Grim Frostbitten Scumlust -- MAFIA WINS

[Cory Caboose]

Sooh has actually been one of the more salient posters. She's commented on important things, her responses seem genuine, she's constantly progressing and I find her reads extremely believable.

 

Not going to throw that because "she looks like she's trying to seem villagery too much"

[Pralaya]

That's not really a great response.

Prove me wrong.

That's just a factual observation.

 

I have played like I always do and observe and say things that I do. I don't know how else to play. That you can never, ever read me right is not something that would make me change the way I play.

[dicetosser1]

im not a good sooh reader by any means  but she sounds different here then last couple of games where she was super obvious.

[Cory Caboose]

I'm not telling you to change the way you play.

 

I'm making a read on you because that's my job. Don't take it personally. I literally have a job to do.

[Pralaya]

I mean could you be a villager? Sure. There's 5 people on my "line" for a reason, because we have room for error and lord knows I ain't perfect.

 

That doesn't change that I have reasons to believe 11 players in this game are more likely to be a villager than you are.

And that is what my point was about - you convincing yourself that I am wolf and finding out reasons for it. Things that I pointed out how random they are

[dicetosser1]

 

 

What do you make out of her response that she finds her own post scummy? It is things like that that pings me.

This is one of those wolf giveaway traits I see all the time. Saying something like "It is things like that that ping me" shows that the player is very conscious of what they believe they "should" be pointing this. I remember a part of my case on BFG in spirited away was about something she said that was like "I think Sili is town because he is aggressive and I tend to think he's town when he's aggressive" or something like that. The problem was villagers don't think about what they are supposed to think when they are a villager and just think.

Theories like this that doesn't make any sense. It is easily something a town would also say. I don't see how you are connecting with the BFG case. This is just a direct statement of why I find sooh scummy

 

 

 

Pral you took umbrage at THIS post of corys. I then commented on the red bit that was the POINT of the argument he was making.  So how am i taking it out of context?

[Cory Caboose]

Literally every game this happens I've shown a full willingness to reassess on a read if I see evidence of otherwise.

 

Always completely willing.

 

It's an educated guessing game.

[Pralaya]

I'm not telling you to change the way you play.

 

I'm making a read on you because that's my job. Don't take it personally. I literally have a job to do.

If it is just that, it is fine.

If the same thing happens in every game you and i play, then something is not right

[Cory Caboose]

If my reads are random that's fine, but they've worked for me so far

 

Maybe I'm just lucky.

 

I see no reason that'll fail me today :D

[Pralaya]

 

 

Pral you took umbrage at THIS post of corys. I then commented on the red bit that was the POINT of the argument he was making. So how am i taking it out of context?

I am saying that the red bit would make sense if you read my entire conversation with darthe

[Cory Caboose]

 

I'm not telling you to change the way you play.

 

I'm making a read on you because that's my job. Don't take it personally. I literally have a job to do.

If it is just that, it is fine.

If the same thing happens in every game you and i play, then something is not right

Was reading you villager hard speccing in the BT tower game.

 

Don't always read you wolf man

 

And I've been wrong before, sure, but that doesn't mean I scrap trying to read you.

 

Got a job to do. Not psychic.

[Cory Caboose]

I'm also voting Tiinker and pushing him as my #1 wolf read so not like I'm tunneling you. You do you and I'll reassess the best I can.

[dicetosser1]

i did read it and i didnt say it didnt make sense.

 

Im saying it doesnt really say anything.

[Pralaya]

If my reads are random that's fine, but they've worked for me so far

 

Maybe I'm just lucky.

 

I see no reason that'll fail me today :D

 

Never with me, in my experience. No.

 

Maybe time to realise that i don't play like others and what works for others need not work with me.

[Cory Caboose]

Alright I literally can't stay awake longer

 

Leave any questions and I'll answer in the morning

[Cory Caboose]

 

If my reads are random that's fine, but they've worked for me so far

 

Maybe I'm just lucky.

 

I see no reason that'll fail me today :D

 

Never with me, in my experience. No.

 

Maybe time to realise that i don't play like others and what works for others need not work with me.

Still not psychic

 

Still don't like a handful of your posts for reasons I internally find legitimate

 

You don't get a free townread because you feel I misunderstand you

 

Not how any of this works.

[Cory Caboose]

Stop telling me that I'm wrong and start telling me why I'm wrong or we'll literally never get anywhere.

[Pralaya]

 

Still not psychic

 

 

More about learning from experience

[Pralaya]

Stop telling me that I'm wrong and start telling me why I'm wrong or we'll literally never get anywhere.

I already showed you a couple of posts why I find it random

[Nynaeve]

im not a good sooh reader by any means  but she sounds different here then last couple of games where she was super obvious.

 

I kinda disagree. if you recall, in the BT game, she started off sounding kinda weird and then worked up from there. Here she just sounded good from the get go. And I find it VERY hard to believe that she could carry that facade as scum (no offense Sooh <3). I feel pretty confident that she's town.

[Nynaeve]

Never with me, in my experience. No.

Maybe time to realise that i don't play like others and what works for others need not work with me.

 

Cory constantly adjusts the way he reads players on a case to case basis. The way he reads me is different from the way he reads dice, and the way he reads Tress and the way he reads pretty much anyone. It's not like he has a single minded way to read EVERYONE. I would think that's pretty apparent.

[Tiinker]

Caught up fully.

 

Where I'm at:

 

Hallia

Alanna

Sooh

 

Darthe

Katiora

 

Dice

Crusher

 

~~~ THE LINE ~~~

 

NotBob

Graendal

Lenlo

 

Pralaya

 

Tiinker

 

</zandermode>

 

Getting some sleep, let's talk this over tomorrow

 

Lol don't get this list really. On the other hand I'm not sure you would make such a bold list if you were mafia. In the overwatch game you at least waited until post D1 lynch before writing people's names in blue so maybe this is you playing "less carefully" since you don't have something to hide. Makes me feel better about Corny slightly.

[Nynaeve]

If you recall, I've already asked several players why they have Tiink as town, because I don't understand WHY. I asked Sooh, I asked Halli (and still waiting for a response).

 

Looking at what he posted so far?

 

 

When Cory and dice were asking each other if they were town, he jumped in and said that no one asked him, but he is town. Ok?

 

After I joke around with dice a bit, he posts saying Nyn/dice scum team. Serious or not? who knows. Doesn't explain.

 

Reiterates that I'm suspect. Doesn't say why. Serious or not? who knows. Never really comes back to any of this, whether serious or beating the grass.

 

Complains about people clearing each other so easily by just saying hello.

 

Makes a joke about how he was town in Overwatch (he was scum).

 

When Notbob calls him scum, he says no.

 

Complains about Hallia giving Kat a town read too easily. Let it be noted that he does this AFTER Sooh already brought it up and asked Hallia and Hallia has yet to show up to respond. The way I caught Tiinker in that one game where we played together where he was scum was his tendency to piggyback riding nudges on townies (for anyone who was in that game, I'm talking about how he used Sili's push on Cass to push Cass as well using his reasoning).

 

When Pral quoted Kat and says he agreed with Hallia that it looks like Kat is just trying to look busy, Tiink feels the need to point out it wasn't Hallia, it was him who said it. ACTUALLY, it was Sooh who said it and this just looks like him trying to get credit for repeating what Sooh initially brought up, hours later.

 

Says he's gonna policy scum read anyone that says "you know how I play", saying it reads like a cover up. Okay? Says he's gonna give Laine the benefit of the doubt. Okay?

 

When Hallia says that she likes Pral and that there is something she saw earlier that she liked but she doesn't wanna share, he nudges her to say what it is. 

 

Agrees with Pral's sus of Sooh. Once again getting behind someone else's nudge. First follows up on Sooh's nudge on Kat, but tries to get credit for bringing it up. Now follows up on Pral's nudge on Sooh. No original thought in the horizon.

 

Pokes at Sooh for having one of the most blend posts in the game, as a follow up to what Pral brought up.

 

Says he won't lynch cory today, when asked by him how he's reading our slot.

 

Adds that maybe blend is the wrong word to describe Sooh's post, but that Pral explained it perfectly and he has nothing to add. Shocking.

 

He makes a comment "don't think either of them come of as town to my eyes". Literally no idea who he's talking about.

 

Makes some comment about how everyone is getting personal and how we're better than this. Bla bla bla. 

 

Disapproves of dice town reading Hallia for calling out Laine on not providing new content and continuing the whinage. Adds that he's not on board with the way many people make their reads "around here" lol  Well sure, I could see how it would be inconvenient for him for townies to be clearing other townies. *snerk*

 

 

 

tldr, a lot of complaints about people town reading each other for silly reasons he's not down with (Halli town reading Kat, dice town reading Halli and so on). Not actually trying to find townies himself that I saw. Literally does nothing but piggy back other people's nudges. Tries to get credit to come off involved. A big ole' MEH all around.

 

So I ask again... why are people town reading Tiink?????

 

Because I went through all of his posts and I don't see one single thing that would make me think he could be town. Not ONE (and Sorry, Sooh, but him pointing out something you often think about yourself in games means nothing to me irt his alignment. Largely because you're not even the same person.... that I know of! lol ).

[Nynaeve]

Lol don't get this list really. On the other hand I'm not sure you would make such a bold list if you were mafia. In the overwatch game you at least waited until post D1 lynch before writing people's names in blue so maybe this is you playing "less carefully" since you don't have something to hide. Makes me feel better about Corny slightly.

 

 

Hello wolf

[Nynaeve]

For demonstration purposes.

 

 

 

 

 

Up through page 10

 

 

Sooh, can you do that thing you did last game? I'd appreciate it.

Will attempt to. 

 

Should we generate some talk and then I'll do something crazy?

 

Can't do the same this game though, or I'd just be copying a town game which I probably could do as a scumbag.

 

 

Honestly?  I like this response from Sooh.  Feels very transparent

 

 

 

let's see.... here's the list... 

 

666. Darthe - here
666. Tiinker - here
666. Hallia - here
666. Alanna ?
666. Pralaya - here? 
666. Crusher - ?
666. Katiora - here in body but absent in mind
666. Lenlo - here
666. Corny (Cory + Nyn) The corn has arrived... 
666. Graendals favourite - here
666. NotBob - no
666. Sooh - here
666. Dice - here

 

 

Honestly I've slept since the game started so i'm not sure if I remember who's not here yet lol 

Does Kat go through the trouble to do this as scum?  I don't think so (I mean, sure anyone can physically do it, it's not difficult, but I don't see scumKat going through the thought process to do so.)

 

 

 

 

Crusher you gonna play play or just harbor resentment in me playing to my WC - as I'm supposed to do - in another game
Lmk friend

I was planning on doing both. Dude I haven't been fooled in Mafia like you fooled me in years. Reason I'm actually excited to play again. Still want to never get fooled like that by you again. If you are suggesting I'm not playing? I did make a point about Kat not reading
the game. She said she was tired. Tired at DM? Nap capital of the interwebz? Should offer Nolder as a nap tutor . What you think about that. I mean I voted, unvoted and had a vote on the last vote count .

 

 

Crusher feels pretty villagery, Cory.  Not just this post, but I feel like he actually is excited to play again.

 

Almost forgot today was a short day. 24 hours as of this post to deadline and still in jokey phase.

 

[v]Alanna[/v]

 

I posit that Alanna is wolf. Why? No activity. Alanna is known to not like playing wolf. Ex: When I recruited her in GnD.

 

Problem with theory: 10 pages in, not alot of time to get in and post. Even Pral has posted is the thing though, so like... cmon?

 

Even with the short deadline, I wasn't bugging about the not posting, but as I said, when she did arrive tone would be a big thing for me there, and so far she's in the null to scum range.

 

Hallia what do you think of Crusher hun?

 

See above; I am getting villavibes.

 

 

eh?

 

Why not?

 

non committal post as a scumbag but looks like she's doing work?

 

Not saying she's scum. Just saying you're giving out town points very easily.

 

 

 

 

 

let's see.... here's the list... 

 

666. Darthe - here
666. Tiinker - here
666. Hallia - here
666. Alanna ?
666. Pralaya - here? 
666. Crusher - ?
666. Katiora - here in body but absent in mind
666. Lenlo - here
666. Corny (Cory + Nyn) The corn has arrived... 
666. Graendals favourite - here
666. NotBob - no
666. Sooh - here
666. Dice - here

 

 

Honestly I've slept since the game started so i'm not sure if I remember who's not here yet lol 

 

Does Kat go through the trouble to do this as scum?  I don't think so (I mean, sure anyone can physically do it, it's not difficult, but I don't see scumKat going through the thought process to do so.)

 

 

Uh why not? It's contributing without contributing. You're seeming pretty generous with some of your reads.