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Terez

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  1. I slipped that bit into the database a few days ago; I was wondering who would find it first. I didn't know Loialson had finally mentioned it. If you look at Loialson's report in the database (which I transcribed from his audio recording), Brandon went into some more detail there. He asked us to take that bit out until after AMOL came out.

  2. I did not make a notation of the where this occurs, (I just tried looking for it and can't find it), but somewhere in the book, there is a typo saying Egwene drew on the True Power, instead of the One Power.  Will look again later when I have more time to try and find the exact page #

     

    Are you sure it wasn't the True Source (another name for the One Power)? I can't find this error in the book.

     

    I haven't seen this typo mentioned:

     

    Ch 45 - Tendrils of mist 

    Mats POV - He is sureveying the battlefield and approaching Noal and Olver and the audiobook reads the following:

     

    Noal smiled at Rand from horseback

     

    I don't have the hardcopy to look this up, so I was wondering if it was a mistake by Michael Kramer, who was reading at the time.

     

    Audio error. It's correct in the book. Perhaps they were working from an earlier draft, though.

     

     

    Oh, and a major typsetting screwup: in Egwene's death scene, there's a break from her POV to Rand's, and the first line of Rand's POV is "Egwene was dead." This was printed right at the bottom of the right-hand page. So when you're reading the book two pages earlier, with your eyes at the bottom right, and you turn the page, the first thing your attention is immediately drawn to is the set-off words "Egwene was dead"... before you actually get a chance to read the two pages of Egwene POV explaining how that happened. 

     

    THIS! So annoying, possible the worst part of the whole book, I knew she was dead before I read her death scene.

     

    Glad it wasn't just me. But it was "Egwene died."

  3. Additionally does anyone know of direct quotes from RJ regarding Min? I'm wondering if she could have mis-interpreted her viewing of Sarene; instead of getting swept off her feet by a love affair, maybe she foresaw the Compulsion. I know that Min thinks that when she knows she knows, but is she right?

     

    The words come with the viewing; that's in the books. I don't see any reason to believe it had anything to do with Compulsion.

  4. Does anyone have the exact quote from RJ on the fulfillment of prophecy? The wording could be important. IE- if he said all prophecies must be fulfilled unless the Dark wins, perhaps that only applies to Light prophecies... and the reverse might be true for Dark prophecies, which should then be expected to fail because the Light won. Just a thought.

     

    RJ said all prophecies would be fulfilled unless the Wheel was broken. There are two exceptions: Dreams, which are only possibilities, and prophecies that were given after the Pattern began falling apart. Brandon slipped one of those in because RJ apparently didn't: Min's viewing of two dead men, one of which turned out not to be dead after all. Brandon verified that dark prophecies are just as legitimate as Light prophecies.

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    And remember when people used to use wards to micro-locate channeling in their vicinity and then nuke that spot? Apparently that went away too.

    Did we see any of Non-Forsaken use that power?

     

    The wards? Rand used them (see TFOH "Jangai Pass" among others) and also knew how to counter them (see ACOS "A Crown of Swords").

  6. Brandon has said that in RJ's last days, Maria interviewed him extensively about the characters and how they end up, with special attention on the more important characters. Peter said that these notes were not contradicted. In some cases that leaves room for interpretation, but IMO not in this one. But at the same time, no one has yet come forth to reassure us with a straight answer.

     

    I do think it was probably planned by RJ, for several reasons, some of which have to do with his little ex-girlfriend revenge fantasy which was evident even before Egwene died, and more mundanely a need for important character deaths for conflict, but mostly I think it was planned because of her Arthurian parallels.

     

    Guinevere is betrothed to Arthur early in his career, while he is garnering support and is Queen of Brittany. When Lancelot arrives later, she is instantly smitten, and they soon consummate the adultery that will bring about Arthur's fall. However, Arthur is not aware of their relationship or adultery for quite a while, until at a feast when he realizes that neither Lancelot nor Guinevere is there. Their affair is exposed by two of King Lot's sons, Agravain and Mordred, and Lancelot flees for his life while Arthur reluctantly sentences his queen to burn at the stake. Knowing Lancelot and his family will try to stop the execution, Arthur sends many of his knights to defend the pyre, though Gawain refuses to participate. Lancelot arrives and rescues the queen, and in the course of the battle Gawain's brothers Gaheris and Gareth are killed, sending Gawain into a rage so great that he pressures Arthur into war with Lancelot. When Arthur goes to France to fight Lancelot, he leaves Guinevere in the care of Mordred, who plots to marry the queen himself and take Arthur's throne. In some versions Guinevere assents to Mordred's proposal, but in others, she hides in the Tower of London and then takes refuge in a convent. Hearing of the treachery, Arthur returns to Britain and slays Mordred at Camlann, but his wounds are so severe that he is taken to the isle of Avalon. Guinevere meets Lancelot one last time, then returns to the convent where she spends the remainder of her life.

     

    It's all backwards, but it's all there. Guinevere didn't actually die at the stake, but Egwene died in a fire of sorts by drawing too much of the Power. Her body was vaporized. Gawyn's death preceded her pyre, and led to it by causing her own rage, as opposed to Gawain being led into a rage by the pyre scene. Egwene was abbess of the convent before her pyre, not after. It's very much in fitting with how RJ did things: the connections are obvious, but at the same time, they're not even close to being the same story.

  7. Hi all, what do you think about this Egwene dream : She stands at fork in road. Gawyn rides up not seeing her. One road leads to violent death, the other, long life. Down one road they marry, the other, not. Gawyn smiles and chooses.

     

    Do you think it was fulfilled and other dreams about them ??

     

    Thx for your opinions :-)

     

    I think this one is pretty obvious. Gawyn marries her, and it leads to his death. If he hadn't married her, he would have lived a long life.

  8. And remember when people used to use wards to micro-locate channeling in their vicinity and then nuke that spot? Apparently that went away too.

     

    You might say that's how Romanda bit it. Cadsuane had a better perimeter plan at the Cleansing that helped her to target people, but to be fair it wasn't really explained and there were a few questions raised as to the logistics of it, with her own people out there.

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    This and this were both while he was working on the book, so it's a somewhat reasonable assumption to make.

    The second part reads more like a hint that it will be included or an Aes Sedai answer than anything that supports what you're saying.

     

    I said it was 'somewhat reasonable'; I didn't say it was intuitively obvious, nor did I say I agreed with it.

     

    EDIT: Dammit, I didn't mean to make a second post for this. I wanted to edit it in. Though copying and pasting quotes doesn't seem to work for me...

     

    You have to be quick. At least, mine lags a bit and there's a second where you can copy the code after you click the quote/post button, but then it interprets the code, and anything you copy will just show up as an HTML-like blockquote.

  10. No, that was before their marriage so that can't be the fulfillment. (It maybe could have been if they had never married, but since they did marry, that can't be the fulfillment.) When I asked Brandon about this at JordanCon 2011, that's what he said: that it mirrored Min's viewing that had Gawyn either kneeling to Egwene or breaking her neck. He said that if Gawyn hadn't showed up and killed the Bloodknives, Egwene would have died. But when I pointed out to him that the fork dream was about Gawyn's death, not Egwene's, and asked him if, knowing that, he would answer differently, he never answered. So the fork Gawyn chose was marriage to Egwene, and it led to his death. If he had not married her, he would have lived a long life.

     

     

    In the way of dreams she floated above a long, straight road across a grassy plain, looking down upon a man riding a black stallion. Gawyn. Then she was standing in the road in front of him, and he reined in. Not because he saw her, this time, but the road that had been straight now forked right where she stood, running over tall hills so no one could see what lay beyond. She knew, though. Down one fork was his violent death, down the other, a long life and a death in bed. On one path, he would marry her, on the other, not. She knew what lay ahead, but not which way led to which. Suddenly he did see her, or seemed to, and smiled, and turned his horse along one of the forks...

     

     

    The end of the dream made it fairly clear he would choose marriage. Egwene (and thus we) just didn't know whether marriage would save him from death or lead to his death.

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    4-sense channeling. Pevara says that men can sense when a woman was holding the OP. not true is it? Without the aid of terangreal? P101. "It was downright unfair, that a man could tell when a woman was holding the One Power and when she wasn't"

     

    4 - We've known men can sense women holding the power from almost the start of the series, Rand would get goosbumps when Egwene or Elain held the power.

    I thought Rand got goosebumps when a woman channeled near him, not when they held the OP.

     

    Nope, he gets them when women are just holding the Power. This was demonstrated in TSR "Hard Heads" (Egwene and Elayne) and again in LOC with the Aes Sedai emissaries. And other times, but those two are the most memorable. I do believe, however, that Mat's medallion only goes cold when someone actually channels.

     Terez, is this a 'man' power or just a Dragon's power?

     

    Did we see any other instances of this being proven aside from Rand?

     

     

    Just curious because I'm correcting things I thought that were incorrect :D

     

    It's a man thing. Another example is Sammael and Graendal, LOC 6.

     

    This is not necessarily an error, but I found it thoroughly frustrating when the reinforcements from Merrilor arrived at Tarwin's Gap. Remember when Nynaeve and Elayne and Mat Traveled to a place waaay outside of Ebou Dar because they didn't want to accidentally kill anyone? So how did the people coming to help Lan know where to place those gateways?

     

    It's not the first time it's happened in the series. The Forsaken Travel directly to each other's abodes in the early books, and Rand Traveled directly to Mat's tent once. It's implied that there is some skill involved, but it's never explained. It's also implied that it's easier to do this when making gateways a short distance.

  12. Yeah you are pretty much right Dreadlord, the song is a mystification of the songs, you should read that quote that Terez posted. RJ confirms that there is more than one song but the Tinkers will never find it. That doesn't make much sense to me because Rand has both Rhuidean and LTT memories and can connect the two but maybe i should take it to a different thread.

     

    Well, what Brandon was trying to say is that even if they heard a growing song, they wouldn't recognize it. Like Loial said in TEOTW:

     

     

    "The Traveling People live for their songs," Loial said. "For all songs, for that matter. For the search for them, at least. I met some Tuatha'an a few years back, and they wanted to learn the songs we sing to trees. Actually, the trees won't listen to very many anymore, and so not many Ogier learn the songs. I have a scrap of that Talent, so Elder Arent insisted I learn. I taught the Tuatha'an what they could learn, but the trees never listen to humans. For the Traveling People they were only songs, and just as well received for that, since none was the song they seek. That's what they call the leader of each band, the Seeker. They come to Stedding Shangtai, sometimes. Few humans do."

     

     

    And I'm sure that Rand and the Ogier were both singing growing songs. The Nym gave those songs more power, but I doubt the songs are different in nature.

  13. Anyone else wonder why Padan Fain / Mordeth suddenly started calling himself Shaisam?

     

    Seemed so out of the blue and with no explanation.  If I had to guess about the short story set in the wheel of time that Brandon said he is including in the Anthology book coming out, my guess is it's about Shaisam and who/what he is and his motivations.

     

    In the TOM prologue, he thinks to himself that he needs a new name, partly because he is both Mordeth and Fain (so it's wrong for him to think of himself as either and not the other), and partly because he has transcended both Mordeth and Fain with his new powers. There were some fan guesses about what his new name would be...

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