[Basic]What's the theme? - ad lib mafia

[Eldrick4221]

This game is stagnated beyond belief. I kinda wanna vote today anyway, and if we're wrong at least the game is over.

[Eldrick4221]

But I have no idea who.

[Eldrick4221]

I've been back and forth on basically everyone except Nini. Of the others, still have AJ as most likely town. Everyone else has merit for town and scum.

[Eldrick4221]

D1 pg34

N1 pg42

D2 pg56

N2 pg61

D3 pg75

N3 pg83

D4 pg92

N4 pg95

 

I know it doesn't mean much, but just want to emphasize how little is being said. I have no idea where to go from here. I feel like any vote is random chance to hit scum.

 

We need discussion. We need to get out of this rut.

 

I will not be voting Nini. That she hasn't really stuck her head out and gotten involved with anyone. Even if she was scum, which I don't think she is, lynching her wouldn't get us any closer to finding the 3rd one. I don't want to risk the game on her.

 

I have liked AJ's game for basically the whole time. I have noticed things here and there that were "maybe aj and this person", but individually I haven't had any issues. The points he brings up are really good ones. My only concern is that he's still alive.

 

marsh hasn't really been here much. He has spent most of the game in my PoE, but not really for things he has done. Only because I wasn't able to clear him. Darthe's explanation about why Marsh is town was on point. Even if it was generic, it was correct. I seriously doubt Marsh and Darthe are teammates, and if Darthe is town, the information he came up with for Marsh points him to probably town. Marsh is town regardless of Darthe's alignment.

 

Darthe. I have no idea. I really want to have him as town, but I keep finding reasons for him to be scum. My most recent was his reaction to Hally lynch. That he "would have thad her as town if he was around" and that he didn't even mentuon her once during all of D1. Pair that with all the defending she did of him (why was that never even mentioned by him?) and it doesn't look good.

 

I have nothing on Verb. There have been points that he sounded good. Points that he sounded bad. Like Marsh, I had him as scum for most of the game for PoE reasons. The interactions we have had together have been good, but he still could be scum.

 

 

I have everyone at a middle ground point. And it bugs the hell out of me. I want everyone to make a list, so we can see where we are.

[Eldrick4221]

I really don't like my reason for town reading Nini. After I sat down to type it out, I realized how bad it was. But at the same point I have backed a mislynch for those same reasons, and it is null to nit be involved.

[Eldrick4221]

I think Darthe's vote drop on AJ speaks volumes about them not being teammates. It could be an attempt to buss and ride that to a win, but I don't think it is. He could have easily tried to push a different angle.

[Ironeyes]

  On 1/31/2017 at 5:12 AM, Eldrick4221 said:

I really don't like my reason for town reading Nini. After I sat down to type it out, I realized how bad it was. But at the same point I have backed a mislynch for those same reasons, and it is null to nit be involved.

I didn't see that as a town read; rather it's a reason not to lynch her, and a valid one. 

[Eldrick4221]

My reason to town read her has been because she hasn't done anything scummy. While doing the list, I realized it wasn't a good reason to town read her.

[Eldrick4221]

Can I get a list from you please.

[Ironeyes]

Null: Everyone

 

Hating my life: Ironeyes

[Ironeyes]

Actually though I will spend some time thinking about it and give real reads tomorrow morning. Gotta sleep on it first. 

[Eldrick4221]

  On 1/31/2017 at 5:52 AM, Ironeyes said:

Null: Everyone

 

Hating my life: Ironeyes

I second that :/

[Niniel]

For once I wish I had more to read when I wak up. :(

 

I had hoped someone would point to something that I hadn´t seen yet.

 

 

As I have already said, I wish at least one of Verb, Eld or Marsh is mafia. I don´t think AJ and Darthe could be mafia together so it´s a big chance I´m right about that, right? It´s hard with Marsh because he hasn´t been here much. I don´t think that I can blindly trust Darthe´s oppinion of him. He could be wrong. Or they could be mafia together. My vote was on Verb for two days and it looked like he would get lynched, but he never was. His posts after that have been pretty neutral. Don´t know what to make of that. Eldrick flip-flopping seems to have come to an end today. *sigh* I´m kind of dependent on reacting to others thoughts.

 

About no lynch - so you think it will be easier if we are one less townie tomorrow? It sounds backwards to me. If we can´t agree for a lynch today then it will be even easier for mafia to manipulate us tomorrow, isn´t it? 

[Niniel]

  On 1/31/2017 at 5:29 AM, Ironeyes said:

 

  On 1/31/2017 at 5:12 AM, Eldrick4221 said:

I really don't like my reason for town reading Nini. After I sat down to type it out, I realized how bad it was. But at the same point I have backed a mislynch for those same reasons, and it is null to nit be involved.

I didn't see that as a town read; rather it's a reason not to lynch her, and a valid one. 

 

 

I don´t know what to think about this. I should probably be happy that there are two players that aren´t prepared to vote me right now, but those are two that I have been suspicious of the last days. Verb, on the other hand, has pointed his finger at me for some time now and it has felt like he is kind of threathening to vote me if I vote him. 

[Verbal32]

  On 1/30/2017 at 9:54 PM, Eldrick4221 said:

While you bring the topic up, why did you vote me because of my response to darthe? While it's null for him specifically, it still felt like role fishing.

 

I didn't comment on it because I felt the vote was absurd and not worth mentioning. But you still feel that way so I would like to know your side of it.

 

I did not see it as role fishing.  IMO, your reaction was the one that was absurd.  If Darthe is scum, it is not because of that - what you would have done there if he does end up scum is called "blind squirreling".

 

(i.e. being right for the wrong reason)

 

 

 

 

  On 1/30/2017 at 9:56 PM, Eldrick4221 said:

I also stand by the feeling that AJ voting darthe instead of nolder could be accidental slip. Especially if he was tired. Yes darthe's name was on his mind which is why he said it instead, but it could very easily have been because he was talking to him on qt. I've seen that slip happen before, heck I've done it myself.

 

You already answered this - it could be either.  Hence:  NULL.

 

 

 

 

  On 1/30/2017 at 9:58 PM, Eldrick4221 said:

I hate that these things were not only dismissed outright, but also classified as jumpy. It's these kind of things that are how I catch scum.

 

You'll have to show me where that actually worked, because I don't believe it.  They were classified as jumpy because they were exactly that, Eldrick.

[Verbal32]

  On 1/31/2017 at 10:10 AM, Niniel said:

For once I wish I had more to read when I wak up. :(

 

I had hoped someone would point to something that I hadn´t seen yet.

 

 

As I have already said, I wish at least one of Verb, Eld or Marsh is mafia. I don´t think AJ and Darthe could be mafia together so it´s a big chance I´m right about that, right? It´s hard with Marsh because he hasn´t been here much. I don´t think that I can blindly trust Darthe´s oppinion of him. He could be wrong. Or they could be mafia together. My vote was on Verb for two days and it looked like he would get lynched, but he never was. His posts after that have been pretty neutral. Don´t know what to make of that. Eldrick flip-flopping seems to have come to an end today. *sigh* I´m kind of dependent on reacting to others thoughts.

 

About no lynch - so you think it will be easier if we are one less townie tomorrow? It sounds backwards to me. If we can´t agree for a lynch today then it will be even easier for mafia to manipulate us tomorrow, isn´t it? 

 

Are we reading the same game, Tina?  I really don't know what to make of you when you post stuff like this.

 

 

 

 

  On 1/31/2017 at 10:41 AM, Niniel said:

 

  On 1/31/2017 at 5:29 AM, Ironeyes said:

 

  On 1/31/2017 at 5:12 AM, Eldrick4221 said:

I really don't like my reason for town reading Nini. After I sat down to type it out, I realized how bad it was. But at the same point I have backed a mislynch for those same reasons, and it is null to nit be involved.

I didn't see that as a town read; rather it's a reason not to lynch her, and a valid one. 

 

 

I don´t know what to think about this. I should probably be happy that there are two players that aren´t prepared to vote me right now, but those are two that I have been suspicious of the last days. Verb, on the other hand, has pointed his finger at me for some time now and it has felt like he is kind of threathening to vote me if I vote him. 

 

 

???

 

Why are you playing the victim here?  You tunneled me for quite a while there, and it amounted to nothing because people didn't think I was scum enough to lynch me.

 

Are you trying to breadcrumb a vote on me, here?  I've been breadcrumbed before, and this is kinda what it looks like.

[Niniel]

Maybe I am. I haven´t decided yet. 

[Verbal32]

Now I know why you auto-view me N1 when you're the Cop, lol.

[Ironeyes]

OK, so who's left? We have: 

 

Andrej--Has been towny all game, despite leading several mislynches. Not very likely to vote here since we have much more scummy candidates. 

Niniel--I agree with Eldrick that lynching her would get us next to no information. Also not likely to vote here today. Doesn't mean I still think she's town though. 

Eldrick--Seems to change his alignment in my eyes about every other page. Also has been on all the mislynches as well. Somewhat willing to vote here. 

Darthe--I originally felt very confident in my town read of him, but I'm now tinfoiling based on a) his timing in showing up just after two mislynches, and b) possible TMI. About as willing to vote here as Eldrick. 

Verbal--I don't even know any more. I could totally see him as scum sitting back and letting us rip ourselves to pieces, but he could also be town trying to save us from ourselves, like Darthe claims to be. These two are becoming more and more similar as the game goes on. 

 

That's my look at everyone individually. But we know there are two of them left, so here's an overview of possible teams I see. 

 

Niniel + Eldrick: If I were scum, I'd have one person out in the ring sowing chaos and another sitting quietly. I am aware that this means I'm sussing Nin for something I am myself doing; yeah, I'm a hypocrite. But El has also been town reading her, and otherwise not wanting to lynch her. 

 

Eldrick + Darthe: I know this has been rehashed before, but I could see Darthe's tunnel early game as distancing with a side benefit of removing himself from the rest of the discussion (and therefore the blame for early mislynches). 

 

Darthe + Verbal: Like I said, they seem to be becoming more similar. Not active regularly but coming in periodically to comment and having the same "I'm town and here to rescue you all from your dumb choices" mentality. 

[Darthe]

  On 1/30/2017 at 4:36 AM, Eldrick4221 said:

 

  On 1/20/2017 at 2:59 AM, Darthe said:

Good evening friends, that was a good catch but I've no idea how ya'll did it. Especially not so decisively. If I had been around Hally would have been in my slightly townie pile, around fifth or so.

 

AJ, Dice isn't so clean to me but you are. I'd put Dice in that slightly townie pile as well. Marsh is there with him, and a reason for that is that I've never seen marsh make a big risky play. Your read there is backwards.

 

In other news, Nol needs to hang and so does Verb. I'd suggest wild targeting one of those two.

Ok.

 

I think I may have found something.

 

When rereading this post, I thought it was a really weird way to respond to a scum flip. "Good catch guys. If I was here, I probably would have town read her"

 

So I went back to check. He literally never mentioned her D1.

Thats a point in my favor, actively in my favor. Why would wolf me want to say specifically that??

[Darthe]

  On 1/30/2017 at 4:43 AM, Eldrick4221 said:

Still gonna vote no lynch. Scum clearly didn't want to narrow the pool last night, and I'm not gonna give them the chance to get away with that. They need to choose a NK and bring this to lylo. Like darthe said, who they kill will tell a lot.

 

But leaning Darthe again from that post. He didn't have a read on Hally until after she was dead. Then he tried to play it off as he thought she was town.

[V] eldrick [/v] theres just no way youre this thick.

[Darthe]

I dont buy that eldrick waffles this much, is on every lynch, and then once he settles on a correct path after reassessing he reverts back to the same logic that has been wrong all game within a matter of pages.

[Darthe]

Why even bother with townreading me and considering wolf AJ if only to switch back after one post which is, at most null? The simplest answer is he is pulling it out of his ass.

[Darthe]

  On 1/30/2017 at 7:11 AM, Eldrick4221 said:

The biggest thing that comes to mind is exactly that. The wifom of verb/Marsh because of the timing.

 

Also because it's better for mafia if numbers are even in the day. Higher chance of mislynch.

 

Which is why I'm not falling for it. Am willing to stall until they choose a NK.

**** [unvote]. Eldrick you're the most tilting player since EP, just wtf man? I cant fall into that rn though, theres no reason for a wolf to be the first to advocate no lynching today unless theyve got the game locked down anyhow.

[Darthe]

It's interesting that AJ straight up ditched. I mean, we all have been silent but that dude is Gone.