If that's the case then Rand has now escaped Aes Sedai twice with the assistance of Black Ajah/forsaken at this point I would strongly suspect him of being a dark friend.

He was seen by large numbers of people. He was at the epicentre of a huge display of the power announcing the rebirth of the Dragon. He has met with the Amyrlin so has been seen by others travelling with her. He is known to be a companion of Moiraine. Are you telling me that since him being revealed in Falme as the Dragon Reborn and him then travelling all the way to Tar Valon that he is free to roam uncontested about the streets of the very heart of Aes Sedai power. So much for the extensive spy networks of the Aes Sedai.

With the ending of season 2 being the Dragon over Falme reveal if Rand is in Tar Valon how in the world would he ever be allowed to leave with the rest of the group going to the waste. The only way I can see is if he is freed by the Black Ajah in a full battle but if that is the case how is he reunited with Moiraine and company and taken to the waste?

So to me it looks like Mat will not go the Waste at all.

Well now that I have fully clarified my position do you still consider me to be a bigot as you have pushed for the majority of this discussion.

It's more than that they mix in a whole range of training methods. Something I would equate it too from the real world is innocent people confessing to crimes that they have not committed. Almost everyone believes that under no circumstances would they ever do this but there have been large numbers of cases were skilled interrogators have used a range of techniques (excluding physical abuse) to obtain exactly these confessions, and they do not have the advantage of the A'dam or almost indefinite time. If you can be manipulated into confessing to murder i do not find it remotely unlikely that given enough time people could be conditioned by the A'dam in the manner depicted in the books. John Oliver did a very good piece on this if anyone is interested.

I mean I have stated my opinion on multiple occasions. I will attempt to flesh it out a bit more to try and be as clear as possible. An active inclusion policy should be purely about the innate attributes of a person. Innate being the characteristics that you are born with or are present naturally, and no I'm not arguing right wing garbage here, I believe that sexual orientation and whatever you consider to be your gender to be part of those innate characteristics and that you should be free without reservation and persecution from embracing that lifestyle. Religion is outside this along with everything else including atheism. It does not require an active inclusion policy it can be present within stories when it is required and needed. Construction companies are outside this. It does not require an active inclusion policy it can be present within stories when it is required and needed. A sports carnival is outside this. It does not require an active inclusion policy it can be present within stories when it is required and needed. And so on. This discussion may have started about diverse casting but its not what I have been talking about for most of this discussion. I cannot remember now if I thought it was an issue but the only thing I would possibly have said in a negative light about diverse casting in WoT would have been about an isolated village having a cosmopolitan mix of ethnicity as that is just not how remote pre industrial communities worked. I think i may have had a discussion here in regard to how quickly an isolated community becomes homogeneous. But I cannot honestly remember. And that is not an attack on people of color I would not have cared what ethnicity was used just that it was fairly consistent.

I don't think they can actually read their minds it more feelings I think. However this does extend to being able to sense deception as well which would make avoiding being discovered faking being broken exceptionally difficult.

The problem I see with some of these is the fact that once you start planning and consider using something as a weapon then you are unable to even touch or use it. Egwenes strike was a spur of the moment action, when she thought about using the jug to attack the Sul'Damane she was unable to then even touch it till she accepted she would not use it as a weapon. It would be very hard to lie to yourself well enough to consider a killing blow without triggering that reaction. The best way I think would be simply attempting to withhold your abilities during a dangerous situation. Although I don't think they used the Damane in battle till they were fully trained so you would need to hide the fact that you had not been broken which appeared to be very difficult.

Sure seemed like you were defending it, at the very least you were granting it far more acceptance when the reasons for the actions are identical. Religion (and atheism for that matter) can appear in movies and stories I just don't see the need for it to be an active inclusion policy. You choose what you believe in and you should be judged on what those things use as a framework for their beliefs, teachings and actions. That is why I said before that I think that inclusion should be limited to innate traits. I am assuming you are against inclusion for those Malaysian typ4 extremists yet as you said before You talk about close minded yet you have been abundantly keen throughout this to peg me as a christo facist bigot

Twisting of words does not make for a good argument you are correct. You choose to attack a fringe sect of Islam for what you deem as being misguided yet then defend Judaism for male circumcision hiding behind a medical argument. Pretending that they are performing this for medical reasons is a completely disingenuous argument. They are doing it for the exact same reason that the Malaysian muslims are because they believe that their god wants them too. Marriage is not hard it's simply informed consent. You again seem to think I am a christian for some unknown reason despite my clear and unmissable criticism of their teaching in my previous posts. I would more accurately describe my thoughts on religion as following those of Dawkins, Fry, Harris, Hitchens and company.

It's not just fringe and extremist religions that teach homophobia, transphobia, genocide and genital mutilation its all the major ones as well. I don't see why your choice to follow those beliefs needs to be included in an inclusion policy. You falsely claimed that samt equated skin color to child mutilation yet are happy to include religions that practices exactly this act to this day. Most of this has been about getting a definition for what people deem as inclusion and if you look back you have been the one name calling. I would like for you to find a quote from me arguing against inclusion on gender, race or sexual lines.

Ok so religion is in so that means that you are in fact in favour of inclusion of views that support genital mutilation, homophobia, transphobia and genocide. I think that for the purposes of the definition of inclusion taken in this setting it should be for a person's innate traits only. Everything beyond this is selective. You choose to be a christian, nazi, racist or scientologist. If there is a demonstrated and demonstrably unfair bias against a group I have no issue with attempts to redress that imbalance. Your read that I am right wing or on the conservative side of politics is hilariously incorrect.

I think accusing him of that is a stretch. It seems to me that the main sticking point is the definition of inclusion. Do you for example include religion in your definition as expat does above?

Well that clears it up inclusion is not bad except when it is.

might want to have a talk with the Jack Reacher fans about that.

Really not sure about the outfit they have Mat wearing. And the extra is the same guy in the 2 different shots of Nyn and the group of 3 both times standing arms held outraised with different things in his hands. Does not look very natural.

I thought possibly training but both the cross guards look distinctly more metallic and Lan's sword blade certainly looks much more like metal.

The only thing that really stood out to me from those pictures was I really hate the look of the sword that Rand is using. That is really nothing like the impression I got of his swords in the books. It's very short not curved looks like it is very blunt. It also looks kind of a bit like plastic.

The books take is so much more chilling and hard hitting that the shows though. Abused slaves compared to the trained animals and the inevitability of the training turning them into more than willing adherents of the empire. I know which I find to be the more chilling and terrifying of the two.

yep things like the greyhound industry should be shut down.

The Seachan see the Damane as too dangerous to leave uncollared that is one of if not the most important justifications for collaring them, they see them certainly as far more dangerous than the Grolm before collaring. There was almost no indication in the books and none that I can remember in the tv show that any Sul'Damane were wavering from the core belief that the Damane needed to be collared, The only divergences came from differing beliefs on best training practices things like using more rewards or less punishments or pairing with experienced Damane. I am not counting any somewhat conversions that happened post learning of their ability to channel, hell a number of the captured Sul'Dmane argued and fought to be collared when they learnt they could channel.

Melindhra age will be significantly older than in the books then. Even if she was a baby at the fall of Malkier that would make her the same age as Lan at the youngest.

Its a fairly heavy handed method to show it. You already have collars, torture, imprisonment and the way the Sul'Damane treat them did we really need another. And again with the training basically turning the Damane into more than happy accomplices it is unrequired and presents issues.