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[Shad_]

 

lol again at Shat for threatening to lynch me and nobody calling that out as scummish. LOL

 

I don't because that's how they operate here a lot of times and it's not really alignment indicative because it's so "per norm" here. I'm not saying it makes it right, just that it makes it null for Shad. Like I mentioned before, I had someone treat me the exact same way last game and we were both town. I was basically told, play ball or get lynched. It's this kind of mentality that surfaces up where's you have to like prove yourself to certain individuals while they're basically talking down to you just because they don't have you as a town read. Don't get me wrong, I do work with the method of.... finding town leans and trying to narrow down my PoE.... but I'd like to think I don't come across this way.

 

This is the difference.

 

If you reverse course on someone you said you felt was a villager, you have to back it up.

 

If you treat the entire field like scum, you can just point fingers at whoever you want without accountability.

[Darthe]

 

 

 

What's your thoughts on Calder?

Randomly pushing a lynch in the way he has seems incredibly obnoxious. For scum to do it and keep doing it this late into the day phase while providing absolutely zero other contribution seems like a ridiculously shitty way to draw attention to yourself. If he's scum, what would really be the point? I dunno, it would seem to be just a terrible play to me. On the other hand, it would appear he's almost succeeding given the amount of attention I'm getting. I can't believe I'm saying this but I'm leaning town.

Town reading him for basically doing nothing makes it pretty easy to get away with, no?

I'm not town reading him for doing nothing. I'm town reading him for openly playing like a moron while seemingly sticking to his guns despite the fact he's going to obviously get flack for it.

He really doesnt seem to get that much flack for it tbh. Calders a slice of life sorta dude, and he plays to his own tune

[Shad_]

 

 

 

but I'm feeling like Eldrick has been less active as well.

My lack of activity Thursday was prior explained. I hung out with my best friend.

 

I tried to dig into the thread when I got home, but was too tired to focus.

 

Friday is a busy day for me and I'm typically not on until later (hi).

 

Go ahead and use that against me though. People using short term lack of activity is seriously scummy, and I will gladly vote you for it if you try to push that angle.

 

FTFM

 

 

And here you have to go back and correct your facts. Not that you're nervous or anything...

 

Maybe DPR's just a wolf.

[Darthe]

Sucks you randed scum. I much prefer to have you as town with me.

Kinda outta nowhere aint it?

[Darthe]

 

 

 

 

but I'm feeling like Eldrick has been less active as well.

My lack of activity Thursday was prior explained. I hung out with my best friend.

 

I tried to dig into the thread when I got home, but was too tired to focus.

 

Friday is a busy day for me and I'm typically not on until later (hi).

 

Go ahead and use that against me though. People using short term lack of activity is seriously scummy, and I will gladly vote you for it if you try to push that angle.

FTFM

And here you have to go back and correct your facts. Not that you're nervous or anything...

Maybe DPR's just a wolf.

He made a statement like this earlier as well. Im giving him a bit of space but it's confusing to watch for sure.

[Lenlo]

I'd prefer a Calder lynch. Sooh or DPR also work fine for me. I'm not contributing to a Darthe or AJ lynch. Decide where you want this day to go and consider my vote on any of those 3 I mentioned when doing math, cause I'm picking one of them.

 

Visiting family so on mobile. Will check again in 30 min.

[Shad_]

It's extremely hard for me to imagine someone honestly taking issue with a typo correction.

 

It reads like when wolf!Turin is trying to push somebody and he just pulls completely random shit into the mix and claims he's suspicious of it.

[Darthe]

Catching up and ready to be present. Some thoughts on my reading from page 46-current (in order as I go through pages):

 

The Shad / DPR stuff seems contrived. I get that DPRdoesnt want to be weighed down by meta, and support that, but his belittling of Shad's points seemed to lack much substance beyond "I'm DPR, you're not, suck it." While I appreciate the devil may care approach, whom does it serve? Not a hugely helpful town move.

 

 

 

I could be the Cleveland Browns for all I care. Towns statistically win more when villagers try to identify each other than when everyone refuses to cooperate based on the paranoia that all players have unlimited wolfing capacity.

 

 

I think I understand now... when the self-proclaimed Bradys and Mannings of Mafia tell you who the villagers are and how you are supposed to play it, you have to go along with that or they're gonna lynch you.

 

Seems legit.

 

You shitbirds are really something. I can't wait to see what greatness comes next.

Again, I appreciate the sentiment, but it almost seems overly antagonistic, which always makes me suspicious. Shad himself is playing rather similar of his last scum game, but I'm not ready to vote or strongly suss on that alone.

 

Nyn is my favorite person to read in mafia, content wise. I have zero meta on her, but she's ridiculously balanced. Null lean right now though.

 

Third game in a row with Darthe - he's playing his D1 game identically. While this in itself isn't enough to firmly label him either way for me, this type of play cost town the game the first time, and masked his wolf game in Hackers. I know he'll say he's not getting lynched D1, but I'm ready to hear how he intends to contribute to a town victory?

 

Sooh, I feel is getting the benefit of the doubt she screamed for in hackers, and I'm getting a town vibe there.

 

As such, I advocate we lynch Tiink today, Lenlo tomorrow, and me and Darthe will Eiffel tower Random to death to end the game.

I uh.... either I don't understand this, or I do and am both disturbed and somewhat flattered.

 

Calder is on his town game so far IMO.

 

Also, DPR, I understand where you're coming from irt Eldrick, in vacuum. Especially knowing this is your first game with him (and this is precisely why I asked early on). The problem with him though is that you can basically always find these gaping logic holes in his posts, regardless of alignment. He says the most atrocious things. Because that's how he plays, for better or worse. I could easily sit here and critique it every single game with him...and policy lynch him for it.... but at some point I decided it's a waste of time and that I'm more interested in winning instead of telling him off, because I don't think he's going to change the way he plays. So I'm more.... lets say forgiving... at his proclivity of saying stuff that make me want to rip my hair off. And in a way... it feels like the more awful he sounds the more likely it is that he's town prolly. Because he has like no filter. With that said, I did find him taking off cause of cloudflare when AJ called him sketchy a bit awkward like... so I'll keep it in mind. I also wanna see what Hallia thinks once she catches up today.

 

On a semi related note, what are your thoughts on Wifi?

 

I like this response to DPR, as well as the point about Eldrick.

 

You're kinda sketching me out Eldrick.

Shouldnt be. He is saying dumb things but not pointedly wolfy

Exactly what I mean about Darthe.

 

I don't know Bop, but I get very suspicious when I see someone talking mechanics D1 like this:

 

I am not hunting for just a 3rd party. I am saying Calder is very reminiscent of Gods and Demons, where he was a cult leader/wolf. That means he is not town. I want to lynch not town. After ALL THAT I said I think he may be 3rd party. Even if I didnt think he was third party, I would still be down to lynch him.

 

So there are reasons that do involve prior games with Calder. And yes, 3rd parties are dangerous. I dont see why this is an issue for anyone that knows my experience with 3rd parties. #AlwaysLynchSurvivors

 

i don't know about this forum, but on several other sites i've played on, it is not uncommon for wolves to hunt for third parties because in hunting for them they can try to replicate their villager game and get by more. Though how one actually hunts for third parties, beats me. They usually say something about so and so could be a third party and it is a bit of a trigger especially early on in games.

 

so i can see why it may be concerning

It comes across like you're already trying to use some type of gambit proposal to set up a future play you'll make, or as away to try and take focus from sniffing out wolves and creating setup WIFOM. "Well, in this setup on most forums, scum would do this." That may not be your conclusion, but it's how that reads to me.

 

 

 

 

2. wrong. My question to DPR is why he thinks dricky is nervous not why he is voting for him. Big difference.

DPR says in the post you quoted "Beat me to it. I've never played with Eldrick and don't know a thing about his meta, but whenever anybody posts fluff and then goes back to explain why they posted fluff, it trips me. I also am not a big fan of meta-based cases in general. Anyone can change up a play style and equally, anyone can be having a day where they are distracted and post differently than they would."

When reading DPR's quote this would be the anwser to why he's reading DPR as nervous. DPR can chime in and if im mistaken then i concede that i was wrong about this point.

You're mistaken - no one is reading me as nervous. We await your concession.

Hey bop how do you feel about the thread atm? I know that's vague, I'm mostly interested in your thoughts on players developing fast relationships with you despite you being new.

I had to pick this post up with a plastic bag and then hold it with my forefinger and thumb before I dropped it n the trash.

There's a difference between "developing fast relationships" and systematically putting yourself into the orbit of every discussion so that you can sway opinions. Could be a scum tell, could be townie swagger - we'll know soon enough - but you asking nicely about how bop "feels" and then setting up a forum from which he can spread his gospel is diiiiiirrrrrty.

FOS Darther & bop.

Guys not gonna lie this post has me panicking, idk how to handle DPRs super strong FoS

Darthe and DPR on wolf team together, perhaps? Even jokingly, I don't see Darthe as any type of panicker.

 

For everyone else: I'm seeing a few things that don't mean much on D1 but could be telling depending on D1 lynch, flips etc. I don't see anything other than what I've listed worth voting over yet, so based on that:

 

[v] Darthe[/v]

This is the stupidest post in this game, congrats on finding that low!

[Shad_]

He made a statement like this earlier as well. Im giving him a bit of space but it's confusing to watch for sure.

Do you have much (relevant) experience playing with him?

[Shad_]

Yeah I'll lynch that for now. [v]DPR[/v]

 

We'll see where I get to between now and EoD, gotta jet for real for 20 min or so.

[bopolis]

shad, what do you think of notbob at this point?

[bopolis]

Yeah I'll lynch that for now. [v]DPR[/v]

 

We'll see where I get to between now and EoD, gotta jet for real for 20 min or so.

 

[Darthe]

Last game I remember playing with DPR I caught him as a wolf D1 and it took two or three days to beat town into sheeping me but he talked himself into a corner and that finally won folks over. Definitely memorable for me, he took a lot of work.

 

If that was indicative of his normal play then youll find DPR in much the same you find wombat, which is through having an agenda and logic that seems to fit his personal goals in the game.

[Nynaeve]

 

Sucks you randed scum. I much prefer to have you as town with me.

Kinda outta nowhere aint it?

 

 

huh?

[Darthe]

Your soih read

[Darthe]

Its..Its hard to say, exactly. What do you mean by situational ethics?

 

With him, the progression in thread for him, the way his reads change, it just doesn't feel fake to me.

Hally and nyn both seems super town to me

[Nynaeve]

Your soih read

 

Looks like your selective reading is more selective than usual.

[Darthe]

 

 

 

 

 

 

2. wrong. My question to DPR is why he thinks dricky is nervous not why he is voting for him. Big difference.

DPR says in the post you quoted "Beat me to it. I've never played with Eldrick and don't know a thing about his meta, but whenever anybody posts fluff and then goes back to explain why they posted fluff, it trips me. I also am not a big fan of meta-based cases in general. Anyone can change up a play style and equally, anyone can be having a day where they are distracted and post differently than they would."

When reading DPR's quote this would be the anwser to why he's reading DPR as nervous. DPR can chime in and if im mistaken then i concede that i was wrong about this point.

You're mistaken - no one is reading me as nervous. We await your concession.

Hey bop how do you feel about the thread atm? I know that's vague, I'm mostly interested in your thoughts on players developing fast relationships with you despite you being new.

I had to pick this post up with a plastic bag and then hold it with my forefinger and thumb before I dropped it n the trash.

There's a difference between "developing fast relationships" and systematically putting yourself into the orbit of every discussion so that you can sway opinions. Could be a scum tell, could be townie swagger - we'll know soon enough - but you asking nicely about how bop "feels" and then setting up a forum from which he can spread his gospel is diiiiiirrrrrty.

FOS Darther & bop.

Guys not gonna lie this post has me panicking, idk how to handle DPRs super strong FoS

Darthe and DPR on wolf team together, perhaps? Even jokingly, I don't see Darthe as any type of panicker.

 

For everyone else: I'm seeing a few things that don't mean much on D1 but could be telling depending on D1 lynch, flips etc. I don't see anything other than what I've listed worth voting over yet, so based on that:

 

[v] Darthe[/v]

I read the darthe post as sarcastic,

Clever boy

[bopolis]

i think random's catch up post he made overnght was super wolfy.

 

Especially how he voted darthe for a comment that read as sarcastic

[bopolis]

nice xpost

[Darthe]

 

Your soih read

Looks like your selective reading is more selective than usual.

If you assume darthe reads you assume too much.

 

Im skimming every post I dont say words about

[Nynaeve]

 

 

Your soih read

Looks like your selective reading is more selective than usual.

If you assume darthe reads you assume too much.

 

Im skimming every post I dont say words about

 

 

:P    Sooh has been a main talking point for me. So, no, it's not out of no where.

[bopolis]

Unvote

 

Vote random

 

 

taking this for a spin

[Darthe]

 

 

Its..Its hard to say, exactly. What do you mean by situational ethics?

 

With him, the progression in thread for him, the way his reads change, it just doesn't feel fake to me.

We should not change the nature of the crime by the person who commits it. You suggested my play was "strange" because I was too neutral...now we see the same thing in Eldrick and you're OK with it. This is looks like Situational Ethics. It's early so I will not vote you for it here but it's something that bears watching.

But it does. All humans are different and should be treated as such. If I do something, it has different implications than if someone like say, AJ, did it. We are two different people with different playstyles.

Id appreciate seeing more folks weigh in on the whole situational ethics bit. Hally has a good response but I think it's an alignment indicative post for NB and I honestly dont know what I think of it.

[Darthe]

 

 

 

Your soih read

Looks like your selective reading is more selective than usual.

If you assume darthe reads you assume too much.

 

Im skimming every post I dont say words about

:P Sooh has been a main talking point for me. So, no, it's not out of no where.

Nonono I mean she hadnt talked in a while when you said it, not that I saw.