Pretty sure he didn't mean to imply that.

In all the 14 pages of this thread, I've seen only 1 reference to the Hawkwing/Fortuona conversation that Mat suggested. I hadn't even CONSIDERED this as a possibility until I saw Mat say that. What I wouldn't give to see how THAT conversation went down. :)

I'm surprised there isn't more interest in this thought.

That Brandon even mentioned it is probably fanservice. People have been talking about wanting to see that for years, and many believed that's how the Seanchan problem would be resolved (which I always argued was ridiculous).

 

I distinctly remember an interview which said this turning of the wheel was unique, that Padan Fain was unique

You are misremembering and piecing two different quotes together. In fact RJ said that there was nothing unique about this turning. His thoughts on the matter mirrored Herid Fel's almost to a t. As for Fain he called him a wildcard, but there very well may have been others in the past.

I apologize if this was addressed, but my computer is lagging to hell and back and so I just CTRL-F'd 'suttree' to see if you were quoted. You're right on the first point. On the second, he did say Fain was something unique to this Age, in the sense that each Third Age follows roughly the same pattern. The smaller details are different, and Mordeth/Fain is one of those details. But people read a lot (too much) into that, thinking that RJ was hinting that Fain, being unique to this Age, was therefore destined to help Rand break the Wheel. But RJ didn't even really imply that; I think he just wanted to establish that the evil of Shadar Logoth is not one of the repeating 'big players' of the Grand Cosmic Showdown.

 

4-sense channeling. Pevara says that men can sense when a woman was holding the OP. not true is it? Without the aid of terangreal? P101. "It was downright unfair, that a man could tell when a woman was holding the One Power and when she wasn't"

 

4 - We've known men can sense women holding the power from almost the start of the series, Rand would get goosbumps when Egwene or Elain held the power.

I thought Rand got goosebumps when a woman channeled near him, not when they held the OP.

Nope, he gets them when women are just holding the Power. This was demonstrated in TSR "Hard Heads" (Egwene and Elayne) and again in LOC with the Aes Sedai emissaries. And other times, but those two are the most memorable. I do believe, however, that Mat's medallion only goes cold when someone actually channels.

 

5-horn. RJ said that Mat never severed his link to the horn. BS sort of ignored that comment to make Olver work. (on my iPad someone else may have to find the quote on the net or in the knowlgebase)

5 - Hmm, I've never seen that from RJ, would be interesting to hear if it was explained in the notes, or if RJ was specifically mentioning the first death, and not the death prevented with balefile.

I don't believe any such quote exists. RJ never said such a thing. 

BBM is correct. Also, check out The Song of Roland. Olver was always intended to blow the Horn.

I just realized this (I dont know how I missed it) and I was wondering if anyone had come up with an answer or if I missed it in the book. What happened to the Tinkers song??? Did they ever find it???

No, and they never will.

Callandor was made during the War of Power; RJ said so.

From another thread:

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/78306-not-in-the-book-discussion-full-spoilers/?p=2742993

If you guys notice reports in other threads, could you link them here? Thanks.

Gateways and the dream spike.

When Perrins camps was locked in by a dream spike, gateways worked within the boarders of the dome, but not going outside or inside.

Perrin used this to escape the whitecloaks.

Now gateways don't work inside a dreamspike dome at all?

WHY?

Gateways never worked within the border of the dome, even in TOM. Perrin could 'shift' within the dome in the dream world, but he couldn't 'shift' outside of it. But in the real world, gateways didn't work at all.

 

 

I kind of wish the last book was written by Terez. I would probably have to spend weeks looking for a damn ending and then decrypting it, but no doubt it would be perfectly thought out.

LOL

Thanks, I had missed that. New sig. :)

 

 

In general I didn't like most of the epilogue except for the last scene with Rand and the pipe and Cadsuane becoming Amyrlin (that was totally cool!). I understand that it was written by RJ (far from his best writing IMO) and BS wanted to preserve it but I think that this once he should have worked more on it.

 

For the record, the Cadsuane scene was written by Brandon. And Cadsuane didn't 'become' Amyrlin; that was left open-ended as well. It wasn't even an official summons.

 

yeh, but it's pretty clear where things are going.

Not really. She's escaped several times before; it's easy to see her escaping again. If they wanted it to be clear they would have done the summons; it was meant to be ambiguous.

In general I didn't like most of the epilogue except for the last scene with Rand and the pipe and Cadsuane becoming Amyrlin (that was totally cool!). I understand that it was written by RJ (far from his best writing IMO) and BS wanted to preserve it but I think that this once he should have worked more on it.

For the record, the Cadsuane scene was written by Brandon. And Cadsuane didn't 'become' Amyrlin; that was left open-ended as well. It wasn't even an official summons.

 

is Braen Wood really 150 miles from the City...

WH, Ch. 27:

 

"Elayne found herself riding Fireheart slowly through the snows of Braem Wood, near enough fifty leagues north of Caemlyn"

And there are four miles to a league. Miles are a bit shorter in Randland, but not much.

The maps are not perfectly to scale; we've asked about this before.

 

 

 

I've always thought Logain was a selfish jerk (proclaiming himself the Dragon Reborn with no proof and destroying cities proves it), this book confirmed it with his selfish search for power when the world was about to end, though he came around somewhat at the end.

 

It's not too surprising that he thought he was the Dragon Reborn, considering the long winter and the obvious implications. And his POV suggests that he's a bit madder than we assumed him to be. He's always fought on principle, and has taken great risk to do so.

Didn't he declare himself the DR before the winter had stretched for so long? I haven't reread EOTW in a while but IIRC there were reports about it and massive battles in Ghealdan, in Two Rivers, the back end of nowhere, at Winternight (supposed to be the start of spring).

If Bel Tine is a true parallel to Beltane, then it's the first day of May, halfway between the spring equinox and the summer solstice. The lingering winter would have had more significance in the southern countries, too. Spring was already a month behind in the Two Rivers.

I've always thought Logain was a selfish jerk (proclaiming himself the Dragon Reborn with no proof and destroying cities proves it), this book confirmed it with his selfish search for power when the world was about to end, though he came around somewhat at the end.

It's not too surprising that he thought he was the Dragon Reborn, considering the long winter and the obvious implications. And his POV suggests that he's a bit madder than we assumed him to be. He's always fought on principle, and has taken great risk to do so.

Since reading the AMOL prologue I was leaning toward Nakomi being an Aiel hero of the Horn. She could be Verin at the same time although  I'm not sure how that's supposed to fit into the timeline.

There is no timeline.

My questions tonight in Dayton, Ohio:

 

 

Q: Who opened Cadsuane's box? (Jokingly) Is it intuitively obvious?

A: It's not intuitively obvious who opened the box.  The weaves were removed from the box so that the person who opened the box could open it.

 

Q: Where was Roedran after the Field of Merrilor

A: (Consternation on his face) He was goofing off somewhere.

Q: And his army? They didn't do anything of note, eh?

A: Right

 

My take: looks like Shaidar Haran is most likely candidate for Cadsuanes box.  I asked "who" and his answers didn't even identify it as a person (he didn't say "someone removed the weaves")

 

Also, looks like I was right about him forgetting about Roedran/Murandians after FoM.

 

I recorded the Q & A, but I haven't looked to see if it's of a quality worth uploading, since I wasn't aiming my phone at him or anything in particular.  I might try to transcribe the session, though, unless the memory keeper posts first

If you can send the audio to me I can transcribe the bits you didn't feel like transcribing. :) I like to have even the redundant questions because sometimes differences in wording are significant.

Thanks Jonrox!

 

Bummer about Roedran and Murandy. Bleh.

Dom pointed out on TL that you could say this was foreshadowed. I can't find the quote, though...

There's actually a lot of evidence for it, really. Mostly it's the personality, particularly the rambling, which is what made most of us think of Verin in the first place. But Nokomis was apparently the (mythological) person who taught the shamans how to enter the dream world, which is a parallel to giving Egwene the stone ring ter'angreal.

Nakomi as the Creator's avatar is dumb because it's deus ex machina, and on top of that it undermines the struggles of the mortals to save the world. Explanation that makes the most sense = Verin as a returned Hero. She was Aiel in a past life, apparently.

Rand kneeling to the Crystal throne has obviously been fulfilled when Rand knelt to Tuon in chapter 17. It was never proved conclusively that this was a false prophecy. Perhaps it was but perhaps not. I rather think it wasn't. It's not really important as it was fulfilled either way. The three on a boat one was a dream  and not a prophecy. Those need not be fulfilled and some weren't. I find the metaphorical explanations such as the ones offered earlier completely unacceptable so I prefer to think of this as an unfulfilled dream even though two different  dreamwalkers had it.

It was a Foretelling by Nicola, which is absolute. It just happened to be backed up by two different dreamers.

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Hmm.

YES!!

YES - er, no.

I think I know what that was for. I even thought about you while reading.

What's the mistake? Pevara did bond Androl before he bonded her.

Southpaw asked Brandon tonight whether she was in there just for theories, and he said no, but that's not really helpful.

You misunderstand. Shadow prophecies are every bit as legit as Light prophecies. The TOM one was just written badly. The TGH one had an interesting and unexpected fulfillment.