good or bad storytelling.

Dude yourself! He asked for examples, and I provided numerous. You can make a judgement on just how required they were for an adaption, I would argue for most of them not very. I would argue that sacrificing an unforgivable amount of screentime to Alanna and her warders and their melodrama when you have Lan and Moiraine who could have filled this void and kept the show on a tighter and cleaner line is a poor choice for an adaption desperately short on time. I would argue that inventing a relentless number of tower politic scenes are not required for an adaption failing to generate enough time for it's main protagonists including relegating the main character to playing with a kid and laughing about being the Car'a'can despite that meaning he is going to destroy most of that childs civilization. A tonally deaf scene if there ever was one. I would argue that giving Egwene the power to instantly bring non dreamers into the dream was simply a sloppy writing mechanic to allow the showrunners to again throw Moiraine and Siuane at each other and thus not required for an adaption. Is that enough validity for you. Have I explained myself enough for you to understand. Or are you going to insult me again.

Come on almost the entire episode was only incredibly loosely based on the books. Entire tower sequence not in the books Entire Alanna sequence is change the only relation it has to the books is that she was in the 2 rivers. Entire dream sequence with Moiraine entirely made up and after only 1 training session. Lanfear and Rand dream banging entirely made up. Moiraine having the worlds most powerful Sa'angreal entirely made up. Bloody hell Rands entire contribution to this episode was to chat and bang Lanfear and play with a kid which when viewed through the lens of the fact he is going to destroy most of the entire Aiel nation is tonally deaf. If you watched this episode in isolation with changed names it would be nearly impossible to link it to the books.

I think we have to assume at this point that there is no feeling others channel at all. I mean Elayne and Nynaeve where what 15M or so from channeling for 2 weeks on the boat and never felt any of the channeling. Have we got an indication at any point in the show of people actually saying they felt channeling happening that they could not see.

After last weeks episode raising some faint hopes this one feels even worse. This was just made-up rot for like 90% of the episode. So Alanna is dead right! No Aes Sedai to heal her and she is in the middle of nowhere with at least half a dozen crossbow bolts in her. No bloody way is she going to be okay. I've turned the bond off, oh piss off I am so glad that you are clearly and unequivocally dead. I am so sick and tired of the never-ending inserted melodrama between Alanna and her warders. Taylor Napier cannot act his way out of a paper bag. This whole arc is terrible and is just a time sponge the show could not afford. The interpretive dance of channeling just looks silly. Egwenes dream stuff what is happening she has one lesson and suddenly she can bring Moiraine into the dream and take her too and place her in Siuans dream. Then she goes on what a dream visit compilation? Every single main character is asleep at the same time? Why the hell are they keeping the BA in the 13th depository? Do they not have cells in the tower? This was by far the worst episode of the season and among the worst in the entire series. The bloody stabbing and healing is just beyond stupid at this point. Theres so much more wrong with this episode.

I just don't see that much value in comparing WoT(current) to I Love Lucy. I can see the value of the analytics in comparing Seinfeld to I Love Lucy as that gives you an engagement score on inactive series. I can even see the value of comparing WoT S1 in January to those shows as it can give an idea of interest during completed seasons. Maybe it gives some type of measurement I just question it's value. I never said it was invalid. Hell I am not even sure what they are using to generate their numbers so how I could make a call on it's validity is beyond me. It also seems to me that it is designed to produce results for new programs that are almost guaranteed to fall into the top end of the tier, only 8 times the engagement required to place a show into the outstanding category when compared to the entire back catalogue. Also why does that table work out to only have 98%. Speaking of I love Lucy does WoT really have only just over double the engagement?

The accents were one of the only 2 things that I could nitpick about the whole sequence. 1 Extras, just need more. 2 The range of accents across each scene even was too large and a little distracting.

That data set seems really weird. The change in demand is only +51.9% from when there was no new content? I would have thought that figure would be much bigger. Especially considering it is 18 months since the last season I cannot imagine Season 1 and 2 where drawing massive figures in Feb 2025. The same goes for the other set it seems to be comparing it to all other titles across the entire market. So that is comparing a new release brand to series that are not active or even complete. If this is true it feels very much like a site designed to produce a couple of good looking graphs. Did just notice the article date if so its very hard to take anything from that early in a cycle with any accuracy.

Female warriors would still be super rare.

I agree that they may not know Aiel on site like they most definitely would in TV. But any outsiders especially armed female ones would attract interest.

They may have just thought Burger King was opening a store so no big deal.

I don't think anyone has actually said this. What we have asked is to be closer to the books and not invent needless new arcs that sap the limited time available from the major characters. The production also thinks they can achieve the adaption in a timeframe and budget that they agreed to. If it's not enough they should have pitched something different.

Just to provide some information to put that into focus That is its engagement compared to the current number 1 Its engagement of 25.11 is less than half of Reacher which comes in at 52 and 65 for Invincible on the Amazon list

I dont think the whole season falls into this category. However most of episode 4 does and it could be a tipping point to correct the show. Episode 4 is currently at 9.5/10 on IMDB nearly a full point better than all other episodes this season. It is being praised from everyone here. My hope is that someone at the studio is taking notes on this and they change the direction to follow the books like this episode has done. This season is already made but the future could be bright. 9.5\10 on IMDB is just about the highest rank I have seen for anything.

My point was more concerning the fact that in our world we clearly don't have perfect gender identity at our birth gender. Religious beliefs are too varied to take them all into account.

Nice crop on that quote BTW completely ignore the fact you for no reason accused me of being malicious. Nothing of the sort has been proven. At no point I have done this. Frankly at this point I could not care how the rest of your day is considering the way you have behaved towards me.