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Terez

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    where the hell did 'Shaisam'(which I can't help but say as Shazzam! like Beyonce says in the last Austin Powers movie) come frm as a name, did it just get established or have I missed in ToM?

    as far as I can tell it comes out of nowhere

    I could not help noticing that if you take Shaitan, and go back one letter in the alphabet with the 5th and 7th letters you get Shaisam.

     

    Good catch about the similarities between the words, especially the root, 'shai'. I'm wondering if this is another allusion.

     

    Someone on another part of the forums pointed out that Shai is 'Dark' in the Old Tongue, and that Sam is 'Destroyer'. Kind of like SHAIdar Haran. With apparently directly translates to Dark Hand, but is known as Hand of the Dark.

     

    So Dark Destroyer, Destroyer of the Dark. One of those things.

     

    Shadow Destroyer. Probably a reference to the evil of Shadar Logoth, which was designed to combat the Shadow.

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    Except for the fact we have a POV saying how she made sure she could imitate other forsaken and no other POV from any other forsaken suggeting the imitate others.  I thin kthat was BS way of answering the who orded the trolloc raid without coming right out and saying it.

     

    If it is, then it's because he didn't actually know the answer and wanted to make something up. This scene is not evidence of anything, and I don't think Brandon was trying to make it that way.

     

     

    >Sort of like how it was never said straight out Grendel kill Asmo but the hint was placed i

    n TOM.

     

     

    It was said straight out, and the hints in TOM were strong ones, unlike the scene you're talking about which only says that Moghedien, like any of the other Forsaken, knows how to imitate other Forsaken. It's hardly a special skill.

    Well if you want to be technical about it we have no idea if the other forsaken can imitate each other since it is never said.

     

     

    We know it's not a difficult weave, and we've never seen anyone having a problem with it, so it doesn't have to be said.

  3. Except for the fact we have a POV saying how she made sure she could imitate other forsaken and no other POV from any other forsaken suggeting the imitate others.  I thin kthat was BS way of answering the who orded the trolloc raid without coming right out and saying it.

     

    If it is, then it's because he didn't actually know the answer and wanted to make something up. This scene is not evidence of anything, and I don't think Brandon was trying to make it that way.

     

    Sort of like how it was never said straight out Grendel kill Asmo but the hint was placed in TOM.

     

    It was said straight out, and the hints in TOM were strong ones, unlike the scene you're talking about which only says that Moghedien, like any of the other Forsaken, knows how to imitate other Forsaken. It's hardly a special skill.

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    Maybe I missed this in an earlier book, but did we ever get a definitive answer on who ordered the attack on Algarin's manor?

    Moghedien.

     

    That is far from a definitive answer, and I find it pretty unlikely. Moghedien was doing what she wanted in AMOL because she was basically off the hook; at the time of the attack on Algarin's, she was mindtrapped and under Moridin's thumb.

    Unless BS says straight out no one will know for sure.  But since is was someone pretending to be Sam and Mogi 's POV said how she always made sure she could imitate the chosen it seems a great chance it was her.

     

    Any of the other Forsaken could do the same, not to mention a few others. I don't think it's any more likely it was Moghedien than it was before.

  5. Well, RJ always did say that he hated stories that wrapped everything up neatly at the end. I realize most readers aren't familiar with the things he said in interviews and on book tours, but he said that stories like that made it seem as though the world and the characters might as well be on the shelf under a bell jar collecting dust. He didn't want to read the story again, because the characters were no longer living, their lives having been summed up too neatly. It was one of his most repeated lines over the years, and he always talked about how the last scene would have a hook in it, to make readers think there would be a sequel (and for most of those years, he said definitively that there wouldn't be; it wasn't until he got ill that he started talking about outriggers).

  6. Fair enough. The timeline drives me crazy, but partly that's because it's not useful to theorists any more because so much is up in the air, and some of the things that have been fixed call other things into question (for example, can we count on the sky clearing in Rhuidean as a significant timestamp, considering that the same detail was botched in other plotlines?) so I find it easier to ignore it. I figure if Steven Cooper gave up then I should probably give up too. :smile:

  7. Well, the going impression is that the last scene with Rand was intended by RJ to actually be the last scene in the book. But what's interesting is that when Brandon was actually working on the book, he implied that the epilogue material was intended to be 'after the last scene'. I'm not sure if this was a misunderstanding on his part (which was cleared up by Harriet) or whether they decided to make that the last scene just because RJ always said it would be the last scene, and they didn't want to get into a semantics battle with the fans. And no telling whether RJ would have been quite so short with the epilogue stuff if he'd finished it.

     

    http://www.theoryland.com/intvmain.php?i=46#38

     

    Austin Moore (23 September 2011)

    You recently said you were just over 60% finished with A Memory of Light; how much % will RJ's ending take up when you put it in?

    Brandon Sanderson (23 September 2011)

    I'm guessing about 10%.
    Austin Moore
    Is it gonna get slid right in or are you going to adjust it some to fit into how you're leading up to it?
    Brandon Sanderson
    The ending scene will work fine, no changes. I've targeted things that way, as I didn't want the ending scene to change.
    Brandon Sanderson
    However, he left a TON of 'after the end scene' type stuff that is probably epilogue material. That I'll need to modify.
  8. Registered just for this.

     

    Upon close observation, I see what I think to be an extraordinarily major error in the timeline of the book.

     

    There is no timeline. Repeat that to yourself for an hour or two before you attempt to reread the last three books. :wink:

  9. To an extent, yes. I tend to think that the implications of the future would have been stronger and more interesting if RJ had actually managed to finish it. Delivery is not something you can summarize. Even the scenes he actually wrote were in draft form, and those that were dictated needed even more modification. I think we got the bare bones of RJ's story, and a little more. I'm thankful to Brandon for bringing it to us, but it's difficult to judge RJ on a story that is inevitably quite different from what he imagined.

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    How is that unsubtle?

     

    Maybe unsubtle was a bad word. It just felt like he was telling us for the sake of telling us. There was no point to Algarin/Emarin or Baldhere liking men, it just seemed like they told us because they'd promised to tell us. With Elaida and Meidani, and Galina Casban and whatshername, there was a point about telling us. It explained things about the characters' interactions with each other.

     

    So what was the point with Seonid?

     

    "Perhaps I  was mistaken after all," Sulin said dryly. "But I will tell her."  Turning, she paused. "Tell me something. Teryl Wynter and Furen Alharra  are close to Seonid Traighan—like first-brothers with a first-sister; she does not like men as men—yet they offered to take her punishment for her. How could they shame her so?"

     

    How is that any different from Baldhere and Emarin?

     

    With Emarin and Baldhere, mentioning their sexuality added as much to our knowledge of their personality as mentioning that they liked to drink hot chocolate on a rainy day.

     

    And yet it wouldn't bother you if you learned that either liked to drink hot chocolate on a rainy day.

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    Maybe I missed this in an earlier book, but did we ever get a definitive answer on who ordered the attack on Algarin's manor?

    Moghedien.

     

    That is far from a definitive answer, and I find it pretty unlikely. Moghedien was doing what she wanted in AMOL because she was basically off the hook; at the time of the attack on Algarin's, she was mindtrapped and under Moridin's thumb.

  12. It's not explicitly stated in the books; it's just assumed because she'll have a much shorter natural life-span than the channelers, and Brandon implied that Rand would still live centuries. He doesn't know that for sure—RJ didn't leave too much info on the fourth age in the notes—but apparently he thinks there is no reason to assume Rand will not live centuries.

  13. In Avi's vision Rhuidean is a major cultural city for the Aiel. I don't see why the rest of the Aiel would not accept the Shaido back once they met their toh.

     

    All eleven clans have blood feud with the Shaido. It's possible they will work their shit out and become a real clan again but I doubt it.

     

    Something I didn't see mentioned before:

     

    Lanfear and Moghedien's mind-traps? What happened there? Seems like a pretty big puzzle piece to just disappear. Maybe I missed it.

     

    Both were allowed to wear their own mindtraps. They were still bound by them, but not controlled by them so long as no one else was wearing them.

  14. Uh, no.

     

    Aes Sedai = servants of all

     

    Asha'man = guardians

     

    We've known these words since book 6

     

    Incidentally the same book in which that Foretelling was given, and also the dream shared by Bair and Melaine backing it up. The Foretelling made the identity of the three women clear; the dream made Rand's identity clear; the Foretelling made it clear it was after Rand's death; and both implied that the future was dire. The last bit is probably the cheapest, IMO. And on that point...

     

     

    I think you're reading too much into this. The three, Elayne, Avienda, and Min, get on a boat and hunt down Rand. The rest is about the whole Aiel becoming Guardians.

    The boat doesn't have to be literal.

    that is so cheap to me. This is a direct Arthurian reference. If it is not going to be literal then it needs to be explained.

     

    I agree it's pretty cheap. It might not matter much if WoT were a different kind of story, but RJ wrote the books like mystery novels, and he was damn good at it, and this is a glaring exception.

     

    I just think the story was changed to where this is not in it any more.

     

    I doubt it was changed. As a storyteller, why would you do it? But RJ apparently didn't leave any notes on how this prophecy was fulfilled, and there was nothing in his notes about a boat.

  15. Does anyone recall what happened to Moghedien's cour'souvra? She's stroking it in the prologue and thinking about how bad it would be to lose it, but I don't recall any point in the book where she's freed from it. Then at the end she's collared and that's that. Did she get released from it at some point? When the DO was defeated was her soul freed from it? Or is she just royally screwed because the Seanchan are literally going to throw her soul away?

     

    LSL

     

    She was freed from it in the sense that she was given it to wear. So long as no one else is wearing it, they can't control her. But if it's broken presumably she's in bad shape.

  16. As we already said, there is a logical explanation; there were hints she had an affair with her Warder. So it's not the viewing that is the problem; it's the idea that being a Compelled love slave somehow fits. The words come with the viewing, so misinterpretation probably wasn't in it. Some have argued that, because she saw that viewing around Alivia, rather than around Rand, that her proclamation that Alivia would help him die wasn't as ironclad as it would have been if she had seen Rand's death in a viewing of Rand, but that viewing in particular sparked an argument over the words that came with the viewing. Min said Alivia was going to kill him, and Rand reminded her that the words that came with the viewing were that Alivia was going to help him die, which was different.

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