Unless it's Cory and he's wrong about me and I get mislynched.  Then I talk MAD TRASH for months.

 

Honestly, I think we're good enough to win this game without needing help from peeks at all. But if you have an opportunity to guarantee victory mechanically, I think it's typically worth a shot. Saves us headaches, gets the champagne out the bottles faster.

You overestimate many of us. I am a terrible scum hunter. I'll admit it. Randing town is the most disappointing time of a game for me. Especially now. It wasn't so bad back in the day, nobody was this analytical. The way you you, Sooh, BFG and Clov all kinda feed off of one another is astounding. And confusing. I don't get it. I'm def more of a mechanical player. It's the only tangible trail I can follow.

 

Which is probably the root of our division. I want to chase the trail I can follow, not be led by the nose down a path that I can't navigate. Make sense?

 

So, with that. I'll [unvote] for the now. Gonna go get me a few brews to mull over.

 

FWIW nobody feeds off me.  That would require them to trust me.

...

Regret.

On a more serious and personal note, I don't think you should be disappointed at this point.  I meant what I said when I appreciated the effort of your argument.  If it had been on someone other than me, and it didn't hinge on them figuring out who the traitor was and making the lynch away (with some exceptions - there absolutely ARE some people who would do that!), I definitely would have been interested in the lynch.  I just happen to know you're wrong.   And honestly, that's okay.  I would much rather somebody be wrong than be afraid of being wrong and refusing to take a side.

 

You know what?  I actually like this idea.  Let's get one wagon on Dice, for people that think we should try to confirm sanity and get live peeks by lynching OUTSIDE of the peeks.  Let's get me up as the counterwagon, for anyone that thinks we should go with the guilty.

Fine with this as an approach

 

[v]dicetosser1[/v]

 

I'm obviously voting Dice (and I would if we replaced me with Leyrann, for that matter) but will be staying off until late.  I think it'll be more interesting this way.

All I ask is that those that know they're going to vote me do so early.

For, you know - reindeer games and stuff.

You know what?  I actually like this idea.  Let's get one wagon on Dice, for people that think we should try to confirm sanity and get live peeks by lynching OUTSIDE of the peeks.  Let's get me up as the counterwagon, for anyone that thinks we should go with the guilty.

That doesn't jive. First you advocate secrecy, then openness? Am I the only one here seeing a hypocrit?

 

I never advocated for thing.  I'm explaining to you how it works.

And for what it's worth, what Cory said previously was, the other cops shouldn't claim today.

 

 

I'll be more specific. You say you can mechanically clear Clov/Ley by tomorrow. How?

 

That's where you are losing me. That's what I want to know.

 

have all three seers peek the same person at night. even if one dies in the night (would be you), you get two results. if the result is the same, the dead seer was insane and the other two seers are sane. if the result is different, the dead seer was sane, and then you have to figure which of the two remaining is sane/insane.

How do you plan on achieving coordinating the other two seers?

 

You find someone that hasn't been peeked often, and someone you (since you are the claimed cop) haven't peeked, and we post that name in the thread.  All three of you peek them.  The other two cops claim with results.

 

I'll be more specific. You say you can mechanically clear Clov/Ley by tomorrow. How?

 

That's where you are losing me. That's what I want to know.

 

If the other two cops peek the same person and get the same result, they're both sane cops, and you're insane.  That confirms I'm town (as mafia cannot tailor themselves to look town).  If they get different results, you're a sane cop.  That confirms Leyrann is town.

 

It does NOT prove Leyrann is scum in the first scenario, and the latter wouldn't mean I am, because of framers - but you know exactly who is sane AND there is one confirmed town peek.

 

Additionally, there will be two living cops (three if mafia is completely stupid).  That's three confirmed town out of nine.

Good luck, mafia.

I'll be more specific. You say you can mechanically clear Clov/Ley by tomorrow. How?

 

That's where you are losing me. That's what I want to know.

If the other two cops peek the same person and get the same result, they're both sane cops, and you're insane.  That confirms I'm town (as mafia cannot tailor themselves to look town).  If they get different results, you're a sane cop.  That confirms Leyrann is town.

It does NOT prove Leyrann is scum in the first scenario, and the latter wouldn't mean I am, because of framers - but you know exactly who is sane AND there is one confirmed town peek.

 

After this game's over, I'll teach you how to play mafia.

 

the only winning move is not to play.

 

I thought the winning move was to be Monk.

something something expected outcome. something something clov is saying all possibilties should be weighed the same? blah blah blah. blah blah blah. If scum had the balls to not nk lzm I would wet myself. It is the correct move if you think it through and read the thread for context. Because the confusion what scum want to continue benefits them. Tomorrow all cops should out with their results their should be three people investigated bonus points if one of them is dead. I wanna see that juicy counter claim scum play. something something actual outcome. I have no idea where I was going with this btw. I stand ready to lynch clov/ley.

After this game's over, I'll teach you how to play mafia.

As it relates to this game....you're not scum.  Okay.  Who is?

And ftr I understand being frustrated, and I don't disagree with your stance at all that it probably would not be received the same way.  Part of that is because of Cory's reputation.  Is that unfair?  Almost certainly, yes.

But part of that is because he's busted his butt over the last three days, rallied against what is more likely than not to be a mislynch, and got shaded by scum in a way that suggests Cory probably isn't mafia.  If you want to argue people listen to players like Cory simply because who they are, that's fine, and I fully agree that's an awful way to play.  

But if you want to argue that people shouldn't listen to somebody they have a lot of reason to trust is town over somebody they really DON'T....I don't know what to say.  

what happens if you are scum? we lose. that post recently by clov is about the closest anyone got to suggesting the possibility today but it IS a possibility.

 

Then you pat him on the back for being able to completely take over a game as scum (something he hates playing as, and quite frankly, probably doesn't care enough to put the effort into to play today the way he has) and pat Ben on the back for interacting with someone he knew was mafia in a way that made Cory come out ahead postflip - unless you want to argue that Ben's reactions to Cory come from his traitor teammate.

Then you assign all the townies an appropriate amount of blame for not doing more to get townread, and not putting their thoughts out there early to influence others.

Two things, Dice.

1)  I was not trying to call you stupid, and I think (hope) you know that.  But in the universe where Cory really is a cop, he's insane a third of the time.  If he has an innocent check, there is NO reason he should write that person off.  

As far as I'm concerned, people should have been paying the most attention to their N0 peeks.  Poke them.  Prod them.  Push them.  Peeks are completely worthless this game until you determine sanity.  So for you to push him for that...it's just...IDK.  Ridiculous.

2) Ummm....in case you haven't noticed, I haven't called for Leyrann's head this day.  At all.  It would be really easy for me to sit here and say that he absolutely should be the lynch because I know LZM can't be a sane cop with an unaltered peek of me, and since the odds of him being insane are greater than the odds of me being framed, the percentage play is to kill Leyrann.  

But I'm not, I haven't, and I won't.  Right now, LZM's peeks mean absolutely nothing.  I don't know if he's sane and I was framed.  I don't know if he is insane and both are unaltered.  I don't know if he's insane, and Leyrann actually is town because Ley got framed N0.  All three are possibilities.  And yes, I don't know your alignment, either.  What I do know is that unless we're going to disregard ALL peeks the entire game and play it straight vanilla, the value of peeks is having as many peeks on people that can be confirmed to form a box out.  

If we are going to play it straight vanilla, I still think you're a much better option than Cory, BFG, LZM, Iron, and Niniel, and a marginally better candidate than SK or DJ.

I feel pretty good about Iron in general. I was a bit cautious because I literally told him exactly how I read him last game we played together, but I've seen enough to find his reads / mindset legitimate.

Yeah, at this point I have basically no doubts about him.  If he's just playing me that badly, I'll be a little disappointed in myself but mostly I'll be impressed.  I think there's basically no chance of that being the case here, specifically, though.

i would like to lynch dice before the village starts eating itself alive for ??? reasons

 

what a dream world that would be

I don't have a problem lynching Dice now, but I would at least prefer a little more time in case anybody has something they think is important to say.

Trimming the part I don't care about.

 

 

Null

Ley: TBH I just don't play with Ley often enough, and he hasn't had much content thus far. Gun to head I'd go with town, but that's just barely better than a guess. 

Sooh: I liked her early push on me, but disliked how she dropped it like a hot potato when I got back from camping. Could be just that she was catching up and had more important things to post about, or could be she realized it wasn't a good tactic any more. GTH I'd say scum, but again, not much better than a guess. 

Dice: His most recent two or three posts have sounded like town!Dice, but I know he's perfectly capable of faking his tone and the WIFOM is real. 

 

Lean scum

SK: Upgraded from pure scum read because of Ben, but I still don't like how he's played. Now, this is pure conjecture, but Ben is a savvy enough wolf to know how to distance. Maybe he thought he could get one of the scum lynched, get shot by them because of it, and join the mafia team as a widely town-read player. After all, a similar tactic worked pretty well for SK himself in Suicide Squad, and Ben was there for it. 

SK flips mafia.  Which one of your nulls do you look at first, or do you go in a different direction?  If you're wrong about SK, which of your nulls do you want to keep around?

On an unrelated note, I'm not going to waste my time trying to figure out how plausible I think the bold (as he specifically laid it out) is, but I'd be lying if I said I don't like thta he thought of it.  It seems like a very off the cuff, natural thought I could absolutely see Iron making.

 

Can you talk about Marsh and Sooh, Leyrann?

 

For Marsh, I really liked him the last part of Day 1. For Sooh, it's just a general gut feeling that built up over the course of the game. I'm gonna reread tomorrow (plus maybe Friday, if I don't have enough time and willpower to finish it) though, and then I'll have better reads. Remember that I don't do notes or something like that. I like mafia, but I don't like getting that involved.

Show me?  You said that before, but all I remember from Marsh the last part of Day 1 is him being away - unless you're defining last part differently than I am.

 

 

Cory, I hope you appreciate me biting down the obvious questions and stamping on the tinfoil you reawoke of a Chris/you team
I understand the -ve argument though /sigh

 
It probably won't help if I tell you he's right about both me AND the correct mechanical approach, will it?
 

Clov you want to start a secret wolfteam with me? With blackjack and hookers?

 
Yeah, I do.  
 
You know what?  Forget the wolf team.

oddly enough it isn't to do with his read or the correct me hanical approach

It's still part of the -ve thing to discuss though :/

 

 

 

Go on?  Not sure there's a point, but whatever, I guess

 

 

Null

Ley: TBH I just don't play with Ley often enough, and he hasn't had much content thus far. Gun to head I'd go with town, but that's just barely better than a guess. 

Sooh: I liked her early push on me, but disliked how she dropped it like a hot potato when I got back from camping. Could be just that she was catching up and had more important things to post about, or could be she realized it wasn't a good tactic any more. GTH I'd say scum, but again, not much better than a guess. 

Dice: His most recent two or three posts have sounded like town!Dice, but I know he's perfectly capable of faking his tone and the WIFOM is real. 

 

Lean scum

SK: Upgraded from pure scum read because of Ben, but I still don't like how he's played. Now, this is pure conjecture, but Ben is a savvy enough wolf to know how to distance. Maybe he thought he could get one of the scum lynched, get shot by them because of it, and join the mafia team as a widely town-read player. After all, a similar tactic worked pretty well for SK himself in Suicide Squad, and Ben was there for it. 

Don't be that way.

Cory, I hope you appreciate me biting down the obvious questions and stamping on the tinfoil you reawoke of a Chris/you team

 

I understand the -ve argument though /sigh

It probably won't help if I tell you he's right about both me AND the correct mechanical approach, will it?

Clov you want to start a secret wolfteam with me? With blackjack and hookers?

Yeah, I do.  

You know what?  Forget the wolf team.

 

let's kill clov he went back into his hidey hole after the guilty. :^)

 

 

 

SK, don't be a gooey chocolate chip cookie.

And this is my assistant, Santonio Holmes

FWIW Sooh - I don't think you remotely were insinuating that, but I'd guess Im 95% sure where she's getting it.

I didn't want to talk to anyone on lunch, anyway. You all are a bunch of squares.

Can you talk about Marsh and Sooh, Leyrann?

DJ - I realize the question wasn't to me, but I think MOST people would agree Dice is a decent option not because he's been sjper scummy but because he hasn't been townie.

There are a lot of reasons to think several people are town. We know its 9-2. If someone's town, and they have 6 confident reads, that's four names fpr two slots.