Tarmon Gaidon [Advanced Mafia] Game Over

[Darthe]

 

Well im glad to know you dont hate it.

It's more than that. I think I see someone or someones trying to save Kat again. Last EoD there was a sudden CFD that saved her, and now they're doing it again but early because there's a chance that the deadline comes soon. It makes me want to lynch Kat all the more.

Comparing trains would be interesting

[Darthe]

 

Have I been actually cased? I dont think I have. No one can show me being wplfy, manipulating things in any clear way or being dishonest. It doesnt exist.

What they can show is that ive said things people dont like and ive acted in a way that isnt *in hindsight* what was most beneficial for this town. Thats what layas voting me on, and thats flat out pitiful since it directly points to me being *UNINFORMED*.

You guys set up your martyr and are begging to please knock it down before It falls on you.

 

 

I'm pretty sure you have pretty significantly. I spent like all of the QT in N1 and in N2 talking about you.

Tel or stedding?

[Zander?]

 

 

 

 

You think with Darthe claiming Commuter and Hallia Doc a Darthe!Scum flip should completely lock clear Hallia or just about?

 

How do you feel about Hallia's claim by itself.

 

Then add the res of the game and tell me your read on her please?

 

 

 

Like I said yesterday, I don't see her scum based on how she voted D1. She had already suspected JS and could have voted JS instead of the much stronger Hellian. I don't see her as scum doing it.

 

I don't give much credence to the claim given that scum have fake claims. The only thing that stood out while I read the game is that JS called out Hallia as doc before she claimed it, based on just her character claim. I kinda felt as if JS had TMI - like he already knew she was a doc or had a doc claim but given the theme, it is not that surprising, I guess. 

 

 

Do youre saying Hallia pretty close to clear atp?

 

if Darthe is Town and flip Commuter do you start to suss Hallia?

 

 

Yes, kind of.

 

So far all we have seen is very weak version of town powers. Like tinker is claiming 1xTracker. Ironeyes claimed 1xVig. So, let's see. 

 

 

Ok fair enough.

[Darthe]

 

Im todays lynch over kat btw. Wild will hop on me to tie it and kat isnt voting yet, but I bet you she finds a way to miraculously show up.

You guys know im town. Theres never been a darthe in this history of darthes thats this impassioned, has this wim, or manages to make these points at his lynch.

If you dont see that, you may as well go ahead and quit, this game isnt for your town.

 

 

Stop the WIM lol seriously. If there's this much pressure on you and it's lasted this long maybe you should really consider that you haven't played your best town game. 

 

The bold is something that I also want to avoid.

It's pretty obviously happening

[Ironeyes]

I want to see Shad case someone not Kat or Darthe. I've been relying on him in a lot of ways to bounce ideas off but he hasn't said much about me or anyone else really. Trying to fly under the radar while maintaining a strong position while everyone is preoccupied?

He's already said that he is kind of lost and can't move on without a flip. I feel the same; every time I try to case someone besides Kat or Darthe I just go round in circles

[Ironeyes]

 

 

Well im glad to know you dont hate it.

It's more than that. I think I see someone or someones trying to save Kat again. Last EoD there was a sudden CFD that saved her, and now they're doing it again but early because there's a chance that the deadline comes soon. It makes me want to lynch Kat all the more.

Comparing trains would be interesting

If you want to do it I'll be interested. I'm on mobile and can't at the moment. Maybe later

[Darthe]

 

Im todays lynch over kat btw. Wild will hop on me to tie it and kat isnt voting yet, but I bet you she finds a way to miraculously show up.

You guys know im town. Theres never been a darthe in this history of darthes thats this impassioned, has this wim, or manages to make these points at his lynch.

If you dont see that, you may as well go ahead and quit, this game isnt for your town.

 

 

Stop the WIM lol seriously. If there's this much pressure on you and it's lasted this long maybe you should really consider that you haven't played your best town game. 

 

The bold is something that I also want to avoid.

Im fully aware, people expect to see a lot of me to count me as town though. Im not someone anyones ever comfy reading and just trusting that read, so if I dont post at near zander levels and catch a wolf and make all optimal plays I get cased.

 

I just dont have that in me every game. Keep in mind that im a double grad student with a new job giys, please. I cant do everything all the time to stay where youd like to see me.

[Darthe]

 

 

 

Well im glad to know you dont hate it.

It's more than that. I think I see someone or someones trying to save Kat again. Last EoD there was a sudden CFD that saved her, and now they're doing it again but early because there's a chance that the deadline comes soon. It makes me want to lynch Kat all the more.

Comparing trains would be interesting

If you want to do it I'll be interested. I'm on mobile and can't at the moment. Maybe later

Ditto, mobile til 5:30, no signal on the 45 min drive home after.

[Tiinker]

 

Well im glad to know you dont hate it.

It's more than that. I think I see someone or someones trying to save Kat again. Last EoD there was a sudden CFD that saved her, and now they're doing it again but early because there's a chance that the deadline comes soon. It makes me want to lynch Kat all the more.

 

 

There's reasoning here I could agree with but I think that requires some really good coordination to pull off. Have to analyze trains and see if it adds up.

[Darthe]

If kats town I get that nothing is saving me. I dont get why anyone on the outside would ever consider me the better choice to lynch, not in any regard from wolfiness to wim to anything, really.

[Cass]

 

Holy shit, I DIDNT SUBMIT A LOCATION. THERES NO GODDAMN MOTIVATION FOR WHERE I WOUND UP

 

 

If you are actually town this game, you have made some awful decisions this game. Not resolving kat D2 and instead moving onto Believer who was more or less confirmed town, not choosing you abilities, trying to draw NK etc. I don't see these coming from town you, frankly. 

 

 

Pretty much this. Plus concern over the fact that you've hedged on Hallia and shaded the idea of Doc while lynching Believer.

 

And the fact that Hallia is still alive as claimed Doc.

 

And the fact that a role which can drag players to TAR makes sense for scum.

 

And that Kat being dragged to TAR lines up with the last time you were in TAR, the only place you can use your powers.

 

And you're going to TAR again tonight.

 

We're happy with a Kat/Darthe lynch today and have said as much, the hedging and possibilities above is the reason I want you resolved first.

 

Yes, it's a jump. 

 

If it's not you though, then who?

 

I'm glad to see you've got some WIM. I guarantee you it's not us.

[Darthe]

 

 

Well im glad to know you dont hate it.

 

It's more than that. I think I see someone or someones trying to save Kat again. Last EoD there was a sudden CFD that saved her, and now they're doing it again but early because there's a chance that the deadline comes soon. It makes me want to lynch Kat all the more.

 

There's reasoning here I could agree with but I think that requires some really good coordination to pull off. Have to analyze trains and see if it adds up.

It only takes a couple of apathetic villagers and a couple posts like what happened with hally and laya earlier where cass/z posted the fearmongering posts and those two bit. I pointed it iut right then.

[Zander?]

 

 

 

You think with Darthe claiming Commuter and Hallia Doc a Darthe!Scum flip should completely lock clear Hallia or just about?

 

How do you feel about Hallia's claim by itself.

 

Then add the res of the game and tell me your read on her please?

 

Like I said yesterday, I don't see her scum based on how she voted D1. She had already suspected JS and could have voted JS instead of the much stronger Hellian. I don't see her as scum doing it.

 

I don't give much credence to the claim given that scum have fake claims. The only thing that stood out while I read the game is that JS called out Hallia as doc before she claimed it, based on just her character claim. I kinda felt as if JS had TMI - like he already knew she was a doc or had a doc claim but given the theme, it is not that surprising, I guess.

Do youre saying Hallia pretty close to clear atp?

 

if Darthe is Town and flip Commuter do you start to suss Hallia?

 

Please everyone note that zass *is a wolf*.

 

IS A WOLF.

 

with a day left theyre suddently full against oynching kat and making constant cases against me based on *what if*.

 

*Now theyre stacking that if my power is true and im town does that make hally a wolf?*

 

So how do you push me for my ability claim, set up that actually if it's true we should lynch the other protective role, then say but go ahead and lynch this one anyhow?

 

 

Thats exactly what id do it I was a wolf. When I die remember this post. When kat flips, if they let it happen, remember this sudden push and switch.

 

 

Keep your OMGUS to yourself.

 

If youre Town Im sincerely sorry and I will accept some of the blame if wrong.

 

But you need to own up to your own game to man.

 

Drop a full reads list with reasoning for us.

 

Even IF were wrong you can still help at night and if you flip what you claim you very likely out a Wolf.

 

Im still interested in Kat so dig in and make us believe.

[Ironeyes]

 

 

Well im glad to know you dont hate it.

It's more than that. I think I see someone or someones trying to save Kat again. Last EoD there was a sudden CFD that saved her, and now they're doing it again but early because there's a chance that the deadline comes soon. It makes me want to lynch Kat all the more.

There's reasoning here I could agree with but I think that requires some really good coordination to pull off. Have to analyze trains and see if it adds up.

Could you do that? Or at least quote them both.

[Tiinker]

 

 

 

Well im glad to know you dont hate it.

It's more than that. I think I see someone or someones trying to save Kat again. Last EoD there was a sudden CFD that saved her, and now they're doing it again but early because there's a chance that the deadline comes soon. It makes me want to lynch Kat all the more.

There's reasoning here I could agree with but I think that requires some really good coordination to pull off. Have to analyze trains and see if it adds up.

Could you do that? Or at least quote them both.

 

 

Yeah but not until I get home tonight.

[Cass]

 

 

 

 

 

He could have gone to TAR n2 and used his ability and I don't see how it's logical to think he'd draw the nk given where he was at ITT D2.

 

@Darthe - please explain how your role works and the motivation behind going to TAR tonight and night 1 but not N2.

Holy shit, I DIDNT SUBMIT A LOCATION. THERES NO GODDAMN MOTIVATION FOR WHERE I WOUND UP

You're missing the point/question.

 

I'm asking why n3 is different to n2 for you.

 

Why you care where you end up n3 if you didn't care n2.

 

Why you would specifically choose to go to TAR tonight because:

 

I was in stedding because I again didn't submit. I wanted to get the NK since it was + ev at the time. Now, I've made sure to submit TEL

a) I don't believe you'd believe you'd be a legit choice for NK N2 after contention on you D2;

 

b) You made a point here that you've made sure to submit to TAR

My power starts to matter if I show that I can live through another day, especially if kat is a wolf. Do you think my reaction to you was a wolf or town reaction?

Can you explain the bold?

 

And your reaction could go either way.

Imagine a confirmed town player who can't be killed. Thats been my goal and I sware ive said that like three times now. All I need Is a peek or to clear myself which, I think, can be done.

 

 

So why were you 'hoping to draw the NK'?

[Darthe]

 

 

Holy shit, I DIDNT SUBMIT A LOCATION. THERES NO GODDAMN MOTIVATION FOR WHERE I WOUND UP

 

 

If you are actually town this game, you have made some awful decisions this game. Not resolving kat D2 and instead moving onto Believer who was more or less confirmed town, not choosing you abilities, trying to draw NK etc. I don't see these coming from town you, frankly. 

 

Pretty much this. Plus concern over the fact that you've hedged on Hallia and shaded the idea of Doc while lynching Believer.

And the fact that Hallia is still alive as claimed Doc.

 

And the fact that a role which can drag players to TAR makes sense for scum.

 

And that Kat being dragged to TAR lines up with the last time you were in TAR, the only place you can use your powers.

 

And you're going to TAR again tonight.

 

We're happy with a Kat/Darthe lynch today and have said as much, the hedging and possibilities above is the reason I want you resolved first.

 

Yes, it's a jump. 

 

If it's not you though, then who?

 

I'm glad to see you've got some WIM. I guarantee you it's not us.

I couldnt know those were bad plays til I did them, that points stupid. Flat stupid.

 

No clue why hally is alive, thats not a point against me though, its more a question that youre treating like an accusation.

 

The third point you literally ****ing made up. Why do I have to keep saying this? It's also utterly irrelevant because it has nothing to do with *me specifically*. It's about wolves in general.

 

Kat being dragged to Tar says you believe her. That says you know she Is telling the truth, which doesnt line up with your slot wanting to resolve her or calling us w/w. Good luck explaining that internal conflict.

 

Lol wait, so you believe her and are good to lynch me using that as evidence but your next line youre totally ok with resolving her still? Thats talking out both sides of your mouth plain as day.

 

If not me then who is also a case.

 

Congrats, youve managed to recant five things utterly irrelevant to my alignment a dozen times across twenty pages and you expect me to believe that you honestly think those have baring on my alignment?

 

Get rekt, youre a wolf or youre useless this game, either way youre better dead.

[Zander?]

 

 

 

But I'm going to stop commenting and let y'all do your thing for a while. Don't want to be a distraction.

Shad do you buy Hallia's claim?

 

Anyone's claim youre not buying?

 

Whats your current reads list look like?

 

If were wrong on Kat and or Darthe where next?

 

I want input into:

 

How likely is it that there's a Doc?

 

How likely is it that there's a Cop?

 

Fine, let's just do Kat/Darthe. I do t care which order.

[v] Kat [/v]

I also know why I'm left alive. I have great equity "oh, Hallia alive still? Better mislynch"

It happens with me all the time.

I would still be ok with lynching him.

Halli, can you ISO my last few posts and tell me what you think?

 

Here I think the role that commuted Kat (if it exists) could be used against a Doc.

 

I think Darthe may be that role.

 

If he is, and we lynch Kat first, the Doc's in danger.

Not only is this hellacious fear mongering, it also acknowledges awareness of the doc.

 

 

Elaborate on the fear mongering part please?

 

Also I think we've been pretty clear on our Hallia stance so Im not sure what your concern is here?

 

Omg darthe youre going after the top townie bu consensus when youre about to get lynched today or tomorrow.

 

 

Im aware. If I remotely cared about living I wouldnt do this. I prefer to actually win the game though and I told you I needed to find the wolf yall missed. It aint shad, it aint hally, it aint marsh, it aint any of them.

 

Kat, zass, wild.

 

You all know how much easier it is to see the truth in my spot (assuming im town). Heres your effort, here is your resolve. Kill me to verify, thays totally cool, just dont forget what I say. Theyre going to want to bury this and get far far away.

 

So DONT LET THEM

 

Its good to see you dig in some.

 

Were not Scum so humor me and add another person.

 

A full reads list with reasoning would go a long way for you imo.

 

 

Holy shit, I DIDNT SUBMIT A LOCATION. THERES NO GODDAMN MOTIVATION FOR WHERE I WOUND UP

 

 

If you are actually town this game, you have made some awful decisions this game. Not resolving kat D2 and instead moving onto Believer who was more or less confirmed town, not choosing you abilities, trying to draw NK etc. I don't see these coming from town you, frankly. 

 

 

I very rarely subscribe to the its ALL the players fault when ML.

 

If Darthes Town

 

These are issues Ive had with him.

 

I woudlnt say its ALL his fault if were wrong.

 

 

 

 

Holy shit, I DIDNT SUBMIT A LOCATION. THERES NO GODDAMN MOTIVATION FOR WHERE I WOUND UP

If you are actually town this game, you have made some awful decisions this game. Not resolving kat D2 and instead moving onto Believer who was more or less confirmed town, not choosing you abilities, trying to draw NK etc. I don't see these coming from town you, frankly.

Yes I have. Believer made more sense to me but I think the rest of it in hindsight was inoptimal

 

 

So you were a Believer in the "we had 3 Scum trains" D1???

[Cass]

@Darthe

 

Your claiming your role is only self-protecting yea?

[Cass]

I cannot believe I just let that typo go through.

 

#FOREVERSHAMED!

[Tiinker]

I gotta admit I haven't understand a lot of what Zass has been saying this game. Let's just lynch Kat for god's sake because we'll have Darthe tomorrow if we're wrong and it means we can have a different discussion. I'm more willing to buy Darthe being town over Kat. If she's town then we lynch Darthe tomorrow.

 

 

Lynch Kat today - Kat turns out town - Darthe is toast

Lynch Darthe today - Darthe turns out town - Kat is toast

 

It's the exact same progression. However,

 

Lynch Kat today - Kat turns out scum - Darthe is very likely not scum and we can benefit massively from his commuting

Lynch Darthe today - Darthe turns out scum - We get a 1x track 

[Cass]

 

 

 

Holy shit, I DIDNT SUBMIT A LOCATION. THERES NO GODDAMN MOTIVATION FOR WHERE I WOUND UP

 

If you are actually town this game, you have made some awful decisions this game. Not resolving kat D2 and instead moving onto Believer who was more or less confirmed town, not choosing you abilities, trying to draw NK etc. I don't see these coming from town you, frankly. 

 

Pretty much this. Plus concern over the fact that you've hedged on Hallia and shaded the idea of Doc while lynching Believer.

And the fact that Hallia is still alive as claimed Doc.

 

And the fact that a role which can drag players to TAR makes sense for scum.

 

And that Kat being dragged to TAR lines up with the last time you were in TAR, the only place you can use your powers.

 

And you're going to TAR again tonight.

 

We're happy with a Kat/Darthe lynch today and have said as much, the hedging and possibilities above is the reason I want you resolved first.

 

Yes, it's a jump. 

 

If it's not you though, then who?

 

I'm glad to see you've got some WIM. I guarantee you it's not us.

I couldnt know those were bad plays til I did them, that points stupid. Flat stupid.

 

No clue why hally is alive, thats not a point against me though, its more a question that youre treating like an accusation.

 

The third point you literally ****ing made up. Why do I have to keep saying this? It's also utterly irrelevant because it has nothing to do with *me specifically*. It's about wolves in general.

 

Kat being dragged to Tar says you believe her. That says you know she Is telling the truth, which doesnt line up with your slot wanting to resolve her or calling us w/w. Good luck explaining that internal conflict.

 

Lol wait, so you believe her and are good to lynch me using that as evidence but your next line youre totally ok with resolving her still? Thats talking out both sides of your mouth plain as day.

 

If not me then who is also a case.

 

Congrats, youve managed to recant five things utterly irrelevant to my alignment a dozen times across twenty pages and you expect me to believe that you honestly think those have baring on my alignment?

 

Get rekt, youre a wolf or youre useless this game, either way youre better dead.

 

 

Don't misrep - we're considering it a possibility, not guaranteed truth.

[Ironeyes]

@Darthe

 

Your claiming your role is only self-protecting yea?

He said that, yea.

 

I don't know why this is even an issue. I thought commuter was always an individual role. If he could commute someone else he'd be a jailor

[Zander?]

 

So you're calling Kat and Zass as W/W after yesterday's grilling? lol

It's prob retarded but I don't see the conclusions and pushes they're making together. As anything less than an internal and external contradiction, the sole purpose of which is to get me lynched over kat who has done nothing

 

 

Anyone who knows me, knows I like to Bus.

 

But those same people also know Im not the type of person to push  someone I talk to away from DM for out of game reasons if I was Scum!Zander.

 

Especially if she was a teammate.

 

I may be a dummy but Im not prick.

 

 

 

As you can see, I'm very clearly on my wolf game and should be crucified for that.

 

The bits in your mind saying wait, darthe countered or gave context to every point against him? Yeah, repress those. They're of no consequence.

 

Seems legit.

 

If Darthe wins this game as scum I will actually kill myself.

 

Scum!Darthe is not winning this game.

 

You just summed up the main reason I'm on the table

 

Yep only reason youre on the table is because were scared if youre Scum!Darthe you will beat us.

 

2 things:

 

If youre Town gtf over yourself. And own up to your game.

 

and

 

Regardless of your alignment this whole response is just a lot of lolololololol

[Cass]

Darthe, what's your call on Tiink?