7 minutes ago, Zanatron said:

 

No.  That makes sense.  I def dont feel it clears him but again it makes sense. 

 

 

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I don't feel it outright clears him, either.  That's why I said I wouldn't bet the game on it.  It can honestly be he saw no harm in voting there as scum, or he wanted to "bluff" it.  It just seems less likely to be that.

2 minutes ago, Clovdyx said:

I'm town.  Tress was town.

 

No matter what happened, town was getting mislynched.  He came out of nowhere, hopped on a wagon that was not getting pushed through, with like 1 minute left in the day.  Since then, multiple people have asked him about it.  I don't think anyone would have batted an eye if he hadn't been around - phase change is, what, 6 or 7 in the morning his time? - to vote.  That means he chose to put extra negative attention on himself for literally no gain.

 

If Tress had flipped mafia, I might be raking Dice over the coals today.  But she didn't.

@Zanatron do you disagree?

I'm town.  Tress was town.

No matter what happened, town was getting mislynched.  He came out of nowhere, hopped on a wagon that was not getting pushed through, with like 1 minute left in the day.  Since then, multiple people have asked him about it.  I don't think anyone would have batted an eye if he hadn't been around - phase change is, what, 6 or 7 in the morning his time? - to vote.  That means he chose to put extra negative attention on himself for literally no gain.

If Tress had flipped mafia, I might be raking Dice over the coals today.  But she didn't.

25 minutes ago, dicetosser1 said:

actually i thought verbs reasons was pretty good.

 

 

reads

 

zander

marsh

halli

lessa/kat

clov

 

 

am i missing anyone?  

Can you elaborate on anyone?  Marsh and Lessa would be the two I'm most interested in, but anyone really

And I mean, you're not wrong.  Most of my reads are kind of noncommittal.

It's almost like I know how to play mafia.

8 minutes ago, Zanatron said:

 

I apologize but I dont recall but do you mention any suss on Clov prior to this.....vote?!?!?!?!?!?!

That seems... not right   He hasn't gone super in depth that I recall, but he's definitely expressed a lack of trust there

6 minutes ago, dicetosser1 said:

dude i specifically asked you about him remember?

 

 

i havent said a lot  his focus on kat out the gate struck me and his posts seem really.....noncommittal.

 

He feels off to me.

 

then you have the fact that verb was very clearly after him and look who died. and yes it could be mafia killed him for misdirection but it could also be not that

I laughed. =]

1 minute ago, Zanatron said:

 

2 confirmed Villas and my strongest Town read...sadface.gif

Believe me, I have thoughts on it, but none of them are nice.

1 minute ago, dicetosser1 said:

vote clov

What are your other reads?

2 minutes ago, Zanatron said:

 

Sweeeeeeet tyvm for clearing that up....i cant stop eating the package of tinfoil.... lololololol

Hey, you know I don't care if people aren't clearing me.  I don't care if people are suspicious of me.  I care whether or not people are honest.  I have no problem believing that you might be hesitant to right me off because I know how much you respect my game.  I had a hard believing "I feel good about players 1, 2, 3, 4... I'll lynch the rest" was something Verb struggled with.

2 minutes ago, Zanatron said:

Well we know at least Verb believed he was right but is he???

No.

7 hours ago, Clovdyx said:

 

I still feel good about you, and I actuslly feel even better about Kat.  Lolme if I'm wrong

 

I liked Iron's EOD a bit, so I'd move him up.   I kind of want to call Hallia town for reasons Which would Verb, Dice, and Lessa.

 

Gut days the last few minutes of Eod are different if it'd exactly dice/Verb, so maybe start with Lessa? 

@Zanatron

3 minutes ago, Zanatron said:

 

Sorry the wording here is slightly confusing me....are you saying you werent right because you didnt think she was Town and didnt think she was Town for the reason I did?

I'm saying I thought you were hinting masons, hence "having reasons" to trust her.  With him flipping mason, obviously the pairing isn't you/her. 

Obviously that doesn't necessarily mean I was wrong about her being town, but my reasoning clearly wasn't right.

4 minutes ago, Zanatron said:

 

My Hallia read was NOT based on gameplay.  Tho her play hasn't been alarming thus far.

 

Last line isnt ordered yet.  Its my primary PoE upon completion of my reread with now seeing Verbs flip.

That's what I figured, and that's what I was going on for her, and it appears I was... not right.  

3 minutes ago, Zanatron said:

 

Did anybody bother to read Cory's analysis or Iron in Irons siggy?!?!?!?

 

Is it bad if I pulled up the database to check my memory of Iron's play against Cory's take, and the big takeaway I came away with is "Iron isn't likely to be NK'ed so he might actually be mafia"?  

I know I've seen him play as town multiple times, but I really don't remember it.  Sailor Moon and Tainted Minds to a lesser degree are the games that stick out to me (both scum), and I remember being pretty impressed.  I thought he did well in both.  I'm...not really feeling that here.

...maybe I should just throw my reads away and start over.

2 hours ago, Zanatron said:

Sorry !*it got crazy at work...heading home now. 

 

Not sure when night ends  and havent got to finish reread.

 

Ive i get deaded im still not swayed too much from the last list i posted

 

Hallia

 

Chris

 

Verb/Dice/Kat/Lessa/Iron

 

If Im wrong on Chris that should prolly clear Verb and to a lesser extent Nessa and maybe Dice.

 

I know thats not overly helpful but its where I'm currently at.

 

If I'm alive with the flip in hand ill finish reread and see if i need to reevaluate.

 

 

Remind me about why you're feeling most positively about Hallia?  I have reasons to believe my reasons for feeling good about her weren't right.  If we're going solely on her gameplay, I don't really see an argument for her being that strong of a town read - or scum read, for that matter.  

With Verbal flipping town, I think that's probably a good sign for her... I don't know that she would white knight him over something basically meaningless and just kind of double down on him two or three times for no reason.  I'm still not sure what she saw there, but I get the impression she believes it.   I'm just nowhere near as confident as you.

Also, is the last tier ordered or just whatever?  If it's ordered, Iron being last has me scratching my head.  I would have expected you to put Kat there based on how much you've talked about her, and it seemed like you were beginning to come around on him.  Not really sure what you were getting at with the signature stuff.  I get that a lot of his reads have been thin, but he hasn't been around much at all (could be lurking on purpose, I guess) and it's not like there's been a TON to dig into.  I thought his re-evaluation on me seemed okay, though I don't think he ever answered me on what he misread/misinterpreted.

5 hours ago, Hallia said:

 

I think there is likely a scum on the train, hence what I said that you quoted about Marsh

 

I also said my town reads atm which are You, Dice, Verb, and Clov

 

Marsh is the only real scum read atm, but I feel like anyone really could possibly be the other one

Do you think Marsh is scum because he was on the lynch, or do you think he's scum for other reasons and he happens to have voted there?

Can you talk to me about Dice?  He's someone I felt seemed townie enough early on, but I've got a decent number of people I feel more strongly about, and he's just kind of existed most of this game (which really could be said for a lot of people, so it's not like it's ONLY Dice)

8 minutes ago, dicetosser1 said:

  8 hours ago, Zanatron said:

 

 

 

This is weird atp if Iron is Town he'd have to assume Clov who hates bussing is bussing Tress?!?!?!

 

I dunno.....

 

 

 

 

your missing two things   

 

1 Marsh may not know clov doesnt like bussing

2 Just because Clov doesnt like bussing doesnt neccesarily mean he wont do it

I mean, i guess mafia could take claim,  but assuming verbal and his buddy werenr stupid it should be fairly straight forward to catch them 

2 minutes ago, Ironeyes said:

Rip him being able to confirm who he was masons with. That robs us of a confirmed townie. 

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Rip my top mason pairing

3 minutes ago, Zanatron said:

 

I hate to be the hindsight guy but man....this is not good with Tress's flip and Chris staying on her but man I have a hard time thinking Scum!Chris is this....lack of a better word sloppy as a Wolf?!?!?!

 

Thoughts?!!?!?!?

I'm not a wolf, and if there's something sloppy about staying on a clearly established POE candidate in lack of a STRONG scum candidate (and the only person I was feeling reasonably concerned withwasn't viable) then I don't know how anyone here plays mafia anymore.

15 minutes ago, Zanatron said:

 

Knowing what we now know about Tress has the rest of Suspects changed?

 

 Why or why not?

I still feel good about you, and I actuslly feel even better about Kat.  Lolme if I'm wrong

I liked Iron's EOD a bit, so I'd move him up.   I kind of want to call Hallia town for reasons Which would Verb, Dice, and Lessa.

Gut days the last few minutes of Eod are different if it'd exactly dice/Verb, so maybe start with Lessa? 

Verb - I'll reply to your argument later when I have time assuming I'm still alive.  Fwiw I thought your vote on me wasn't super obvious to be a joke but seemed pretty likely.

Zander - Youre misunderstanding what I meant about Kat.  Im not talking hate as an alignment indicative thing. Im talking about "objectively good" play.  Her reaponse was garbage IMO and it's unnecessarily pedantic.  I hate when people add caveats thay are basically a cop out.  "I didn't say I think you're town, I said you were being townie"... okay, and if you think somebodyis consistently townie, how is that NOT reading them? She was annoyed at you for a reasonable jump on her logic.

But from an alignment issue, I thought it was a good sign.  

21 minutes ago, Zanatron said:

 

Dices vote on you with no explantion.

 

Lessa sussing you yet not voting.

 

Kats cryptic comment on not liking the there being just 1 train and not voting at all iirc.

 

People not voting at all and not being around.

 

And the fact I'm not even confident there was any Scum on Tress train.   I mean sure you or Iron could be Scum but part of me is wondering if Scum just sat back laughing and watched that happen.

 

You know...sketchy crap.

 

 

I have (probably dumb) reasons to feel Dice's vote is more likely from town than mafia, but it's nothing I would absolutely bet the game on.  

Kat's comment was fine.  I wasn't crazy about there being one wagon either, especially considering it was tied 1-1 with half an hour left.  The not voting is... less fine.

Rest I'm pretty much right there with you with.  I'm pretty sure you're town, and I liked Iron's last few hours.  If I had to guess, I'd say it's a clean wagon.  Garbage reasoning says Mafia!Iron is fine not voting Tress there; if it stays ties, it rands and maybe I get lynched.  If it doesn't stay tied, either town!Tress or me get lynched and the end result is basically the same.