[Standard] Final Fantasy VII Mafia - Mafia Wins D4

[Cory Caboose]

The fact that Sooh [doesn't make a single read on Ironeyes alignment besides unvoting him after he claims PR saying she won't vote an un-cc'd PR] is just so goddamn hilarious considering two people are defending her re: her handling of Ironeyes
 
She talks with him briefly or mentions him in 252, 290, 369, 652 - none with any inkling whatsoever as to what she thinks of Iron's alignment
 
Until one hour from EoD she says she's suspect of how Darthe is fighting Iron's lynch (862) to this:
 
(won't let me quote)

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/99552-standard-final-fantasy-vii-mafia-game-thread/page-46?do=findComment&comment=3721650

before retracting and switching back to Darthe after Iron's claim

To even use the word "progression" is meaningless to me

[csarmi]

Nyn - I feel like she's similar to the hydra game we just played together. She points out things and follows up on things that she points out, and she has that level of sass I expect from her. I feel very good about her rn.

 

BFG - I probably feel the most comfortable with her besides Nyn so far. I think she's inquisitive and asking questions around the board. 

 

Darthe - He seems fine this game so far. Sort of skirting the middle of the line a little. I think I'm leaning town, with a slight tinfoil that he might be similar to the VS game where he wasn't showing much interest. I just don't know if staying around and forcing other people to attempt to read him with little information and being the center of attention = not showing interest, so that's why I have him as town for now.

 

Cory - I know he's super busy these days, but I find it a bit odd how there hasn't been more critical questions. I know he sometimes takes a while to warm up, so he's not in my lynch pool today, though he's right about that whole big expectations thing. I just feel that even as a wolf he would try harder, if that makes sense? 

 

Liz - I have no experience with Liz. From memory during the beginning of the game I felt her questions were kind of reachy, but we do seem to have a very different approach to the game as a whole. I'm cautiously optimistic that her line of questioning will actually lead to good things for town and not just be a way to place doubt in people's heads about different slots. 

 

Alanna - I dislike intensely the pushes to lynch Csarmi. I would always wait for mod intervention on that slot if he hadn't showed up. I also had slight pings over the Alanna/Darthe interactions like I mentioned before. My confidence in reading Alanna has never been very high, but I still think she's being scummy this game. 

 

I don't have a clear memory on the rest, so I'll have to go back and read now.

 

 

Is it just me or is Darthe effectively fighting Ironeyes lynch?

 

 

I have absolutely no idea what Darthe is doing right now, but it seems to be designed to take the pressure of Ironeyes and onto *whoever*.

 

[v]Darthe[/v]

 

 

 

Town darthe needs to warm up, get heated somehow. Wolf darthe is already there.

 

[V] sooh

if voting me because im pulling from marsh, why not just vote marsh?

 

I sure can if you prefer.

 

[v]Ironeyes[/v]

 

 

 

 

I have absolutely no idea what Darthe is doing right now, but it seems to be designed to take the pressure of Ironeyes and onto *whoever*.

 

[v]Darthe[/v]

 

And that makes him a wolf how?

 

I don't know if you've ever heard of 

A. Wolves saving PR wolves

B. Wolves white knighting villagers they know will flip villa to look good.

 

 

 

 

 

Being a spectator at your own death is pretty entertaining.

Maybe stop being a spectator? :P

 

Well there's pretty much nothing I can do ATP to dig myself out except role claim and yall won't believe me anyway. I'm the town jailer

 

 

 

[unvote]

 

Ok, so back to the drawing board I guess. I don't want to vote an unccd PR.

 

 

 

Vote count!

 

Alannalynn - 3 - Nynaeve, IronEyes, Liz

Cory Caboose - 1 - Prallia

Sooh - 1 - Darthe

Darthe - 1 - Alanna

 

Day phase ends at 12:30 Eastern on Saturday, 10/29!  

 

 

 

 

I want to know how Darthe was so sure about Ironeyes being town.

 

[v]Darthe[/v]

[Cory Caboose]

You'll never stop me tinfoiling :(

 

If you decide I'm a wolf I will self-vote and peace the thread for real because I think at that point there'd be nothing I can do anyway

 

So I guess think carefully

[Cory Caboose]

lol csarmi

 

I had that problem with the quotes too and just gave up :P

[csarmi]

The fact that Sooh [doesn't make a single read on Ironeyes alignment besides unvoting him after he claims PR saying she won't vote an un-cc'd PR] is just so goddamn hilarious considering two people are defending her re: her handling of Ironeyes

 

She talks with him briefly or mentions him in 252, 290, 369, 652 - none with any inkling whatsoever as to what she thinks of Iron's alignment

 

Until one hour from EoD she says she's suspect of how Darthe is fighting Iron's lynch (862) to this:

 

(won't let me quote)

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/99552-standard-final-fantasy-vii-mafia-game-thread/page-46?do=findComment&comment=3721650

 

before retracting and switching back to Darthe after Iron's claim

 

To even use the word "progression" is meaningless to me

Who's is defending her in regards to her reads on Ironeyes?

[BFG]

 

You'll never stop me tinfoiling :(

 

If you decide I'm a wolf I will self-vote and peace the thread for real because I think at that point there'd be nothing I can do anyway

 

So I guess think carefully

 

I'm pretty confident in my town read of you at this point, please just keep going, it helps :)

[Cory Caboose]

 

PRAL IS YOUR READ ON SOOH CONDITIONAL TO YOUR READ ON ME OR IS IT BECAUSE YOU THINK SHE'S A VILLAGER RE: HER CONTENT

 

pls answer

No, I mentioned a bit earlier why I read sooh town. Especially because of her progression on Ironeyes and Darthe on D1.

 

[Cory Caboose]

 

Please explain to me how > pushing someone > having them claim PR > backing off saying you don't want to lynch an uncc'd PR is something only a villager can do

 

Please explain how Sooh reversing her read on Darthe after Ironeyes claimed and the wagons became pretty much Laine (who I was fighting as a wagon the entire day) and Darthe / Sooh was something she would only do as a villager

She reversed her read before Ironeyes claimed.

 

[BFG]

The formatting is a code thing. If you vote with a V and close with a v (upper case vs lower case) then whoever quoting it gets messed up

[Cory Caboose]

I'm not even saying it's wolfy

 

I just really wish people would stop [making things up that didn't happen] and assign villager/wolf points for it because I would argue it's a poor strategy

[Cory Caboose]

The formatting is a code thing. If you vote with a V and close with a v (upper case vs lower case) then whoever quoting it gets messed up

 

thank you this is actually super helpful

[csarmi]

I've been defending her for her progression on Darthe and because she doesn't seem to know what she's doing there at all, just trying to find her way.

 

I can buy her trying to get a grasp on anything that sticks out.

 

Remember, there was 1-2 hours left. There was a sense of urgency. And in retrospective, there were exclusively townies being wagoned (at that point).

[Cory Caboose]

Sooh's not a clueless villager csarmi. she's got a good deal of experience and IMO is pretty solid and is pretty forthcoming with her reads

[Cory Caboose]

csarmi at this point we're not getting anywhere

 

i am sooh's counterwagon so if you don't want to to vote her, vote me and we can expedite this process because nothing remotely productive is happening anymore

[csarmi]

 

 

PRAL IS YOUR READ ON SOOH CONDITIONAL TO YOUR READ ON ME OR IS IT BECAUSE YOU THINK SHE'S A VILLAGER RE: HER CONTENT

 

pls answer

No, I mentioned a bit earlier why I read sooh town. Especially because of her progression on Ironeyes and Darthe on D1.

 

 

I'm not Pralaya so I can't comment much on this except that it seemed to me that Sooh seemed confused about the Darthe/Ironeyes thing. The weirdest part is where she moves her vote from Darthe to Ironeyes on Darthe's prodding.

Made sense to me then but now it isn't, it's utter nonsense. She never said she had an idea on Iron's alignment and it's Darthe who's doing the "white knighting" (which is NOT scummy btw and never have been I wish people would stop that)...

Then Ironeyes claims and she is back to Darthe.

 

Read me those dozen pages Cory and tell me how a townie is less likely to do all that than a wolf.

 

 

 

 

Please explain to me how > pushing someone > having them claim PR > backing off saying you don't want to lynch an uncc'd PR is something only a villager can do

 

Please explain how Sooh reversing her read on Darthe after Ironeyes claimed and the wagons became pretty much Laine (who I was fighting as a wagon the entire day) and Darthe / Sooh was something she would only do as a villager

She reversed her read before Ironeyes claimed.

 

 

I think we're talking parallel, I'm talking about the Darthe read being reversed (and always have been).

[csarmi]

Sooh's not a clueless villager csarmi. she's got a good deal of experience and IMO is pretty solid and is pretty forthcoming with her reads

So being confused and acting weird makes her a wolf because as a townie she's concise? Is that your point?

[csarmi]

csarmi at this point we're not getting anywhere

 

i am sooh's counterwagon so if you don't want to to vote her, vote me and we can expedite this process because nothing remotely productive is happening anymore

What about Liz?

[Katiora]

@Kat Can you explain your read on me?

Not really... it's mostly gut. 

[Cory Caboose]

Answer is as always " wolves do weird things a lot"

 

Who do you want to lunch today salami

[Cory Caboose]

 

Sooh's not a clueless villager csarmi. she's got a good deal of experience and IMO is pretty solid and is pretty forthcoming with her reads

So being confused and acting weird makes her a wolf because as a townie she's concise? Is that your point?

As a villager she cares about her reads

 

She does not care about her reads this game

 

Do the math

[Cory Caboose]

 

csarmi at this point we're not getting anywhere

 

i am sooh's counterwagon so if you don't want to to vote her, vote me and we can expedite this process because nothing remotely productive is happening anymore

What about Liz?

Not willing to fight bfg

[Cory Caboose]

Liz at times makes me wonder if she's a villager or not

 

More than I can say for Sooh or Kat Who are going through the motions at best

[csarmi]

Answer is as always " wolves do weird things a lot"

 

Who do you want to lunch today salami

A wolf. I just dunno who they are.

[Cory Caboose]

Actually

 

[v]Pral/Hallia[/v]

[Cory Caboose]

 

Answer is as always " wolves do weird things a lot"

 

Who do you want to lunch today salami

A wolf. I just dunno who they are.

Good talk