I was responding specifically to elders post as you can see it quoted. He was taking about churches in our world as was I. On this note the blacks have almost certainly killed the local marriage celebrant which is probably a priest or someone of local significance, usually someone of some importance and that will be missed. You think whitecloaks occupying the city is going to make it less likely for a mob to take retribution on a small group of women? Well maybe in this world where they recommend Aes Sedai healing it might. Or is it likely that people would run and tell said whitecloaks. The blacks took over a palace they did not kill everyone including people who did not reside in the palace. They kept the owner under their thumb and visible so not missing and they then became guests. What i would describe as a good hiding place. But no the showrunners wanted their own GoT wedding slaughter. And a humanising moment for Liandrin saving the girl no matter that she killed many other women who could possibly be in the same situations.

We are also engaging in wish fulfilment to protect the show. We are deliberately trying to make the item as useless and difficult as possible. Most people when they are making something attempt to make it as good and useful as possible rather than the opposite.

So many issues to get through here. Firstly the examples you are using are ethnic cleansing by military groups. If you massacre the entire town no one in the town will be care about what happened because they are dead. And do you seriously think that no who was a relative or friend or even a poster on a fantasy forum would not care that it had happened? Can they necessarily do something about it maybe not? Do you seriously think that in a community were militants have killed 30 people in a church that a significant portion of the remaining community does not care. Bullshit. Maybe they don't have the arms or forces to deal with it but they bloody well care about it. If the community around the wedding house does not know the sisters are Aes Sedai, which I am assuming you believe, then they would have no hesitation in going after them as they would assume that mass numbers vs 7 women would be an easy prospect. If they know they are Aes Sedai I don't think any ruler in randland would allow the murder of 30 members of their country without at least sending a message to the Amiryln at the least or even possibly sending in the army to capture or kill them or force them to leave. Emonds field roused a mob to get rid of Moiraine despite the fact she had helped them and you think it ridiculous that something similar could occur after 30 deaths. Come on man. Again there is no community on this planet where you could kill 30 people and no would care about it.

It seems like a shame they did not work in the disintegration as a threads being pulled apart theme.

What world are you actually living in? The odds that you could kill 30 people in any community on earth and nobody would care is 0%. @Kaleb @DigificWriter @Turin Turambar The only question is could you do something about it. We have multiple reports in the books of people forming mobs and such when confronted by scenarios that are not one tenth extreme as 30 people disappearing. The ownership of the house or the shady nature of the location is not going to matter to a son, daughter father or mother of one of the attendees. Are all of you telling me that if your son, daughter, mother or father suddenly disappeared that you would not care at all just because it was a shady part of town. This does not even include more casual acquaintances like best friends' people who work for you people you owe money to all of these have good reason to question what has happened.

protecting her lair does not mean protecting the blacks the blacks "plan" cannot encompass moggy

That did not feel like a joke Thats my point. That assumes that they know who the spies are which is by no means a certainty.

ah ok my bad.

I just listed those 2 as examples of compulsion. I am fairly sure it's the Moggy scene i quoted where i got the impression that it was verbal commands after opening up the suggestive state. very sorry for making you read. lol

Could you provide some examples out of basically all of them. Book 1 where they don't talk to Moiraine I feel is unfair as they don't fully trust her and they do in fact consult Thom for advice a very adult conversation to a complicated problem. Later books Rand and Moiraine have communication issues due to a lack of trust. But I am struggling to find how basically all the other problems in the series could have been resolved with a bit more communication? You guys have a go at me for finding problems in the show but I seriously wonder how some of you ever really enjoyed the books with the amount of issues you bring up about them.

Well not exactly the book has no ter'angreal that allows travel within Randland in the same manner as travelling. I assume this is because of the need to either know the place of departure or destination and is also why I believe that the show version would require a possible anchor at one end or the other. Portal stones are actually close but those I think are part of a closed loop and have some of the multiworld stuff going on with them. Again simply finding something that could explain it from in book does not lessen the horrible misuse. None of the current Aes Sedai had the power to use them either. Redstone doorways take you to a different world so are a different thing entirely. The fact that there are 2 access points linking to 1 anchor point provides the possibility that you could potentially have 3 distinct locations to travel too. Imagine just from an information perspective the incredible advantage of being able to get todays spy information from Tear and Cairhein while remaining in TV. Even just one point is an incredible advantage not too be wasted on a hook up pad.

If you did not notice Moggy you did not have the screen on. The black ajah has no idea she is a forsaken and thus could not count on her helping them out. Stretching how important they are? Even criminals and low lives have friends and family and acquaintances people who they owe money too. And honestly you have zero idea how important those guests are absolutely none, for all we know one of them could be dating someone important and they brought them as there plus one. There could be an important gang member or guild leader there we have no idea, you have no idea. I assume that there was someone performing the marriage ceremony. They are most likely just general folks with varying but because of the number extensive link to the local community. You are also claiming it is an area where 30+ people can disappear without question yet the Ajah spy network is deeply embedded in it. If the Ajah network is embedded there the blacks cover is 1 pigeon away from being blown by your reckoning. Because if they are there 30 people dissapearing and 7 women moving in would probably be the biggest information just about ever there and that is if they have not received rough description of the hunted.

I don't find the idea of a ter'angreal that could facilitate travel incredibly surprising. It's the consequences of said item that are the issue. If you have access to such an item it alters the world as it's value is immense.

Some of those limiters maybe valid. At the moment however the only information we have is that they can physically transport to the FFH and it must have been targeted to that location. 1 Seems unlikely having 2 separate entry portals and they require channeling at both at the same time seems very niche. If you had the ability to make a ter'angreal that functions as this one does why would you limit it in this manner? 2 Having an anchor point for the destination is entirely possible even likely I think. This however does not address the problem that they are using it for a selfish reason rather than to further their goals of saving the world. 3 See 1 4 If the gateway as such works without time limitations from TV it feels a strange rule that the other end functions differently. 5 See 2. This did not have to be an issue if the meeting was in the dream world it would have solved so many of the problems, but I believe the showrunners wanted so desperately to be able to say the sex actually occurred in the flesh they compromised the worldbuilding to achieve it. I genuinely enjoy having discussions like these examining the inner workings of a world I care deeply for is interesting and fun. No one wishes more than me that I was finding enjoyment from this show rather than fault. The level of excitement when I found out my favourite books where going to be on the screen was off the charts.

I did say it is not impossible for the blacks to make it work I'm not sure the blacks have the ability to use compulsion the ability they use on the bride sounded like purely a memory wipe. If they could use compulsion surely they would have used it on the bride. If you are memory wiping and killing every person that comes calling it will just raise more questions. Is it really a massive stretch to imagine in randland a witch hunt scenario when a group of 7 women move into a house and 30 to 40 people suddenly disappear from the area and who were together in that house.

A compulsive need to pick apart any one element of a story is, to me, an indicator that some distance needs to be put between the person who is feeling said need and the story itself Hardly complementary and about me and not the content. Word of God is still not content based information. Expecting people to have such information from an external source is not fair. As for your example I watched the entire Buffy and Angel runs and had no idea till you just mentioned it that Faith had a second name. It is also a poor comparison as Faith's second name has no world altering effects on the actual content. Using external sources to fill in story holes is terrible writing and TV practice.

I'm not sure but Tanchico had a ruler in the books and most rulers have some form of law enforcement be it efficient or corrupt. It's more those close to the 30 or 40 dead that i question not enquiring what happened. There did not appear to be any children present I think which is a bit weird but at least some of those present would have left children with people to be looked after you would think those people are going to try and return the kids. If there were kids i am assuming that the blacks did not kill them Liandrin freed the bride after all. dumping a load of mind washed kids out would cause question. It's all going to be a bit messy is all, not saying that the black sisters cannot deal with it but it is going to cause issues.

That might work for some of the people. But if your son, daughter, or parents had been invited to the wedding or your best friend even maybe those people are going to want to know what happened pretty much regardless or if not them directly they will go to whatever authorities are available.

And again you resort to attacking me. People pick apart the show and the books constantly I have seen people claiming that the choice of Liandrin to wear a red dress with black streaks was her proudly declaring her allegiance to the black ajah in the Hall. There was a multiple page conversation on the 3 oaths after the end of season 2. Fantasy and sci fi and renowned for exactly these types of discussion. It is not a very deep rabbit hole when you are using a Ter'angreal to travel across the entire world instantly in a world where travel is limited to horseback or ships at it's fastest. It damages the characters who have devoted their entire lives to finding the Dragon Reborn to use such an amazing device solely for their own gratification. And again as to your rant at people not accepting the established nature of the FFH the show has never actually confirmed the knowledge in the show it is entirely unfair to blame people for not having seen the showrunner in an external interview give that knowledge. How is it not conductive it is part of the show. I agreed with your guess that the Aes Sedai was Liandrin but in no way at the moment does that theory damage the story as much as the FFH manages to do for such a poor reason as to allow a sex scene to take place. Assuming that it was not just a throwaway line from Moiraine then my next guesses in order would have to be Elaidia or Cadsuane.

I did suggest it could be a ter'angreal in an edit to one of my earlier posts.

Yes but in the books they could always tie off weaves in the show only the forsaken have that ability at the moment. Eladia or Alviarin attempt to open Siuan box in the books and the contents are destroyed.

That could be right, the only thing I would add is that the flows looked to be fire not the best thing for manipulating a locking mechanism. I am assuming we will find out later this season or early next. If I was guessing though I think we will see the contents get turned to ash. If you had to guess do you think we will get a complicated lock and the contents exposed or a flash of fire? The other option would be that the chest is a Ter'angreal and the weaves lock it and when not correctly opened the contents are destroyed. See i do try and come up with things that support show desicions.

The weave that Siuan channeled into the Box in her study to protect it would that not have to be a tied off weave which I thought was not possible for show Aes Sedai.

@DigificWriter I am fairly sure this is going to make you mad. The FFH is a clear and unambiguous example of bad writing. It is classic style over substance. The showrunners wanted so badly for the lovers to have a sex scene in a fishing hut that they decided they were going to invent an item to physically transport them to it no matter the consequence of said item to the world they were building. They introduced an item that allows targeted travel across the world simply to facilitate that scene. Since part of the item is located in the tower there is not even any need for them to leave the tower to have a secret hookup as shown by Verins ability to make holes in the wall, with this ability the lovers could secretly meet up in the tower almost at will.

Sorry it was Mat that yelled it but Rand sat there like nothing had happened. A male channeler sitting in the heart of Aes Sedai power being called the Dragon and he just sits there grinning.