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Terez

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  1. I think he learned about this at the end of Knife of Dreams. It's possible he doesn't know that Tuon is now Empress Fortuona, but he knows what happened to her family.

    He did not (we have no indication that Tuon learned of it before she entered Ebou Dar; certainly, she knew nothing of it when she left Mat, and decided to remove the veil), and to the best of my knowledge, still doesn't.

     

    He knows; Thom told Moiraine he married the Empress. I don't remember where they learned it, though; Tuon learned of it after she left Mat.

  2. As to Siuan and the a'dam, everything I might've quoted was mentioned already (Siuan's inability to touch the Source, Leane's inability to exact control over Moghedien). Suttree, I do think you're going overboard by dismissing an obvious difference, like it or not, between the two designs. Intended or not, it's definitely there, and more than once (Egwene did make it her practice not to wear the bracelet sometimes). However, I concur with Terez, that there's absolutely no hint of the differences being relevant to who can or cannot utilize the a'dam, and in what fashion.

     

    And you might say Brandon confirmed it too.

    I wouldn't say that. It might definitely be confirmation that Perrin shall be King (or Prince Consort, I guess), but not of the fact that he wouldn't need Faile alive to ascend.

     

    Yeah, I wasn't quite getting the original poster's intention. And then fikkie annoyed me by trying to pretend that all monarchies work the same way. I think that if Faile ascends to the throne, Perrin will ascend with her, and that if she dies, especially if they have children, he will remain king because of the co-ruler set-up in Saldaea. I don't think it's incredibly likely that Faile will die before the end of the series, but I suppose the person who asked might have been looking for evidence that she won't die, in which case I approve. I don't think Perrin could ascend without Faile's claim, especially since they don't have children.

  3. They were, however, able to sense emotions through it like a link, which Setalle apparently cannot do.

     

    There is no evidence in Mat's point of view one way or the other.

     

    Except that Setalle didn't react at all to putting it on—nothing like Siuan and Leane did, anyway. And why should she? But the point is that Siuan and Leane did feel something, despite not being able to actually use the a'dam.

     

    And Siuan and Leane where asked to participate by someone that knew what an a'dam could do.

     

    And Mat was watching Setalle like a hawk in hopes that she could use it. He was, in fact, freaking out a little about the possibility that she couldn't. If Setalle had felt anything through the a'dam, she would have reacted.

     

    They were also questioned as to what they could sense. Siuan wasn't exactly forth coming about it.

     

    How is this not forthcoming?

     

    Siuan eyed her stubbornly for a moment – Light, but the woman could be obstinate! – before closing the bracelet around her wrist. A look of wonder came onto her face immediately, then her eyes narrowed at Marigan. "She hates us, but I knew that. And there’s fear, and... Shock. Not a glimmer on her face, but she’s shocked to her toes. I don’t think she believed I could use this thing, either."

     

    Setalle had no idea at the time what wearing the a'dam would be like so had no reason to confirm or deny that she could sense the green.

     

    No reason to deny, but plenty of reason to confirm.

     

    Also, Siuan and Leane were wearing a modified a'dam, not an original.

     

    It was an exact copy except the lack of chain connecting collar and bracelet. Otherwise it works exactly the same; Elayne removed the chain because she knew it wasn't part of the ter'angreal's function. (That's really grasping at straws, by the way.)

  4. They were, however, able to sense emotions through it like a link, which Setalle apparently cannot do.

     

    There is no evidence in Mat's point of view one way or the other.

     

    Except that Setalle didn't react at all to putting it on—nothing like Siuan and Leane did, anyway. And why should she? But the point is that Siuan and Leane did feel something, despite not being able to actually use the a'dam.

  5. If Tenobia, Bashere, and Faile die, would Perrin become King of Saldea?

     

    Yes, though it's not necessary for Faile to die. This was confirmed in the glossary of TOM. You also might say it was confirmed by Verin back in TSR:

     

    "Could I only split myself into three, I would latch one onto each of you and follow you every moment of the day and night even if I had to marry you."

     

    "I already have a wife." It felt odd, saying that. Odd, and good. He had a wife, and she was safe.

     

    She shattered his moment of reverie. "Yes, you do. But you do not know what marrying Zarine Bashere means, do you?" She reached up to turn his axe in its loop on his belt, studying it. "When are you going to give this up for the hammer?"

     

    Staring at the Aes Sedai, he reined Stepper back a pace, pulling the axe out of her hands, before he knew it. What marrying Faile meant? Give up the axe? What did she mean? What did she know?

     

    And you might say Brandon confirmed it too.

     

     

    You're not living in a monarchy, are you?

     

    Not sure why you think all monarchies should follow the same rules as the Dutch one, since there have been varying approaches to succession in European history alone.

  6. He never liked killing women, but he didn't start going really crazy over it until he started remembering Ilyena. At that point he became a little desperate to prove to himself that he wasn't as bad as the Kinslayer. In TDR, he knew he was being hunted, and had a good idea that the woman was a Darkfriend. Crazy enough to kill her on a hunch, but not yet crazy because of Lews Therin's memories.

  7. We hear about the 'forced circles' when Seaine and Co. coerce Talene into withdrawing the BA Oaths in KoD.

     

    It was also in the first edition glossary of ACOS (though it was removed in later editions), it was hinted at in TPOD by Moridin (involuntary rings, though some thought that referred to the a'dam), and the study of forced linking that Sareitha mentioned (also in TPOD) was mentioned in RJ's notes.

  8. When Rand and co. first meet the WO, I think, they say that a man may only enter Rhuidean once, a woman twice; any more, and death finds you. But:

    • They weren't speaking of actually entering Rhuidean, they meant the ter'angreal, I think. Clearly, if a woman could pass through the unnatural cloud cover twice, then so can a man (besides, Rand entered it twice, before it was broken). The only reason one would have to enter Rhuidean more than the alloted number of times would've been to enter one of the ter'angreal again. And that could've been fatal enough times to make them believe it's necessarily so. Which one? My thoughts are, perhaps those people couldn't face the future Aviendha has, or perhaps she would've died as well had she not tuned the columns before the second time. I'm assuming the rings ter'angeral doesn't do anything special the second time around, and a man would simply never enter it, so they're not speaking of it.
    • The Ward was around the city itself, not around the ter'angreal. And that, Asmodean entered just fine (which is what I meant).

    So, you see, I don't think the Ward had anything to do with the reason why going to Rhuidean more times than you were allowed used to be fatal.

     

    Not sure if calling what was around the City a Ward is the right word.

    Barrier seems more befitting as we don't know if the barrier was in fact a weaved Ward that was dissipated when Rand and Asmo used an exorbitant amount of the Power or was maintained through a Dreamspike like Ter'angreal that was destroyed or damaged during Rand and Asmo's fighting.

     

    Either way, Lanfear said it was 'shielded', which we know from Rand means the same thing as 'warded'. Whether it was placed there by a person/circle or maintainted by a ter'angreal, the terminology still works.

  9. He could and he has. Nothing stopped people from entering too many times; it just wasn't done (I always assumed those who tried died, so the Aiel stopped doing it).

     

    Regarding Else, it's possible that Lanfear knew nothing of Mat's familiarity with the girl, and didn't want to expose herself. Considering that what she did also gained her his suspicion, I would also propose that it might've been Mesaana, before she settled on a better disguise.

     

    Yeah, I've said the same for years, and I even asked Erica Sadun about this report because I thought she might possibly have been suffering from confirmation bias in the wording of that answer, since everyone apparently believed it was Lanfear.

     

    It's not assumed, it's said by Wise Ones a number of times That you would die entering more than the allotted amount of times.

     

    Where?

  10. I own the audiobook of ToM, which doesn't include the glossary. Does anyone know if there is a legal e-book verion that is free, or do I have to buy the whole book to get access to it?

    Well, there's this. I think it's legal. Actually, I have no idea, I just assume the wiki project is 'on-the-level' enough not to do it otherwise.

     

    Or this. Which was approved by Maria. And I try not to make assumptions about the Wiki any more. Recently Peter threw a fit because someone had scraped the Wiki and tried to sell Brandon's blog posts we had mirrored there. Something about the license the Wiki uses allows everything on it to be published commercially.

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