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  1.   On 7/14/2025 at 3:35 AM, Samt said:

    It’s stated that GC is always significantly older than Birgitte.  When she is ripped out, this is not a normal life as she appears as an adult with an understanding of who she is and remembers some of her past lives. She dies and will then be able to be born normally, although presumably not for years at GC is only a baby at the end of the series.  

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    I am fairly sure she is being reborn at the conclusion of the Last Battle her final discussion with Elayne says as much I think.

     

     After the battle she says farewell to Elayne, feeling that her rebirth to flesh is imminent and looking forward to finding Gaidal again

     

    From the wiki

  2.   On 7/12/2025 at 2:32 AM, Radauja said:

    Just started book 7 and part way through the prologue! Current thoughts:

     

    - The story would be much shorter and there would be less pain and strife if the core five simply trusted eachother and shared their secrets - truly can’t understand why they don’t but I guess it’s a side affect of the times and culture 

     

    #braindump 

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    Rand and Perrin in particular have a large dose of distaste for their abilities which leads to them being very guarded. Rand has major trust issues and intensely resents being controlled which is not that unfair as everyone is constantly trying to do so. the girls growing ties to the organisations that are leading this effort also do not help.

  3.   On 7/9/2025 at 11:30 AM, Sabio said:

    I just think if it was true that RJ would've left it in some notes,   Time runs different, but you can't be living in the dream world and walking about in the real world at the same time.

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    In the wiki it said that there were some fan theories that Birgitte being ripped out had led to Cain being spun out but it did not elaborate on what they were. I seem to remember that Birgitte said to Nyn shortly before her removal that she had not seen Cain for some time which is strange as they had been meeting regularly in what was a small amount of time.

     

  4.   On 7/2/2025 at 9:49 PM, Sabio said:

    It would be impossible for Cain to be Olver.  Regardless of time running different in the dream world, Cain's soul can't be in the dream world as his body is walking about in the real world for years.  Just like Elayne's kids will be born too late to be Cain.  Even in the Companion there is no mention of Olver/Cain being the same.  

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    I don't think it is impossible when there is already a difference in time within the dream and outside things that bend time like balefire and time distortion due to the bore exist.

     

    My main thought that he could be Cain is the constant reminders of the fact he is unattractive and that he is getting an incredible amount of training from the members of the Band.

     

    Severely doubt that even if it was true it will ever be confirmed, could be possible thread that was dropped at some point.

  5.   On 7/4/2025 at 3:18 PM, Maximillion said:

    I would have started the show with Tam and Rand making their way to town.

    Just leave out the prologue and it's all there in the books in terms of unfolding the story.

     

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    The issue with that for me is that if you look at how the book unfolded there is little explanation on the taint and the state of Saidan without the prologue. Brief mentions from Fain and a little around Camelyn with Logain do not adequately cover it IMO.

  6.   On 6/27/2025 at 2:40 PM, Kaleb said:

    Highly dubious assertion. Your account was started after the show was cancelled, and I have seen every post on this board since that time and nothing even close to that took place. Maybe you were banned on another account and that's what you're referencing, but from what I've seen for the past four years the mods here do a great and very fair job.

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  7.   On 6/26/2025 at 6:24 PM, king of nowhere said:

    this is a really bad thing to say.

    this forum doesn't ban people on opinions, and there are posters on both sides of the argument. every discussion I've seen has been civil and respectful. nobody is banned for expressing opinions respectfully.

     

    what kind of people are chased off by civil discussion?

    I guess those that would like a discussion to be something like 

    Yes, I can see how such people would be put off by a civil discussion. 

    And frankly, such people should reexhamine their life and try to find some purpose - if they need their safe space to hate something as harmless as a tv show without contradictory, there's something deeply wrong with them.

    people tend to congregate with those of similar opinions, and to an extent it's unavoidable and positive. But when people can't stand having someone challenge - respectfully and with arguments, no less! - their opinion on a tv show, it goes too far. it means those people can't think and can't form reasoned opinions.

     

    Even in the best case, some of those people are simply there to vent some rage at the world in general. some people go to the gym and punch a mattress to unwind after work, some people go on the internet and rage at random stuff. 

    even in that best case, i'd argue those people's opinion do not count, as they are merely venting - just like the guy in the gym punching a punching ball is doing it because it makes him feel good, not because he really wants to punch someone.

    Hopefully.

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    I am going to ask why you have placed those statements that appear to be totally made up in quotes as if they actually exist on this forum.

  8.   On 6/26/2025 at 12:22 PM, LTL said:

     Yeah Mailman, I know you love the show but you really gotta stop doing this.

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    You got me I am the king of making excuses for the adaption I am famous for it on here. LOL

     

      On 6/26/2025 at 11:33 AM, WoTwasThat said:


    Lol ok bub. You do you. It was a joke. But like all good humor premised in a kernel of truth. The “X is much better at talking to girls” is a running gag throughout the early books. I think I counted it at least 6 or 7 times in my recent reread of EOTW.

     

    As for the rest of your point, again, this is how books are adapted to screen. You replace inner narrative with dialogue. It isn’t that hard when you have an ensemble cast on a journey. And WOT - at least the early books - does not have an inordinate amount of internal dialogue. (The internal dialogue gets much worse when all the Aes Sedai skirt smoothing / politicking really picks up in the later books and, guess what, that should have been massively trimmed in the show). Pretending this was hard or unusual is just dumb. You’re making excuses for a bad adaptation. 

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    I did not say they did it well or that it was impossible i took affront to you saying that the internal dialogue in the EOTW was largely useless and almost entirely consisted of a single thing which was blatantly untrue.

     

    There are very few people on this board who are more critical than me of the way the "adaption" was handled.

  9.   On 6/25/2025 at 3:26 PM, WoTwasThat said:


    Obviously I was exaggerating for comedic effect. But there really isn’t any internal dialogue that’s all that important in EOTW. If so, name it. 

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    I don't really think you did it for comedic effect and if so it was a total failure. It is still an absolutely insane overexaggeration.

     

    Rand and Perrin IMO were the 2 characters that benefited most from internal dialogue in EOTW. Rand with his father issues and Perrin with the wolves and violence. Would it be impossible to do that work in another way absolutely not. Establishing both these narratives is absolutely core to their characters. Could it be done with just a few lines I highly doubt it as this would leave it feeling incredibly shallow. The almost complete removal of Tam from Rands storyline is a terrible disservice to the original story.

     

    Does RJ repeatedly have the boys thinking their friends are more accomplished at talking to women yes, however it is usually a single line only and then moved past.

  10.   On 6/25/2025 at 2:51 AM, WoTwasThat said:


    The internal dialogue in EOTW is pretty limited and generally useless. It’s about 90% one boy wishing he could talk to girls as well as Matt/Rand/Perrin.

     

    The internal dialogue expands in later books when we start getting more female POVs… and it’s still pretty useless. 

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    Rubbish. 90% is an insanely epic over exaggeration. I would wager that just the internal dialogue for Perrin during the raven's pursuit completely outweighs the entire books wishing they could talk to the girls segments.

  11.   On 6/24/2025 at 8:43 PM, Kaleb said:

    I absolutely thought the same thing. The increasing griminess would be another way to show the Dark One's touch on the world, to make it feel like the world is falling apart and the situation is becoming more and more hopeless. 

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    Not sure about that Emonds Field was basically a dank hovel in the show absolutely nothing like the image I had from the books.

  12.   On 6/22/2025 at 1:43 PM, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

    I am not sure that citing insanity for characters acting irrationally is a great plot device. I mean sure, but why not have characters act coherently at this crucial point in the narrative? It seems a strange choice. Having three duels will always seem a weird point - a single duel was a rather arbitrary way to end Demandred given the context - three would seem to need a really important function in the narrative to make sense, and for me, there wasn't.

     

    I could be wrong but at least for Lan it clearly said in my memory that Lan was easily the better swordsman, but he was exhausted, so not performing as well.

     

    And there was so much wrong with the battle. The Shadow had had great effect dividing their forces and driving deep into friendly territory, yet when on the brink of victory, agreed to meet the forces of the Light in one pitched battle, allowing the Light simultaneously fight at Merrilor and Shayol Ghul without people desrting to protect their own homelands. Pike formations sliced apart with balefire is not some kind of minor inconvenience, Mat's army would have collapsed at that point, not bravely fought on, without a formation pikes are utterly useless. Sending the Seanchan away did nothing. Demandred did not alter his plan and it had no effect on the battle except limiting how Mat could use them as a tactical reserve. The aping of Austerlitz where they lose the heights and then retake them was not explained at all - why was this a good idea? How could they suddenly have the troops to fight on another front? Using the villagers from Hyam(?) to defend the dam was a great little idea, explaining why Mat would not properly reinforce them, but having them retake it was nonsensical. How could they have overpowered Dreadlords? How would the troops defending the dam even have known they were the same people back from dead? Why during the Last Battle would they be so shocked that they would not have fought back but just let themselves be killed without raising a finger? It's like the Ateam where they make a custard gun and all the bad guys stand about saying "oh I'm covered in custard" until they get arrested and completely forget they are still holding M60s and the Ateam have, well, a custard gun. None of the battle made sense to me at all. Not the tactical moves, not how they protected the troops from the One Power, not Mat's great plan... Add in the duels, Bela's death, the disgusting Olver being made a hero, the heroes explaining they might be immortal and all powerful but the bad guys might tie them up and hide them in a cupboard somewhere (thanks Brandon! some magic is better left soft), Egwene's death and creation (and naming! while dying and not telling anyone?) of the Flame of Tar Valon, the weirdness with Logain who rescued refugees rather than confronting Taim... For me it was just a disaster from start to finish. 

     

    The only thing I can say in its defense is compared to how bad endings of long series can be, it wasn't that bad, all things considered. Oh and Thom and Moiraine, lol. And Alvara helping Rand live again or whatever Min's viewing said by laying out clean underwear for him. Actually when I think about, let's have Demandred have three duels in the middle of the battle for no reason doesn't seem that bad in comparison.

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    Some parts where not perfect the villagers taking out the Dam defenders never felt right unless they had a massive numerical advantage (fairly sure that they had added some soldiers to just the basic villagers). It is possible that Demandred thought he had sufficient numbers there. No need to keep the channeler Mat left behind in the dark about the plan though.

     

    Lan definitely said that Demandred was the better swordsman it was caveated by saying it might have been different if he was not as tired as he was but both fighters definitely stated that Demandred was the superior at that moment.

     

    Olver was not made into a hero. I think he might have been a young Gaidal Cain but it is not confirmed to the best of my knowledge. Felt that was a long build up the constant talking about how ugly he was and how Birgette was attracted to ugly men.

     

     

     

     

  13.   On 6/21/2025 at 1:42 PM, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

    I don't see that for me this really clarifies anything. Demandred had Mat beaten, all of Mat's battle skills were useless, why have them if he was just going to dumb luck his way through it all? His stratagems seemed completely ineffective and the whole set-up of making Demandred bet heavily on a losing hand never seemed to actually come to fruition. Three duels just seemed to be pointless as well, putting them down to ta'veren seems rather unsatisfactory. Why not just have Demandred fall from his horse? What was the actual point of making the duels such a central point of the battle?

     

    Though maybe you should not listen to me, there is very little I liked about the ending to the series. The battle with the Demandred and the Sharans high on the list of those things that I did not like. I don't think any of it made any sense to me at all.

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    I don't think Mats skills were useless, the battle was a close run thing and could have fallen either way no matter Demandreds eventual fate excluding his channeling but that was negated as he did not want to tire himself and expose himself to a counterattack from Rand who he believed was present.

     

    The lights forces were the underdog and Mat had to keep the battle going till he hoped he got a chance to tilt it in his favour.

     

    The duels while foolish were a symptom of Demandreds arrogance and pathological need to best Rand/LTT to prove he was the better man. Also in his defence he established in each of the duels pretty early that he was the better swordsman. I would have had Lan die from his wound if it was up to me.

  14.   On 6/20/2025 at 1:16 PM, Dedicated said:

    My favorite comedic scenes involve Mat. Him constantly trying to get away from the pull of the pattern, him clumsily presenting himself before the Wise Ones to ask permission to enter that special space of Ter'angerals and doing a poor imitation of Rand's request.

     

    But one of my favorites is when Zen Rand goes before the Seanchan court accompanied by Mat who is skittish and afraid shit is going to go down and Rand starts singing the Song to make plant life start growing around them and everyone is freaking out. But Mat is sitting there tapping his foot along to the beat and is like, "I know this song.. is that [insert random song title]" and Rand is whispers back, "you're not helping." 🤣

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    Mats letter to Elayne was great as well.

     

  15.   On 6/17/2025 at 7:04 AM, Blueberry said:

    Updates: 

    • Fans have organized for an airplane to carry a banner across the sky tomorrow afternoon in California in their efforts to #SaveWoT

    • They're also sending personalized physical letters to a suggested list of recipients from the #SaveWoT website. My favourite so far was a leather mail slip with an entire engraved map of Randland. 

     

     

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    California might have something slightly more important going on atm.

  16.   On 6/16/2025 at 1:27 PM, nsmallw said:

    The contract between Sony and Amazon was for three seasons, so they had to do at least that many, breaking a contract is more messy than having to re-negotiate one.  Plus, "Jordan Studios" was ended post season three, so having to not only do new contracts for actors, production team etc, they had to get new a new site for the in-studio parts.  Too bad they didn't get a contract for five seasons, as ROP was able to,  I think Rafe and co. could have come closer to semi satisfying ending with two more seasons. 

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    Thinking rafe could adequately finish the series in 16 more episodes is hopelessly optimistic. Even if he actually had the skills to tell a good story in the first place reducing the rest of the series to 16 episodes would be basically impossible for the very best screenwriters in history.

     

    It truly is time that writers rooms got cut back massively far too many cooks are spoiling far too much.

  17.   On 6/13/2025 at 5:36 AM, Sabio said:

    That is the big problem, 10 minutes of a 1-hour show setting up just what's going on?

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    I am not saying time limitations are not a major issue but 10 minutes for set up is hardly excessive. It must also be remembered that the release was 3 episodes in one go so that is close to 3 hours, hiding a bit of extra groundwork in that timeframe is not as noticeable as the standalone releases.

  18.   On 6/11/2025 at 9:57 PM, Jake Sykwalker said:

    I'm not sure where you get that.  If a 19 year old gets involved with a 17 year old it won't be pretty for the 19 year old in legal terms.  Not saying I agree or disagree, but 18 years old is a line drawn in many places and societies.  That 100% does exist in many jurisdictions.  

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    Thats certainly not true under most of Australia's consent laws. There is going to be variation across different countries though.

  19.   On 6/8/2025 at 5:21 PM, Sabio said:

    I just read that Amazon is looking to make a Warhammer 40k series. The speculation is this is part of the reason WOT was canceled as Amazon didn't wish to pay so much for another fantasy middle age type series.  This would have their series spread out with ROP, Fallout, Reacher then Warhammer 40k.  ROP was signed for 5 seasons so they can't nix that, plus as it described ROP gives Amazon much more in the way of possible spin off chances.  Something WOT was limited in unless they wished to do the New Spring book.

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      On 6/8/2025 at 6:02 PM, Bodewhin said:

    If memory serves Warhammer 40K has been in development with Amazon ever since Henry Cavill left The Witcher (in fact, I believe he started pushing for the project before exiting) - I'm surprised it had any bearing on WOT since it's been a project in negotiation for a long time - but maybe Amazon was looking to cut corners and save some cash?

     

    ROP definitely locked 5 seasons from get-go as part of the agreement, it's honestly astounding that Amazon hasn't found a loophole out of it - it must really be a tight legal contract - or like you say, they're holding out being able to produce more LOTR fanfiction in the coming years, and see it as long term profitable. 

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    RoP numbers did not fall off a cliff like WoTs numbers either.

    WoT s1e1-3 1.15B

    Wot s2e1-3 515M

    WoT s3e1-3 534M

     

    RoP s1e1-3 1.25B

    RoP s2e1-3 1.015B

     

     

  20.   On 6/5/2025 at 1:38 PM, Samt said:

    I’ve simply stated that I was confused.  Explaining that I shouldn’t have been doesn’t change the fact that I was.  
     

    Moreover, your explanation seems to acknowledge the fact that the prologue doesn’t really explain much.  It builds the mystery and sense of history.  It doesn’t tell us who the characters are or how they relate to what happens in chapter 1.  
     

    Also, claiming that it quickly becomes clear who the characters of the prologue are in the present story is simply not true.  It takes a few books before it is clear that the Baalzamon of the early books is actually Ishmael from the prologue and not the dark one himself.  Rand being LTT is perhaps clear sooner, but it’s not until Zen Rand that the relationship between the two halves is really resolved.  

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      On 6/5/2025 at 1:55 PM, Elder_Haman said:

    Exactly!! 
    I found the prologue incomprehensible the first time I read it too. 

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    And I was simply explaining why I did not think it was confusing.

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