Hackers Mafia - Game Thread [Game Over]

[Zander?]

Ok, smaller posts are posting better

 

@Zander - everyone knows there are 2 mafia alive, Random was saying that the remaining original goon only know who their living partner is IF they'd recruited him. When you ask 'who your partner would be' it looks like you know the traitor was recruited

 

False because if SHAd was the recruit hed be a goon now right?!?!!?!?

[Sooh]

 

Also Hi Marsh :)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

For D2 and N2 I've operated under the assumption Zander is likely town. Posts like this keep pinging me though. He already knew Shad was scum when this was posted, so asking about his partner reads almost like he assumes / knows the traitor has been recruited, which I don't think we've establish through Shad's flip either way. Just a thought.

You have now placed a suspicion in my head that I can't get rid of. Zander why are you covered in tinfoil!?

 

 

 

 

 

Sock

Zander

 

 

Dice

 

My feelings on the remaining players: 

 

Town: 

Marsh

Random

 

Town lean: 

Darthe

Sock

Dice

 

Towny null: 

Cass

 

Scummy null: 

Pral

 

Scum lean: 

Zander

 

 

 

Gun to the head WTL Pral or Zander right now. But I hope we can get a clearer picture, especially with BFG here to move Cass out of the Null pile. 

 

 

I know youre a Villager but please tell me how you got from him just placing a suspicion there to me being your top Scum read!?!?!!??!

 

Dude Im Town,

 

ISO me and tell me what you think!!!!

 

 

 

The problem is, it's impossible for you not to be my top scum read when you're the only thing I have approaching a true scum read. I've been unsure on you all game but Random's point was enough to move you from scummy null to scum lean, but not really into my def scum catagory. 

 

Can you talk about your town lean on Darthe?

[Ironeyes]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What we know: 

 

Shad flipped Goon, so the scums must have either picked just one power, or one power plus recruiting traitor. That's the maximum that this setup allows for.

 

I don't know which it is, but if there's one more town power it would confirm that the traitor has been recruited. That means that IF we have a non-outed town PR, that person KNOWS the traitor has been recruited.

 

Scum had 4 choices so can you please explain how the recruitment ITSELF verifies or confirms what youre saying please?!?!!?!

 

With pleasure.

 

These are the mechanics:

 

HACK THE PLANET

The setup:

 

9 Townies

2 Mafia Goons

1 Mafia Traitor

 

Mechanics:

 

Day start with role modifiers. All players will be randomized an alignment. The three Mafia-aligned players will then be randomized into two Goons and the Traitor. Pre-game, the two Goons will have 24 hours to deliberate and pick up to 2 of the following modifiers for their team:

 

1) Change a Mafia Goon into a Mafia Role Cop

2) Change a Mafia Goon into a Mafia JOAT (1x Ninja, 1x Strongman)*

3) Change a Mafia Goon into a Bulletproof Mafia Goon

4) Recruit Mafia Traitor to a Mafia Goon

 

If they didn't pick to recruit the traitor they could have chosen two other modifiers which would have made both goons roled.

 

Shad flipped goon, which means he didn't have a role. 

 

We have 3 PRs revealed (ok, Random isn't confirmed yet, but let's assume he is).

 

That means that the mafia picked at least one modifier.

 

If they had picked two and neither of the two were recruiting the traitor, Shad would have had a role.

 

 

 

 

It just seems like theres a lof of ifs here.

 

but i can kinda see what youre saying

 

How do you feel about asking a potential final PR to reveal its existence at the start of D3 to confirm whether or not we have a traitor?

 

I mean, I don't think it would make a world of difference, but at the same time people seem to be really caught up in whether or not we do, and it would be easier possibly to look for a connection between players. 

 

[Disclaimer: Hypothetical discussion only.]

 

Actually nvm. It's too easy to exploit for scums and it would reveal a valuable PR if we do have another.

 

Agreed. If there is another PR let them stay hidden as a possible trump card. Of course scum will know if there is one becasue they got to pick how many we'd have, but there's some value in them not knowing what it is or who it is. 

[Zander?]

 

Also Hi Marsh :)

 

 

 

 

 

 

For D2 and N2 I've operated under the assumption Zander is likely town. Posts like this keep pinging me though. He already knew Shad was scum when this was posted, so asking about his partner reads almost like he assumes / knows the traitor has been recruited, which I don't think we've establish through Shad's flip either way. Just a thought.

You have now placed a suspicion in my head that I can't get rid of. Zander why are you covered in tinfoil!?

 

 

 

 

 

Sock

Zander

 

 

Dice

 

My feelings on the remaining players: 

 

Town: 

Marsh

Random

 

Town lean: 

Darthe

Sock

Dice

 

Towny null: 

Cass

 

Scummy null: 

Pral

 

Scum lean: 

Zander

 

 

 

Gun to the head WTL Pral or Zander right now. But I hope we can get a clearer picture, especially with BFG here to move Cass out of the Null pile. 

 

 

I know youre a Villager but please tell me how you got from him just placing a suspicion there to me being your top Scum read!?!?!!??!

 

Dude Im Town,

 

ISO me and tell me what you think!!!!

 

The problem is, it's impossible for you not to be my top scum read when you're the only thing I have approaching a true scum read. I've been unsure on you all game but Random's point was enough to move you from scummy null to scum lean, but not really into my def scum catagory. 

 

 

Then you def need to reread/iso because youre wrong on me.

[Zander?]

Cass you gonna come in and talk this time?!!?!?!?!?

[Ironeyes]

 

Ok, smaller posts are posting better

 

@Zander - everyone knows there are 2 mafia alive, Random was saying that the remaining original goon only know who their living partner is IF they'd recruited him. When you ask 'who your partner would be' it looks like you know the traitor was recruited

 

False because if SHAd was the recruit hed be a goon now right?!?!!?!?

 

That's true. He very well could have been the traitor originally and we'd have no way to know it. 

[Sooh]

 

Ok, smaller posts are posting better

 

@Zander - everyone knows there are 2 mafia alive, Random was saying that the remaining original goon only know who their living partner is IF they'd recruited him. When you ask 'who your partner would be' it looks like you know the traitor was recruited

 

False because if SHAd was the recruit hed be a goon now right?!?!!?!?

 

I don't understand what you're trying to say with this. 

 

Yes, he would be, but what if he's one of the original goons and there's still a traitor out there? Then the remaining MAIN TEAM scum doesn't know who his ONLY LIVING PARTNER is. 

 

The traitor would still know. 

[Zander?]

 

 

Ok, smaller posts are posting better

 

@Zander - everyone knows there are 2 mafia alive, Random was saying that the remaining original goon only know who their living partner is IF they'd recruited him. When you ask 'who your partner would be' it looks like you know the traitor was recruited

 

False because if SHAd was the recruit hed be a goon now right?!?!!?!?

 

That's true. He very well could have been the traitor originally and we'd have no way to know it. 

 

 

THANK GOD SOMEONE GETS IT FFS!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

[Ironeyes]

 

 

 

 

Can you talk about your town lean on Darthe?

 

Sure. I've actually been town reading him since middle of day 1, due to the positive WIM I was seeing. He isn't spending as much time here as in the early game, but I still get an honest feel from his posts rather than a manipulative one. 

[randomh3r0]

 

 

 

What we know:

 

Shad flipped Goon, so the scums must have either picked just one power, or one power plus recruiting traitor. That's the maximum that this setup allows for.

 

I don't know which it is, but if there's one more town power it would confirm that the traitor has been recruited. That means that IF we have a non-outed town PR, that person KNOWS the traitor has been recruited.

Scum had 4 choices so can you please explain how the recruitment ITSELF verifies or confirms what youre saying please?!?!!?!

With pleasure.

 

These are the mechanics:

 

HACK THE PLANET

The setup:

 

9 Townies

2 Mafia Goons

1 Mafia Traitor

 

Mechanics:

 

Day start with role modifiers. All players will be randomized an alignment. The three Mafia-aligned players will then be randomized into two Goons and the Traitor. Pre-game, the two Goons will have 24 hours to deliberate and pick up to 2 of the following modifiers for their team:

 

1) Change a Mafia Goon into a Mafia Role Cop

2) Change a Mafia Goon into a Mafia JOAT (1x Ninja, 1x Strongman)*

3) Change a Mafia Goon into a Bulletproof Mafia Goon

4) Recruit Mafia Traitor to a Mafia Goon

If they didn't pick to recruit the traitor they could have chosen two other modifiers which would have made both goons roled.

 

Shad flipped goon, which means he didn't have a role.

 

We have 3 PRs revealed (ok, Random isn't confirmed yet, but let's assume he is).

 

That means that the mafia picked at least one modifier.

 

If they had picked two and neither of the two were recruiting the traitor, Shad would have had a role.

It just seems like theres a lof of ifs here.

 

but i can kinda see what youre saying

This made me think: on top of us having two PRs and Shad flipping goon, whoever did the mafia faction kill N1 used a regular shot despite the potential existence of a BG. This seems to imply that they may not have selected the JOAT modifier. (It's another if, but wouldn't they want to take out cop ahead of BG at all costs?)

This might indeed indicate they elected the recruit modifier. Unless I'm missing something

[Sooh]

 

 

 

 

Can you talk about your town lean on Darthe?

 

Sure. I've actually been town reading him since middle of day 1, due to the positive WIM I was seeing. He isn't spending as much time here as in the early game, but I still get an honest feel from his posts rather than a manipulative one. 

 

I don't remember any positive WIM, can you quote?

[BFG]

@Zander big post on Pral, he seems consistent throughout this. Doesn't like playing when not caught up (true of either alignment afaik), is 40 pages behind, has read 40 pages [but x behind the next], shares the impressions he has, but doesn't have the case yet as he isn't certain (?) of his reads until caught up.

 

Is your problem that he says something instead of saying nothing? Because I don't understand the problem with this?

[Zander?]

 

 

 

 

What we know:

 

Shad flipped Goon, so the scums must have either picked just one power, or one power plus recruiting traitor. That's the maximum that this setup allows for.

 

I don't know which it is, but if there's one more town power it would confirm that the traitor has been recruited. That means that IF we have a non-outed town PR, that person KNOWS the traitor has been recruited.

Scum had 4 choices so can you please explain how the recruitment ITSELF verifies or confirms what youre saying please?!?!!?!

With pleasure.

 

These are the mechanics:

 

HACK THE PLANET

The setup:

 

9 Townies

2 Mafia Goons

1 Mafia Traitor

 

Mechanics:

 

Day start with role modifiers. All players will be randomized an alignment. The three Mafia-aligned players will then be randomized into two Goons and the Traitor. Pre-game, the two Goons will have 24 hours to deliberate and pick up to 2 of the following modifiers for their team:

 

1) Change a Mafia Goon into a Mafia Role Cop

2) Change a Mafia Goon into a Mafia JOAT (1x Ninja, 1x Strongman)*

3) Change a Mafia Goon into a Bulletproof Mafia Goon

4) Recruit Mafia Traitor to a Mafia Goon

If they didn't pick to recruit the traitor they could have chosen two other modifiers which would have made both goons roled.

 

Shad flipped goon, which means he didn't have a role.

 

We have 3 PRs revealed (ok, Random isn't confirmed yet, but let's assume he is).

 

That means that the mafia picked at least one modifier.

 

If they had picked two and neither of the two were recruiting the traitor, Shad would have had a role.

It just seems like theres a lof of ifs here.

 

but i can kinda see what youre saying

This made me think: on top of us having two PRs and Shad flipping goon, whoever did the mafia faction kill N1 used a regular shot despite the potential existence of a BG. This seems to imply that they may not have selected the JOAT modifier. (It's another if, but wouldn't they want to take out cop ahead of BG at all costs?)

This might indeed indicate they elected the recruit modifier. Unless I'm missing something

 

 

why are you assuming they didnt use a strongman?!!?!??

[Zander?]

@Zander big post on Pral, he seems consistent throughout this. Doesn't like playing when not caught up (true of either alignment afaik), is 40 pages behind, has read 40 pages [but x behind the next], shares the impressions he has, but doesn't have the case yet as he isn't certain (?) of his reads until caught up.

 

Is your problem that he says something instead of saying nothing? Because I don't understand the problem with this?

 

its a contradiction.

[randomh3r0]

@zander because if they used a strongman, Calder wouldn't have died as BG, I would have

[Ironeyes]

 

 

Ok, smaller posts are posting better

 

@Zander - everyone knows there are 2 mafia alive, Random was saying that the remaining original goon only know who their living partner is IF they'd recruited him. When you ask 'who your partner would be' it looks like you know the traitor was recruited

 

False because if SHAd was the recruit hed be a goon now right?!?!!?!?

 

I don't understand what you're trying to say with this. 

 

Yes, he would be, but what if he's one of the original goons and there's still a traitor out there? Then the remaining MAIN TEAM scum doesn't know who his ONLY LIVING PARTNER is. 

 

The traitor would still know. 

 

In that case we'd need to look for a) signals from the remaining traitor and b) connections between Shad and his former partner. I think we've been doing a lot of the second, which is good. But it would be worthwhile to look for some of the first. I might have time for a reread over the weekend, but it's not guaranteed. Too many projects due before finals week. 

[Zander?]

@zander because if they used a strongman, Calder wouldn't have died as BG, I would have

 

i dont think it works that way but im not sure.

[Sooh]

 

@zander because if they used a strongman, Calder wouldn't have died as BG, I would have

 

i dont think it works that way but im not sure.

 

Didn't AJ confirm in the thread that it would?

[randomh3r0]

 

@zander because if they used a strongman, Calder wouldn't have died as BG, I would have

i dont think it works that way but im not sure.

My understanding of strongman is that it ignores BGs or BPVs during a kill

[Ironeyes]

 

 

 

 

 

Can you talk about your town lean on Darthe?

 

Sure. I've actually been town reading him since middle of day 1, due to the positive WIM I was seeing. He isn't spending as much time here as in the early game, but I still get an honest feel from his posts rather than a manipulative one. 

 

I don't remember any positive WIM, can you quote?

 

Lemme go look. 

[Sooh]

Actually I think AJ quoted this, which confirms the Bodyguard would have been unable to protect against the kill. 

[BFG]

This setup stuff seems a waste of time

 

If another goon flips we know the traitor was recruited, if a new PR reveals we know the traitor was recruited. If either of these things happen then Shad knew the full team. Until then we have to work on the assumption that he knew at least one partner and may or may not have known the other and that one of the remaining team may not know who their partner is

 

Can we play mafia now? :)

[randomh3r0]

Focus on what we know for sure (I'm counting my PR so you can use this when I flip):

 

Town has two PRs

Mafia gets two modifiers for that

Shad flipped mafia goon with no role

Marsh is IC

Calder was BG

I am cop

Mafia has two remaining players, which may be working together, or at least one of the two knows who the other is (if not recruited traitor would know)

That's all I can think of right now

[BFG]

 

@Zander big post on Pral, he seems consistent throughout this. Doesn't like playing when not caught up (true of either alignment afaik), is 40 pages behind, has read 40 pages [but x behind the next], shares the impressions he has, but doesn't have the case yet as he isn't certain (?) of his reads until caught up.

 

Is your problem that he says something instead of saying nothing? Because I don't understand the problem with this?

 

its a contradiction.

 

Ok thanks, I disagree that it's alignment indicative but you do you :)

[Zander?]

Normal Guidelines

A Mafia or Serial Killer aligned Strongman is considered Normal on mafiascum.net. A Strongman cannot be stopped from performing a kill, unless their target has commuted. A Bodyguard would essentially be stopped from protecting against a kill and would not die.

 

 

ummmmm.....can someone read this and tell me what they think?!?!!?